Bitcoiners should be embarrassed that the largest global conference that represents this industry has turned into a giant Trump rally. Hitching your cart to a malignant narcissist is a very bad look, and it eclipses all of the hard apolitical work that has been done up to this point and still needs to be done to further adoption.
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Btc conferences where shit IMO, so this is just a little bit further into the pig sty...
We are indeed embarrassed 🙋♂️
Hard agree.
Counterpoint. If hyperbitcoinization is to occur, we know the politicians are going to hop on the bandwagon. And unfortunately the world power dynamic is such that the US president is the most powerful and important leader in the world. If not Trump then who? If not now then when?
This guy gets it
Bukele saw a ground-up movement happening and rode the slow wave of bitcoin adoption in El Salvador by bringing it to the people first. This guy is charging $60K for a photo-op. They are not the same.
Didn’t say they are the same. What can I say, grifters gonna grift. But bitcoin is money for enemies and politicians. Trump wears shoes too.
Sure does!
He's always been a grifter. People also need to choose to pay for that kind of shit and, if they do it, that's their problem.
#Bitcoin is for enemies
Bitcoin is a stumbling network of people through the dark. This is our communities first time tripping over this type of thing.
It will look crazy and convoluted..with so many people hitching their wagon to the political post. It's just the first step, and it won't look like this forever.
Sure hope so!
I agree. Thankfully not going to it. But I’ll love my Lazer eyes foreva.
Other way around, he’s hitching his cart to ours because we’re winning. Take the W.
He’s also hitching his cart to NFTs and unmasked fascism, so much winning.
what are your examples of his "unmasked fascism?"
genuinely curious
I have a feeling that his connections to Thiel will in fact lead to an alarming strengthening of corporate/State collusion. But I'm not clear on why Trump gets the F word and Dem politicians don't 🤷♀️
Because fascism has a definition that is different from socialism, despite what many have been led to believe.
We’re overdue for new -ism’s. I prefer nostrism 🤙
I don't think anyone questions that fascism is different from socialism.
It seems to me that we need a new name for the what's happening now, whereby the power of the state is used to support but is also subsumed into (global) corporate interests. I think Mussolini's idea was govt taking control of communications, industry, etc and there's certainly been plenty of that (Biden admin actions on social media companies as just one example) but the incredible lobbying power of private interests so that corporations essentially take over the govt - that's, what, corporatism? And Trump - rhetoric notwithstanding -seems as willing to go in that direction as Biden has been.
If WikiLeaks was kicking the hornet's nest, this is like bringing along a rowdy swarm of honey-covered NFT-scam-shilling bears 🫠
Honey badger don't care, but not the worst idea to stay out of that mess
It was bound to happen
Say it how it really is: Trump is a ruthless murderer
It's the other way round - the us election has become a(nother) bitcoin Trojan horse operation.
If trump brings bitcoin fully into the global financial system without the decade of conflict I was expecting before government capitulated, then anything else he might do is completely irrelevant - and anyone who cares about humanity should root for him and do anything in their power to bring about his election
That’s quite a big if though…
I think if US officially hodls bitcoin as a reserve asset that would substantially establish it as part of the global financial system forever, and that doesn't feel far fetched at all.
Just as good and a bonus would be if he actively advocates to protect its free / private use - and reverses the trend to criminalization etc, and again that doesn't feel unlikley if he gets in.
I don’t disagree that if he speeds up adoption that would be a good thing, but it is an if. And, since mass adoption is a when and not an if, are the side effects of Trump as president and everything that goes along with that worth increased adoption speed?
I don’t know the answer but I think it’s a valid question.
Correct The best candidate on btc is Chase Oliver #Libertarian
Trump will put Jaime Dimon in on Commerce and some Citigroup guy in on Treasury CBDC COMING (as nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgprdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucnfw33k76twwpshy6ewvdhk6qg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2aq93vhd7 would type)
After this we deserve whatever comes our way as an industry in the US.
Not only disappointing but also disgusting.
There’s many bitcoiners who can go fuck themselves.
No masters, no rulers. However, most are still stuck in the paradigm of needing a strong man. This is somewhat unavoidable. Orange man, whether he realizes it or not is powerless over the orange coin.
But which came first, the Orange Man or the Orange Coin?
nostr:npub1sn0wdenkukak0d9dfczzeacvhkrgz92ak56egt7vdgzn8pv2wfqqhrjdv9 is the only Keynote speaker that uses Bitcoin. That’s 1 of 7.
So, after a spring of continuous bad things coming from the government against bitcoin, a leading presidential candidate supports bitcoin and that’s bad? Maybe this should be taken as a small victory instead.
Trump may be narcissist and everything, but he talks about good things and brings hope for a lot of people both in America and abroad.
Majority of the interest in BTC will always be ‘number go up’ and anything that rounds-up bulls for the next stampede is exciting, like the 2015-2016 consensus conferences in NYC.
Trump is just in it for the votes, and he has strategically aligned himself to capitalize on a growing industry with pro energy policies, the audience aligns in this case and BTC 2024 becoming a Trump rally is the best case scenario for everyone because it will bring the most eyes to this space.
But this is just my opinion, and I have lots of brain damage 😅
I still just act like all Bitcoiners are cypherpunk cryptoanarchist, and when one says they like Trump I laugh like it's a good joke.
This thread post and the comments are amazing 🤙🏿⚡️🧡
Everything Trump touches turns to shit.
I’m much more interested in the avalanche of Bitcoin and crypto super PAC cash being aimed at Elizabeth Warren’s acolytes this cycle. They are about to face the music. Will they learn from their bloody noses?
Just because I don’t like Trump doesn’t mean I also don’t like Warren. 😏
No matter what you think of Trump, the additional news exposure he's generated has more people talking about BTC...
That's a good thing...
BUt tRuMp iS oRaNGe
It's a shitcoin conference dude. Nothing new happening. Those are always bigger
“There is no such thing as bad publicity” - that’s the line I’m going with despite agreeing with you…
If you sleep with whores you’re bound to get std.
STD is an anagram of TDS. And TDS goes both ways, don’t it?
IMHO those BTC conferences have become highly over priced for the average none pilled person and or small company the early years were the best..
Yes. This move is sure to degrade the conference experience.
But the time was always going to come when the bitcoin and political worlds collided and, if we look at all of the possible combinations, I think we’d be hard-pressed to find one we’d like.
Yeah, they say that every year about something
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I hear ya, but have faith that Bitcoin will enlightened and convert everyone over time. 🙏🏻
Thanks for the shout-out on your show! 🤙
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I spoke to Satoshi today and he said that he has serviere face injuries from facepalming so much
I love it. Creates enough tribal friction for non-thinking progressives. A future with less financially powerful progressives is a bright future.
True, but ain’t these conferences the right place for this kind of clowns and other #bitcoin and #freedumb pimps?
"He's totally changed! Not a grifter anymore!"
* checks internet *
30,000 bitcoiners will be there in Nashville who disagree with you.
Different strokes for different folks.
Bitcoin is being taken over by the system. My bet for freedom is on Monero.
Wait till Trump realises all that coke he bought online can be traced back to his Coinbase account…
GFY faggot
Excellent point. Well reasoned.
But FYI this isn’t twitter, name calling is not the way to make friends and influence people.
#bitcoin #nottwitter
lmao you must be new here
Or, I’ve done a good job of curating my experience to not include racists, bigots or trolls and with no underlying algorithm to push them into my feed I’ve been isolated from their comments.
#Nostr
why are you talking to me then?
anyone who supports war for any circumstance can go fuck themselves. I also will call them a faggot.
Lapse in judgement?
First thing I see on your profile commie faggot
You probably support the war in Ukraine too right?
Totalitarian scumbags going to get us all killed
Politicians trying to get the favor of bitcoiners is a sure sign that we're winning. We're no longer niche, and the conference means less and less. Spooks on stage, everywhere.
This. Conference hasn't meant shit since the pandemic started. The smart people will coordinate online and in smaller groups. Super spreader events are for retards
Oh, sorry, I did not see you are a virus believer, I would have started replying to you on a different note. Well, the world is much much more insidious and evil than you think. This is all I can say at this point.
That may be the case, but in-person events are the heart of bitcoin’s adoption. Take it from someone who has run meetups for 2 years. We can’t sit home afraid of a glorified flu.
If youre just now realizing how defunct The Bitcoin mag, you haven't been paying attention.
I have to say I couldn’t agree more. Bitcoin is just a tool, a way to lure people to Trump’s side. Now, all politicians do that, and I do not like it yet I accept it. Quite a different thing is to take part in his propaganda.
Opt out. Mono party won’t save us
To properly kick in the heads of the Federal Reserve at the most opportune time then you need someone to give Bitcoin some exposure. Who better than one of the most influential people in the world?
Do be a butt hurt Bitcoiner. Bitcoin is for everyone even if you don't like them.
He is not a narcissist. You are a negro zionist faggot.
At the moment he is way bigger than bitcoin. So he does not use bitcoin for popularity. He uses himself to increase popularity of bitcoin.
Hey retard: Trump is a Zionist
Again you and your things at face value.
But it does not matter because these are just some trigger words I use to call somebody I don't know at all, just because he calls other people unsuitable cliche names. Especially that word narcissist is a fake word invented by the Matrix to suppress people that rightiously and adequately are proud of something as they should be. Anyone using this word in any context is an unaware slave of the Matrix playing into its hands.
Ok
Who’s going to tell him all words are made up 👀
#bitcoin #nottwitter
They're not. A word is either god given or devil given. Nothing in between.
So by that logic either god made them up or the devil made them up. Ergo they were made up.
Presumably based on the arguments so far narcissist is a word from the devil? If that’s your stance it that would be very fitting because it would probably be an apt adjective for him.
Since we seem to be heading towards an etymology lesson maybe you would care to enlighten us about some other words from the devil so we can steer clear of them.
Hey retard, Palestine doesnt exist
Can you both shut the fuck up or take this to a different thread? PV 🤙
Hey liberal retard, Palestine Doesnt exist and Trump is gonna dethrone the pedophile biden administration, got a problem with it, liberal derranged faggot?
LMFAO a school in a terrorist run plot of land, hilarious
No one needs schools where they rape children and teach them that rape is good and pedophilia is good, fuck islam
FAFO retarded pedo terrorist supporter https://imgur.com/Dmmsy0a
REEETARRRDD ALERT
SANDNIGGERS FAFO https://imgur.com/undefined
Islam the religion of Pe(dophiles)ace
You’re muted now. Go scream into the void.
Since this retarded faggot is too scared to respond to me, Ill just continue shit proving how horrible the terrorist state of palestine is, suck my balls
Narcissist
noun
a person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves.
Based on this definition I don’t think calling Trump a narcissist is incorrect.
Using racial and sexual slurs to strengthen your argument doesn’t make you look good. It just presents you as angry and petty.
#bitcoin #nottwitter
It is incorrect. Anyone who achieves anything and does not demand and get so much as appreciation from the benefactors is an excellent product of the slave machine of the Matrix/Romans.
Title narcissist only suits a person who seriously believes and loudly and stubbornly tries to convince others that something he did is an achievement while in reality it is obviously the opposite or at most mediocre and insignificant. I have never met such examples and don't beliebe they exist.
Basically, being proud is a virtue. Any word that puts being proud in a negative light is a lie in the word itself. Need to erase these words from the language.
Pretending to be proud about an unworthy thing or a thing you stole is a lie. Any additional synonyms are an unnecessary complication. Any unnecessary complication is a work of a devil, in these times usually under a skin of the Matrix.
So if you want to say that Trump is a lier, say it. Because there is no such thing as narcissist.
Bitcoin doesn't care.
However, all movements get co-opted or are attempted to be co-opted as they grow (bitcoin has been through this before). Reinforce the rules and things will work out. Steady lads.
What you don't understand is that everything is built on violence. Apolitical does not exist. You can have your bitcoin all you want. If I and my political guys decide that we want to bury you by using muscle and guns, we do it and it is done. You can take your bitcoin to another world and I will not miss it.
So while bitcoin is a good and useful tool, you need violent (physically and mentally) guys, many of them politicians, on your side, too.
People like you keep saying this and I'm still alive with my Bitcoin
Honey badger says gfy
That means you are not bad enough to not be. But it also means that you do not know what you are missing or what you are risking. That is because when we meet in real life and you see that you own a better car and I say I have no bitcoin, you believe that you are richer and that you live a better life. Things that are important don't come at face value. Sad but true in all societies that allow themselves to domesticate animals.
Not reading this, faggot. I'm alive because killing me is more dangerous than letting me live.
And when I die, it will probably be because of someone too dumb to understand this
The first thing you need is focus. Concentrate. Perfection of alegories is unimportant. The topic is polititians, violence as foundation of everything, and how all that is not unimportant for bitcoin. Nobody cares how come polititians did not come for you yet, and how you "would win against their brut force".
I won't win against their brute force. Bitcoin will. Gfy
That's fine, bitcoin will. But you will save yourself some nerve cells and grey hair if you do not worry about Trump helping bitcoin and vice versa. But they are your cells to burn, of course.
I don't care what Bitcoin and Trump do to each other, I care what happens to Digit and the kids in Gaza
Why? Doesn't mean you have to worship the guy or agree with him on everything. It's clearly better to support politicians who are pro bitcoin. We are a large enough cohort and many of us are single issue voters, so we can force all of them to become pro bitcoin because they'll never win otherwise.
I've noticed the conference has become more and more political. Trying to nab as many politicians it seems is the goal
They’ve done the research and they’ve targeted us for a reason. Trump skews very high in white men from 25 to 55. And Bitcoin has raised more money than Silicon Valley. Money talks
Saying bitcoin does not need Trump or Saylor, or Bukele, or Musk, is like saying that buddhism did not need Ashoka. Do you know where buddhism would have been now if not for Ashoka? Dead. No trace. Never existed.
Bukele is a leader of a country that made Bitcoin its currency
Trump is a former president who taxed Bitcoin exchanges and had his administration continue calling Bitcoin currency exchanges "buying and selling"
Elon is a CEO who stopped accepting Bitcoin as payment for Teslas
You are a nostr user who spends Bitcoin on crack
The Matrix, running the world, stealing the Matrix from its puppetmasters are all things more complicated than believing things at face value such as: babyfaced Bukele comes from nowhere as an honest politician, pushes out both sides of corrupt polititians all maintained by the MS13 gang running the country without so much as a scratch to himself and his family, in an all corrupt police and military picks out boyscout honest shiny massive police and military massive forces that with 0 resistance puts 70000 violent gangsters behind bars in no time, all while defaming IMF, USA and alike. All done by the charms of his face and voice. If you believe in Santa Claus I cannot help you.
If there were times when Trump and Musk pushed bitcoin price down, it means it had to be done at that time.
N.b. things like crack do not exist outside of America. I don't know if it is possible to find anybody using such stuff at all, but if you do, then that person has never known how to read.
BTC is freedom money for NPCs.
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True. But it's a nice signal that Bitcoin is relevant enough to draw actual time and attention from folks that historically were resistant to talking about it besides a brief mention, or even worse, straight up antagonism.
Will the conversations be less quality, more shallow and agenda driven? Yeah. But the nice thing about Bitcoin is its ability to be resilient through social randomness
This is all true. However, you probably pretend the pandemic is over, or are you actually above political nonsense?
In a world where people are dumb enough to pretend the pandemic is over, everything will be politicized. I'm glad it was politicized as a Republican thing first - it being a form of money, positioned against taxation, probably helped ensure it would always be this way, though. It's a good thing because Republicans are way too fucking dumb to ever change their minds about Bitcoin if they start hating it because it's a Democrat thing. Democrats are also dumb, but will inevitably say "I don't care if it's a Republican thing, I don't want to be poor anymore"
You and all your friends should do a progressive fork for bitcoin faggot.
Was there really any need for the name calling? This isn’t twitter.
#bitcoin #nottwitter
Exactly. It’s Nostr. Free speech is allowed.
Get used to it.
Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
When was an outcome better when one or more parties to a disagreement were hostile and aggressive?
It’s ok the have different view points but everyone can be better of if they have to defend their point of view from a well reasoned argument against it. Petty name calling benefits no-one, least of all the person doing it since they present themselves as someone incapable of making a counter argument and have to result to personal insults.
I honestly don’t care what you think of me. I’m never going to meet you. You have no impact on my life whatsoever. BUT if we can engage in good faith discussions about our conflicting points of view we could both be better off. Once you resort to aggression, insults, and personal attacks no one benefits.
While I don’t actually disagree, you clearly didn’t understand the point…
Read my comment again.
Free speech is free speech. You won’t like everything you see. People have the right to say whatever the heck they want. Especially on Nostr.
I suspect you will see much more vile and despicable things as more people join the network.
Mute and move along if you don’t like it.
u mad bro?
I don’t love any kind of political anything my fingers are just crossed that this turns OK somehow
economic reality will keep winning despite all the political noise
I understand what you're saying...
But what if it was actually Trump who led you to #bitcoin?
Because that's how I got here. In bitcoin. On nostr.
So, to me anyway, it's pretty fuckin cool to see him finally endorsing it publicly
Come to Adopting Bitcoin in El Salvador 🇸🇻
Why should bitcoiners be embarrassed? Maybe Bitcoin Magazine.
Bitcoin Mag and its conf are not bitcoin.
I'm not Trump fan or supporter but RFK is also speaking. I'm sure they would have allowed Biden or Harris to come as well if they were saying they support bitcoin.
Bitcoin is bigger than politics and those that are getting bent out of shape because a political figure, scum bag or not is courting bitcoiner's support; they are gonna have a big problem with bitcoin as it become more accepted by normies.
Its for enemies. Any good money is gonna be used by people you don't like.
Additionally in the past it was not uncommon for movements that weren't overtly political to have politicians from multiple parties come and speak.
The only people IMO that have a legit beef about Trump speaking would be anarchists. Where we are going we don't need politicians.
Well said, there is a vidro from nostr:nprofile1qqsvfr3f7p95stxqrjslnmuvsmhcxxxqt8swjdfjx5tz7zq0yms5cygpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnfdenx7qg6waehxw309aex2mrp0yhx7unpdenk2urfd3kzuer9wcq3gamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7raruhg which i totally subscribe to.
Must be on NOSTR as well
https://x.com/WalkerAmerica/status/1801639692409987218?t=5QhrKtMYAIolV5EOf7pf4A&s=19
Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin explain how Trump is working with Peter Thiel (Vance) who's company Palantir developed facial recognition technology that made Jan 6 protesters easy to recognize, leading some of them to still be in prison today.
What do we learn about Trump? He works with people that will completely fuck over his own supporters.
The surveillance structures being built by those close to Trump (and the Democrats - it's just the uni-party after all) are to identify dissidents of both the right and the left.
And the icing on the cake? Gossip is that Trump is considering Jamie Dimon as US treasury secretary.
Rest assured, Trump will completely fuck over bitcoiners when elected. It will make is easier that all the conference goers will have their faces scanned and cataloged so they can be at the top of the shit list.
I listened to this podcast today.. came away with that same conclusion.. I didn’t know about the Vance connection to Theil.. putting someone with direct access to Trump if elected is crazy..
we need to be underground everywhere in the world except middle Americas next decades. anyway.
Why should they be? And how does the Bitcoin conference represent the industry?. Bitcoin is used worldwide in completely different ways.
And I am saying the conference shadows those ways, especially now.
How do you think #Coinbase #Kraker #Binance and such became so big and things like #Bisq remain so small after so many years in operation?!
Most #Bitcoiners - including most so called OGs and maxis - are just "Bitcoiners" for the #NGU in fiat terms: they are just pumping their bags same as any of the "suits" on Wall Street and in #WARshington.
#decentralization
Reading the comments on this post is the first time I’ve seen real vitriol on Nostr.
Will the angry twitter mob change the feel here or will #Nostr change them?
#Bitcoin #nottwitter
That's the price of becoming mainstream. The days in the shade are over. That's what you all wanted.
AN "INDUSTRY" THAT INCLUDES SCAMMERS LIKE UDI, NIC FARTER, ETC CAN GO FUCK ITSELF. THIS CONF HAS *BEEN* EMBARRASSING. NEXT!
Bitcoin is for everyone?
Who cares? That conference isn't Bitcoin itself, they are free to do whatever they want, like we do. Bitcoin is free speach, let's not start censorship.
Seems like people with TDS get very emotional about this.
Trump bad, so anything he does is bad.
There are 2 options in this election. One hates Bitcoin, the other used to be against it and now says they love it.
How do you know a politician is lying?
Their lips are moving...
Still when one says they are going to fight against Bitcoin and the other says they might BUY Bitcoin as a strategic reserve asset...
As a Bitcoiner that should excite you.
Don't allow your TDS to cloud your judgement. If you care about making the inevitable happen faster, Trump is the clear choice.
I am a single item voter. Who is more Bitcoin friendly?
Everything else is noise
What have the Democrats done to warrant crypto support? From what I can tell, the SEC under Biden has behaved in a extremely corrupt fashion, extorting billions out of the crypto industry even as they provide regulatory moats for their cronies. Several crypto OG's have been caged (Ver, Tornado Cash devs, Samourai wallet deves). Operation Chokepoint II is well under way, and almost all crypto-friendly banks have been shut down. Many crypto services have moved out of the US and/or refuse to serve US customers due to the predatory Democratic-controlled state.
Why should the Democrats stop attacking us, unless we punish them in the voting booth?
🎯 A lot of Bitcoiners still have major TDS.
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To his credit, this one aged very nicely. nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7ct8vaezumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgqtxwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tmwwp6kyvtpv45ry7nhx3jkceth0y6nvwpjd3uxxdncdek8z7n2deuxkum3xvcrxemhw5exuurxv9uxgdpewekkgefkw93hzdrwwaur7cnjdaskgcmpwd6r6arjw4jsqg8wd6sn4w07t39x36hekx35lcq55e45qytu2rhz5c20fndftxmwwsdrtlwr
Just remember, Donald Trump is a businessman, plain and simple! Sure he’s made some mistakes, but will probably will go down in history as one of America’s greatest presidents! Personally, I don’t care for the man’s ego and personality, but he has been able to run circles around his competition, Republican or Democrat, Capitalist or Communist! And he has done some great things. Pray for the man if you do pray, will definitely need it if the Democrats win the House and Senate! 🔥✝️🙏😎