Holy shit, I think I just realized a direct and concrete way that I’ve personally experienced to how #Nostr completely changes the social incentives:

• Rage and hateful posts on Twitter get the most attention.

• Positive and happy posts on Nostr get the most zaps.

It really was just monetization all the time.

When attention is the currency, negativity and hate rise to the top because the platforms need people arguing.

When sats directly from peers are the currency, value rises to the top.

(Anyone else feel they’ve had this same experience?)

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Nostr makes us nice

Yeah, I much prefer positive feedback loop mechanisms to the current status quo of engagement-rage-bait shit that other systems use.

sounds right to me

Yes! I've mentioned this in my talks before, how Nostr incentivizes positivity. There's more people in the world that want to be positive than negative. In the grand scheme of things, positivity will win outright. I didn't think of the correlation with attention. I love it. Thank you!

Yeah I even know I’ve heard this before, but something about the way it just happened on my previous post struck me and it just clicked on another level. Feels like one of the many “ahHA” moments I had with Bitcoin. You know not, but sometimes you don’t *really* know it.

#zap are the game changer, few..

People follow incentives.

If we build things with the right incentives the world will be a better place.

No bit now I’m susceptible🤝

🫠💜

I think the primary difference here is that X is monetization funded by the entities providing content (or services) and nostr is monetization from the consumer. The latter is harder to sustain, but the incentives are directly aligned for a pro-consumer experience instead of offering a worse experience at the expense of platform growth.

Yeah, I agree, I think if you act like an arsehole here you're not likely to get much attention and certainly not likely to be zapped - every time I go back to the dead bird it's as clear as day the algos are there to deliberately piss you off

The way it should be 💜

Negativity is still going to get a lot of attention but probably not much zaps

Which makes all the difference.

Shouldn't be a surprise (and I have much more to say on the matter, just no time to write right now).

https://dergigi.com/2022/12/18/a-vision-for-a-value-enabled-web/

I agree, the incentives around engagement online are totally toxic. However, aren't emotions and experiences of darker aspects like hate and envy also part of the human experience?

I'm not suggesting one should seek to surround themselves with or propagate such. But I fear pretending like Nostr can be a panacea of good-vibes-only, or holding that such is easily possible for oneself, carries big risks of bypassing the Jungian shadow instead of integrating it. Perhaps the systems we build with their incentives and emergent properties are products of our current collective psychological evolutionary stage. New systems like Nostr can be a better next step toward a more integrated future, but we might be too ambitious to expect them to eliminate hate and such entirely without first confronting it within.

Anyway, looking forward to your longer-form writing. I just skimmed the linked article, so forgive any ignorance.

The community is every thing

Zapping is an act of generosity.

Generosity probably less common amongst the haters

An important point. Let's hope that it will be possible to keep using nostr for a long time without damaging algorithms taking over the relay business and turning them into something no one really wants

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I've never been famous,so idk

I think, personally, positive vibes on Nostr seem to be mandated for all Nostr users. Now yes, there are some bad apples, but I digress.

Is this healthy, or even possible? Always happy, all the time? Seems to me to carry a high degree of psychological bypassing...

Couldn’t agree more!

In platform worlds users feed off negativity because it’s cheap chaos with no value intended. Unfortunately, it helps create the endless scroll dopamine…

In the protocol world positivity rises from collective user’s incentivizing others from the experience they get to share. Helping the user find what they are looking for through growth engagement.

Transparency and ownership away from governed manipulated chaos is the freedom we are looking for.

#nostr | #asknostr | #techfreedom

I have been on Nostr for a few weeks now and I have nothing but good vibes. I am not big into social media but this platform is something special.

Before drawing broad conclusions, remember that we are specifically the kind of people who are put off by Twitter.

This may be more selection bias than mechanism design.

Always a possibility.

I can see what you are saying. I would say you are right. There isn’t a whole lot of negative energy here that’s for sure but is it because we are early adopters and naturally more open minded and positive or because of incentives to not be a**hole? 🤔

Exactly. I’ve been saying this since the beginning. nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs said it yesterday during the Nostr panel.

And to those who complain that there “isn’t much going on on Nostr” - the positive requires more effort to create than the negative.

See contemporary music - how much is sad, angry, whining, licentious? How many artists stay positive without being shallow?

It’s easier to comment and re-post and add snark than to be positive and sincere.

But that’s the house we want to build, and the house we want to live in.

I’m not sure if it’s an aspect of monetization itself, or if due to self-selection bias the people on Nostr are just more positive. But the logic makes sense and I guess we will see in time.

Yeah I can’t decide either, seems like it may just work out that way though. At least to a greater degree.

We'll be choosing our own algorithms in time. That will be the ultimate piece towards the free market for the social media attention.

Yes, even though I ignore it, it follows you around on the legacy social media

it's because twitter meets the interests of the advertisers, from who they depending, not their users. Users are only a tool to reach the money of the advertisers

Nostr depend only of their users, so only interests of the users will prevail

🧡

I definitely noticed the profoundly different vibes across both platform timelines but for some reason I never made this connection. Simple, beautiful, and makes perfect sense.

Hopefully this will also be a behaviour that will be mirrored in real life when we move to a sound money standard and strengthen P2P relationships / transactions.

Dam, you people only care about money and it's sad

Don't hate on a nigger, he's got chile support to pay.

🤣

It’s not about making money, it’s about giving it.

I’m almost always net negative in sats on #Nostr. If you read closely what I said instead of projecting your issues with other people you might have noticed. Hope you have a better day though 😁👍🏻

The fact that Nostr care so much about sending and receiving money is sad and my point.

Social Media was just fine before with Likes and shares but now, it's too jewish

If you don’t want to be the product, then you pay. Giving 1¢ for a funny or helpful comment is a great thing. Maybe you should consider why you have a negative association with money and where it comes from.

Where does it come from? The Bible and Jewish Power.

How is it a great thing to give someone a penny for a post?

Likes and Shares are way more meaningful than a quick act of receiving a penny lol

“The man who would sell his soul for a nickel is the one who hates money the most.” - Ayn Rand

Better communist then jew? Is that your point ?

I care more about storing value…😊

Is this a function of the incentive mechanism or is it a result of the general mindset of the specific audience Nostr attracts?

Does one exclude the other? It's both.

I agree

This has been the theory from the start- change the algo from incentivizing attention to incentivizing value. 2nd order effects are that positive, beneficial posts rise to the top.

nostr:npub1unmftuzmkpdjxyj4en8r63cm34uuvjn9hnxqz3nz6fls7l5jzzfqtvd0j2 did a great podcast with nostr:npub14mcddvsjsflnhgw7vxykz0ndfqj0rq04v7cjq5nnc95ftld0pv3shcfrlx on this topic

Yeah and I know it’s been talked about many different times. Even I’ve talked about it. But something about the way it clicked earlier just made it much more real for some reason.

This makes a lot of sense. 👊🫂⚡️

💯

It's a little bit an indirect variant of the the "proof-of-work to prevent spam" principle. When hate, provocation and antagonistic statements are free, a platform will be spammed with it as this triggers people. When there is a mechanism that shows the real appreciation of a post that is connected to real proof of work value (and not a free "thumbs up"), the valuable posts and topics will shine more.

This is It 🎯💯

Awesome! Great this app is more for the positive and happy posts… am kinda tired of all the FB, IG, TikTok bullshit 👊👊👊

Bingo. I describe this in my upcoming Reason essay on Nostr :)

The thought going through my mind when starting the app just now was about how I like to zap for content I'd like to see more of on nostr. Fitting to see this comment.

This is the way

Nah you do got a point

“It was really just *INCENTIVIZATION all the time.”

now, it is quality of content rather than quantity of views

It seems to be the case. Maybe in a few more years everyone will know for certain. 🤔

Exacto, en #nostr es solo alegría, nadie pelea y todos nos llevamos bien 💜🫡👏👏👏

Yes! 🤙 Part of why I went #onlyzaps early on.

I wonder if this great dynamic will hold up, or there will be some sort of “Eternal September” at some point and it’ll all go as most things do…

#Nostr is the cream.

There’s a great book by a Wharton professor on what emotions make viral content it’s actually interesting. I recall there’s two axes one is positive/negative the other is energy of the emotion (ie sad is low energy and negative angry is high energy and negative, wonder is high energy and positive) Obviously corporations can mess with whatever they want. Worth reading either way

yes 😁

The biggest story around Nostr isn’t censorship resistance.

It’s the total reshaping of the incentive structure on the Web. The platform silos currently hold most of the power, but Nostr will shift it to users and content creators. This will become more obvious as we build out the tools for users and content creators. Zaps are just the starting point. Exciting times ahead.

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LMAO, it actually is. If you want to jerk each other off with zaps and the like, the fediverse works just as good.

it’s a step in the right direction, no doubt about it. Although I feel like Nostr may be treated like tictok, where people act like idiots in front of a camera in the hopes of monetizing it.

And while I haven’t seen any behavior like this myself, it’s logical to assume this platform could be utilized in the same way.

I am glad the likes/dislikes option went bye bye, since that’s not really a valid

metric for anything.

People can act like idiots in front of a camera in the hopes of monetizing it, but nostr doesn't care.

Nostr isn't a platform. It's a protocol.

It’s the exact same thing. It’s ok if you don’t want to acknowledge it, but it is. Here, they’re just not putting video to it. 🤷🏻

Not the first time I have stumbled across a post from someone who is obviously looking for attention.

https://zap.stream/ is video on nostr

platforms are not the same thing as protocols

youtube is not the same as https

I'm not looking for attention, I'm just telling you that you're wrong. But go on Queen!

I didn’t address that part of your original rant because there was no reason to. Not everyone is a pedantic prick. I know Nostr is a protocol and not a platform, otherwise the apps we use would be called, wait for it. Nostr. Are you happy now that I have acknowledged you? Do you feel seen?

Go back to your mom’s basement, kid, I have no time for your nonsense today.

Knowing that it is a protocol, why are you worried about Nostr becoming like TikTok? Your worry about people acting like idiots in front of cameras is more about the people using tech that incentives them to act so. But again, Nostr does not care.

JFC, dude. I said it’s possible for Nostr to be used in the same fashion. If you’re receiving zaps then you are effectively being paid for your post. Pointing out that this is the same thing people do on tictok, is not hard to grasp.

Half the reason people are on tictok, is to gain followers, the other half is to then monetize those followers. The exact same thing can be done here. You invest a lot of time into building a following that you then begin monetizing by posting notes you know they will like and will zap.

Understand now?

Your concerns are still about people, not Nostr. Understand now?

I don’t think you understand what you’re trying to say. 😂

You know none of this will go away, right? Your attitude and ineptitude on display.

I’m starting to think you’re hung up on the fact that I called them idiots, which makes me think you may be one of them and would explain why you have been so defensive about it.

You’re harping on one aspect of the conversation without taking the rest of it into account.

I don’t care about that. I’m pointing out that your worry is not actually about Nostr

Also why does every one of your notes need to throw an insult? I’ve been simply replying to your notes, but you’re kind of being an asshole unnecessarily. No idea why you think that kind of attitude pays off in the long run.

Really, that’s what you come up with? You seem to have a short memory. In either case, I’ve given you more time than you deserved and will be playing you on the blocked list.

Take care, I’m sure you’ll find someone else to argue with today.

Good luck

Valuable pov. Will keep it in mind.

🎯🎯🎯🎯

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Sounds 💯 % true to me.

Choose your network, constructive or destructive

Literally first moment here.

My theory was “LOVE will ultimately prove to be the only currency that matters.” 🙏🫂

I’ll zap to that.

I don’t think so. Some negative content can be valuable. Value isn’t negative or positive because value is subjective. I value posts making fun of statists whereas others might hate it. I think what nostr does do is allow people to connect with those who have similar values. A lot of monero fans like to shit on bitcoin. Bitcoiners think it’s negative but monero fans don’t. They would zap each other on those “negative” posts if monero could integrate into nostr 😂

You should welcome criticism. That's the crucible for improvement. Assume Monero is a complete dead-end, if nothing else, those Monero reply guys helped put pressure on Bitcoiners to bring more privacy solutions to shut them up. Win/win imo.

To your last sentence, Nostr already has a couple Monero integrations:

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/nostril/#/home/

https://github.com/retrnull/garnet

Where did I say that I don’t welcome criticism?

Where did they say you don't?

How does zapping a note with monero maintain privacy?

You can see any post on Nostr and tip anyone Monero in a single click as long as they have a Monero address somewhere on their profile. Nostr network doesn't know the Monero tip happened. No communication with relays about it by default.

Yeah that’s not a zap nice try tho

You're literally tipping a specific note. You can even click any tip on your client history to bring you to that specific note you tipped.

What would you say makes it different from a zap besides default public display? (There are tip options on Garnet to be less private and show some info on the note itself. It's just not default.)

Several Nostr clients like Amethyst already have the exact same option to "zap" a note you see with no trace on Nostr.

You should just try it out and see for yourself then come back and tell me why I'm wrong still if you want.

There's an Amethyst fork with Monero, now.

I’m hopeful about nostr, but I feel like this is rose coloured glasses during the honeymoon period before it becomes mainstream

There was similar positive sentiment during the early Internet when it was just the early adopters, and then we saw a gradual shift as the mainstream came online

Maybe it will be different with nostr, decentralisation, and changed incentives, but I remain cautious yet hopeful

It’s very possible, but I want to caveat that I don’t think it will mean negative content goes away. People very often identify with others based on their common frustration or dislike of other people or problems.

However I don’t think that natural tendency is a problem, it’s the feedback of algorithms designed to amplify it, specifically because of the engagement levels and the attention economy. Every platform desperately needs to trap users for as long as possible to monetize.

So in my mind it’s less about solving negativity, which as others pointed out is useful from time to time, but more about removing a feedback loop for endless negativity spiraling and division, while at the same time providing an incentive for positive content and directly helping each other.

I always remind myself to never discount the power of a feedback loop that pushes us 1% into a worse direction consistently over long periods of time, and thus to never discount the immense power in having a 1% benefit consistently over that same period instead.

The right incentives, even subtly, have the potential to have enormous change. At least in my thinking.

if you don't like the eventual maintstream adaptation of nostr, fork it.

fixed.

#value4value is the paradigm shift behind your observation, nostr:nprofile1qqstnem9g6aqv3tw6vqaneftcj06frns56lj9q470gdww228vysz8hqpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqzrthwden5te0dehhxtnvdakqz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcjgxv3n.

The people with the biggest accounts get the most zaps. Has little to do with the content and everything to do with follower count.

Otherwise, relatively unknown npubs that always posted positive content would be drowning in sats. But they aren't.

Natural laws still apply. Resources aggregate and distribute.

When you got into bitcoin correlates to how much bitcoin you have.

It can't be any other way without being corrupt.

Has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Not with that attitude it doesn't.

You have never increased the signal in my feed.

OK. Bye.

Which is why, all things equal, you should zap the smaller accounts that say something insightful or offer value because it will stand out more and have a greater incentivizing effect.

But I agree with both of you — Twitter drags you down into the cesspool of paranoia, while Nostr clearly has different incentives. Don’t think it’s so much “positivity” as saying something everyone is thinking but hasn’t yet articulated to themselves.

And that’s how it should be.

Yeah, I doubt the big accounts even look at zaps. Basically giving $5 tips to millionaires. I'm not against it, but the idea that they notice or care is laughable.

Especially when, no offense to any Nostr Client Dev the zap notification systems kind of get silly at times :/ .

I hope that "incentivizing effect" will also mean that zapped post will remain longer into the future (not be deleted a la "Delete * from posts where zaps = 0") and be used for AI/knowledge base training in the future.

actually, maybe that's how proganda works. but at least with zaps, you will run out of zaps on your favorite topics and so your personal influence machine will never be an energizer bunny.

Katy Perry sang about this

" Come on baby show 'em what their worth, as you zap across the Nostrverse, make 'em go 'ah ah ah'..."

It is a well-known phenomenon that people prefer to put their money where lots of other money already is. It feels like a safe investment.

And, as you note, people aren't only enthusiastic about positive notes. They're also enthusiastic about insightful, uncanny, or revelatory notes, which are often "negative" in tone.

That isn't reflected in zap statistics because the follower count is by far the strongest pull-factor, as visibility is required to receive a zap. We would have to analyze zaps/views, in order to determine a correlation.

Same as we can't analyze how influential someone's writing is without accounting for the effect the writing has on the subsequent writing of those who have viewed it. Some npubs may be very high-visibility, but have little influence, and vice-versa.

nostr:npub1m3xdppkd0njmrqe2ma8a6ys39zvgp5k8u22mev8xsnqp4nh80srqhqa5sf you were talking about how we could analyze this, right?

similar phenomenon in music too. Some of the biggest artists by record sales had relatively little influence while some niche ones with cult followings had massive.

But I do think nostr due to lack of algos and centralized thumbing the scale is already way better at surfacing interesting posts from anyone than the legacy social platforms.

Things tend to be popular because they offend nobody, not because they inspire anybody.

Niche music shifts the artistic Overton window and then more-popular musicians adopt a sanitized version for the masses.

You can observe the same thing on here. Some npubs are unpopular, but constantly shift the window and have enough readers to demand a response of some kind. The responses to their notes often get more play than their notes do, but they're effectively driving the conversation through novelty.

That could be mapped. You'd see waves of responses and speech patterns rippling out from their notes.

That would also catch air replies, by the way. You would be able to see the connection through the content of the note.

Nostr is actually much more centralized than legacy platforms, in practice, as there is no mitigating effect to counter the name recognition some npubs have when they arrive here, and so many people are only here to read what some particular person or persons writes. It's mostly a collection of fan clubs.

Discoverability of material is an effect of overt human reactions, so that creates a permanent vacuum to the same handful of npubs, as they have fan clubs who react as a sort of homage ritual.

I see some of that, but if you use the protocol all the time, you end up interacting with a lot of worthwhile characters of whom you’ve never heard. (As I’m sure you know better than most.)

Yes. I'm my own discoverability algo. 😁

I don’t think it alters very much about any other dynamics of the network effect. So anything about size of reach and amount of engagement/zaps would probably remain true for pretty much all of social to varying degrees (depending on how that platform specifically amplifies certain content vs natural network effects.)

I only think it’s alters the “balance of power” so to speak between stuff that people find valuable, and stuff that keeps them looking for the next dopamine bump reinforced by centralized platforms. Value also doesn’t mean “always positive” either even though it sounds like I sort of equate them in the OP.

I only mean to point out that the incentives seem to change significantly when it’s direct micropayments from peers guiding the content, vs large platforms tailoring content to prevent people from logging out.

A lot of zapping just seems to be a form of worship detached from a particular content. They're enthusiastic about the npub, not the note.

Why is it that a community so passionate for decentralization keeps zapping valuable sats to those who obviously have plenty?

Because they aren't so passionate for decentralization. They just wanted a new king.

🤐

Any assessment aside, you realize that this has nothing to do in either way with decentralization right?

Decentralization is about not having middle men between you and who you want to speak to, or the ideas you want to hear. It's about actually having your own control or direction of your own consumption of content or social interactions. Decentralization doesn't possibly mean that every single person or every project or every business will all get the exact same engagement, number of customers, or outcome from their situation.

What you are suggesting is a value to strive for is "equity" or equality of outcome. Which is a socialist ideal, not one of free choice and decentralization. This is a simple reality of social beings. Literally all social beings actually. This has nothing to do with #nostr or #bitcoin or even humans.

> “This is a simple reality of social beings”

Yes. This simple reality that we naturally “follow” or “amplify” what others are doing is indeed a hallmark of sociality. This is a centralizing force that we leverage to learn from and align with each other.

Centralization is what we do well, almost too well. Centralization creates bigger societies and feeds bigger government and bigger business.

No. I am not suggesting equality of outcome. Indeed, equality can only be measured and outcome can only be enforced by the same centralizing forces. Not this.

To be clear, I am pointing out the obvious fact that (as is human nature) followers will always prefer to amplify the signal that others are following. Having less to do with quality of content than influencer power, this IS a centralizing force. No bones about it.

I have no solution or desire to define or impose fairness. I am simply pointing out the irony of “decentralization” as a desired feature in a social network.

It ain’t easy.

The knee-jerk equity argument had such limp energy.

Almost insulting. Mostly pathetic. But I trust that “the guy who has read more on bitcoin than anyone else” is also smart enough to know better. Prolly just being lazy.

It has everything to do with indifference to decentralization, if the money in the system goes to rich celebrities as homage, rather than developers, creators, and service providers as payment for goods or services rendered.

Then the producers go to those celebrities for income, turning them into supplicants to centralized monetary dispersal, rather than entrepreneurs in a free market, selling directly to consumers and competing on quantity, quality, and price.

If the money is centralized, then the power is also centralized because the decision-making is centralized.

Yup. Just like the mining pools also… right?

💯

i don't think it is about money. it is about 'vibes'. hateful people are seeking (attracting) hateful people outside. happy people are attracting the happy on nostr. everyone is content in their 'vibe chamber'. if someone only knows hate, they will stay on twitter just to feel alive. because most people have forgotten how to be happy. it does not compute.

Incentives matter.

Money is our base vote in society. It rewards value the moment it is spent and builds cooperation. We buy things that benefit us.

Social media "likes" are an expression of opinion (agreement or disagreement). Likes reward things that grab our attention and build tribes (segmentation advertising). We spend time on things that (we think) define us.

It is easier to define what we are not than what we are. Thus, the reward of the negative on social media.

Trolls under the bridge on twitter... and on the bridge!

Pretty much merry folk on Nostr, or at least able to put together a coherent sentence and not be afraid of the 140char limit and use their words and feelings, more liberally.

Having said that, not enough of the smaller known npubs that post positive things nonstop are getting the attention they deserve I feel. They probably stay for the calm and nice vibes here but as for Nostr as whole zapping them? We could do way better.

There's also the reality that Nostr has a higher barrier to entry at the moment. That has a natural filtering effect. Consequently, I suspect that currently the average IQ of Nostr is higher than the average IQ of Twitter.

Very very VERY true! 🥰

This is the place

As instagram vs nostr.

There you serve the algo and hope to reach audience.

Here you serve audience.

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This is the way

I think part of it may be that we're building a new system to try and make things better. Twitter just seems to complain and fight about the old broken system, there is no future there.

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Pay for content really is bitcoin's killer app

Zaps might incentive fakeness. I am cautiously optimistic but it remains to be seen the true outcomes.

The possibility is definitely there. Not being cynical, just pointing that out.

the fact that its emergent and wild is interesting enough for me to stick with it in lieu of alternatives.

kill yourself

Now now

No zaps for doot

Here's my theory.

People on Twitter adapt their message to fit within the constrainsts of the character limit.

As a result of the compacted and cryptic message with little space to express nuances, readers can be predicted jump to wrong conclusions, which generate unnecessary side-debates.

Here on Nostr we have the *space* to include the nuances that we have in mind and it is far easier to avoid misreadings.

Another part of this is that people on average would refuse to zap a post they are angry at xD

So it's an inclination in the right direction, fully.

I've never zapped someone being a dick.

Exactly, you might like or retweet stuff that makes you unhappy (because it might be important) but it seems very unlikely you'll zap it, exchange of currency only seems to happen on posts that make you feel good, no other social media platform has a metric for "positive value" brought by a post, just metrics that measure "want others to see this" and "agreement"

Yes and not just because of the money

I think twice about listing on nostr because you can’t easily delete it…

For now…

What goes on nostr stays on nostr

Even anons don't zap deadly accidents.

They definitely do zap whores though.

Zaps are a huge game changer, but we'll need community too for virtue to arise.

Based Niels being based, as per usual.

Although its too early to tell, since its mostly dominated by the top accounts. comparing the "most zapped" feed to the "24h trending" feed should help determine whether this is true.

Yesterday the most zapped notes were about Venezuela, and the trending where mostly Bitcoin Conference, with a concrete note about Venezuela. So there is a different signal.

Ya i'm not sure whether this will eventually show any correlation, especially due to human nature's tendency to give negative posts more attention. However, if it turns out that users are more likely to zap positive content then this could help those posts trend higher and potentially displace the negativity 🤷‍♂️ we'll see!

Regarding simping for celebrities as positive content we should encourage more of and on-site journalism from plebs as negative content we should actively discourage is perverse.

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Agreed and to add, it hit me during last weeks 2024 Bitcoin Nashville conference watching remotely online, with the sophistication level of AI assisted compute power now available in the hands of scammers, traditional social media platforms across all non-PUB/PRIV key platforms are obsolete… if your not on #Nostr, well then….

nicely put! can you help me close this gap in my thinking -

web2 discovery mechanisms served content which held the users attention the longest. long app usage times = more ad revenue.

in nostr, positive and happy posts get the most zaps - i hear you

so does it mean that we were following the chasing the wrong metrics all along?

i suppose crypto’s ability to incentivise sustainable hyper local growth means we no longer need to scale to a billion users for every app?

hyper local sustainable economies is the way?

Hyper-trust circles with value aligned people are the way

Web2 made too many mistakes. Twitter is TV, not a social network

Full: https://valuesdao.io/mistakes-web2-social-made/

I think it's the lack of algorithm that does that, more than anything else. I've noticed that Facebook seems to show my posts primarily to those most likely to be angered by them, rather than to those most likely to appreciate them. And then because the algorithms are also built "the rich get richer" style (those with more interaction stay higher in the feed) that feeds into itself.

I miss the time-based feeds (esp. on Pinterest) that allowed little-known content to be discovered if you logged on at the right time to see it.

There's also something to be said about no take-backs. If you post it, you better be comfortable with it forever!

Completely!

Zapping incentive model doesn’t incentivize trolling or negativity unless it’s some neat shitposting 😜

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I see what you’re doing here… you’re just trying to get more zaps by adding positive value 🤔

This folks, was my nostr moment, just makes perfect sense.

Very high probability that nostr will win. We will make it. 🙌

This folks, was my nostr moment, just makes perfect sense.

Very high probability that nostr will win. We will make it. 🙌

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I find my most Zapped posts are when we dunk on twitter and celebrate Nostr 🤣

So kinda?

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best analysis ❤️

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I predicted this when i first heard of nostr

A challenge will be that it could become a kind of onlyfans though.

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I totally agree😄

One user with split personalities when using either apps lol

Humans find the shortest route to value ! Zaps is like #Panama canal ..

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