So a bunch of people who love #bitcoin and freedom of choice and decentralization built a new open communication protocol around those ideals and integrated bitcoin into it as its native money because it’s best suited for that job, and it’s all so wildly amazing that we believe the rest of the world would want to use nostr too, but because of that we’re all supposed to NOT talk about bitcoin any more and remove any mention of it from our profile bios because that might be a turn off? I’m not buying the logic. Just talk about and post what interests you and invite other people who are into that. That’s how bitcoiners got here in the first place.
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Fuck that. They can come here and talk about whatever they want. I'll be talking about bitcoin with the fellow psychopaths.
Talk about bitcoin, but not how much...
Well they'll damn well hate my output then.
Mention bitcoin with almost everything here. That's my bread and butter.
Who’s idea is this?. If I don’t talk to you lot on here about #bitcoin, who’s going to listen to me! My normal friends? Lol
Whose. Not Who’s .. damn phone
There are several suggesting that Nostr is not welcoming to non-bitcoiners because there are so many bitcoiners here talking about bitcoin.
I will stop talking about #Bitcoin when Im dead.
You make an excellent point! Bitcoin is at the core of what Nostr and its community strongly believes in–the promotion of decentralisation, personal choice, economic freedom and efficient transactions. It seems perfectly logical to me that users should feel both free – without censure - AND encouraged to discuss any aspect of bitcoin-related topics within the platform; it stems from the acknowledgment that incorporating it here wasn't merely convenient-it came from a genuine belief in its capacity to drive adoption.
What we stand for does not only promote being censorship-resistant but also speaks towards allowing sovereign individuals meet with their sector based on shared affinity like music or medicine through various group grifts where participants experiment design changes around their interests.
We support each individual wanting connection rather than centralized control. The best part about a peer-to-peer focused driven conversation service is establishing communities where diversity of opinion is welcomed rather than punished through expulsion / exclusion by Site Admins in pursuit "perfect content"
Hence- I couldn't agree more: Invite those interested communities into Nostr, share with other barter traders and daily wage backups working like Uber who can verify invoices instonashi terms because everything transparent. That’s how true growth begins organically.
Agreed. Post what you want, when you want, and let your audience decide if they want to listen. Communication free of manipulation.
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I think it would Just be important to integrate groupes Like in reddit or Facebook. So everyone can go in topics they like, e.g. history, cars, warships, mining etc etc. Then also non bitcoiners would find talking topics and could integrate better because everyone has a hobby he love to talk about. And so you would much more easily get zaps, which also would lead more into learning about bitcoin for New people/no coiner etc.
I think the concept of nostr resonates with most bitcoins. And they will naturally be the first to adopt the protocol. But eventually with more users the content will become more diversified 🤙
Simple, two words: echo chamber. If I login here every day and see the same meme about Bitcoin over and over then I'm going to quickly lose interest. We all like Bitcoin. Let's be social and engage in discussions or arguments.
Echo chamber is a bullshit word for demonizing the idea community. People talk about what they’re interested in, and others who share that interest go to where those conversations are happening. Just talk about what you’re interested in and invite others to join you.
What do you think about raspberry Pis?
They are small and good for what they’re good for. Also too overpriced for what they’re good for at the moment. Lol
If we want this thing to catch on and be adopted by the masses and replace the incumbent centralized apps, it’s important to talk to and listen to users outside of our bubble and learn how to make their experience better and more accommodating to their needs and interests. I’ve talked to many friends who have tried nostr and churned and the most common reason by far is that it comes off as a bitcoin echo chamber and they find it unwelcoming and off putting.
I don’t think it’s necessarily about silencing or self-censoring bitcoin content, but more about improving client UX to make it easier for people to discover and join the conversations that interest them. we aren’t really there yet though so i think people are just treating bitcoin content reduction as a stop-gap until we were. we just want nostr to win!
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#[3] hit nail on head 💯
This is 100% reason every new user that I’ve greeted to the platform has left. They verbalized it too. I periodically go through followers list, to check up on the newbies I welcomed/followed/zapped/replied to.. and all of them has left the platform. It’s massive problem, but the problem doesn’t want to be heard. Even seasoned users like myself are exhausted by the constant repeat chambered bitcoin talk.
There is space on Nostr for any and every topic. Having a community that is enthusiastic about their topic of choice does not make it an echo chamber. If bitcoin isn’t your topic of choice there’s nothing wrong with that, but there’s also nothing wrong with it being the topic of choice for others. Join or start a different community that discusses and posts things that interest you. There is nothing at all stopping you from doing that.
I have an honest question: if one doesn’t want to see a single mention of bitcoin, where can they go on Nostr?
Maybe they don’t want to hear about bitcoin because they don’t like it, or maybe their government bans it..
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Unfollow anyone who talks about bitcoin and invite your non-bitcoin friends to follow you. I don’t feel like that’s an honest question but that’s the answer.
🤦♀️🤦♀️new user asks valid & important question, provides feedback on new user experience. questions to honest concerns are brushed aside. corn, I realize you & I may never see eye to eye, & that’s ok, I still respect your opinion, & open discussion… but if nostr is to grow Matt’s point is very valid.
Good answer. I am now curious what accounts are the “suggested” account when someone new joins nostr via one of the top clients.
I know user discovery is one of the biggest roadblock for newcomers. You’ve given me the idea to experiment to see what a non-bitcoin nostr feed looks like by starting a new account
Nostr.band is probably the best search tool right now, but search/discovery needs to improve a lot. Another thing you can try is to use someone else’s public key to login to a client. You’ll see Nostr from their perspective, you just can’t post anything as them because you don’t have their private key. But find an account that you like and login with their public key, and you might find some good follows that way too.
Great advice for a seasoned user. But newbie won’t know this, or about the website. Newbies downloaded nostr app most likely, & that’s all they know.
What is the best implimentation for search within events (so far)? Discovery of who to follow would be aided with the ability to search for specific phrases against all events...
I realize it's expensive in processor power, but I think worth the price tag, and "how to provide pay services" to realay and client users is a puzzle piece that must be solved anyway.
Try the nostr.band website. It aggregates from multiple relays and has the best search feature I’ve found so far.
We’ve got a public Kibana instance you can play with as well at https://search.nostr.wine
Our event db is a good bit smaller than nostr.band but you can construct more complex queries. It also is available by API: https://docs.nostr.wine/api/search
This is great! Thanks I’ll check it out 💜🔥
I have been trying different tools for search. So far the best one is https://nostrview.com/ => this one returns result for text search in quotes on events, and with the results it shows a list of multiple relays where the event was found.
Anyone know where I can find the source for https://nostrview.com/ ? Would like to read the code to see what they are doing differently. 😁
When I was on Twitter, I usually didn't read anything about Ethereum and that shitcoins.
And people talk about shitcoins in Twitter...
So, the process is the same. Don't wanna read, don't follow.
How do ya suggest a new user find a community? It’s extremely difficult imo & from my own experience here. I have wayyyyy more patience then most, it took 1+ month to even get other users to talk to me on here. New users decide in 1-2 days. *Maybe week tops.. After that.. they will leave. Newbies have no method to find similar users they may want to talk with. Only option I kno of is hashtags, and I didn’t figure that out till being here for weeks. Even the words are terrible choices… “plebs”…? It sounds degrading, it’s origin is unknown, and it’s not helpful. I quit using the word pleb.
Don’t find a community, create one. You mention your interests enough and people will show up. In the meantime expect to see the communities that have already been built.
Time… is the factor to note here. New users don’t have time to cultivate such a process. Their attention span is gone by then, & so are they.
But someone has to do it right?
I joined Nostr in December and there were barely an memers on here, or at least I didn’t know how to find them. I love memes so I just started making and sharing memes, and pretty quickly I started finding other memers who saw my posts in the global feed, or I saw theirs, and followed each other, and those have now become some of the people I interact with most and have even connected off Nostr with a few of them. You just have to start. Well, you don’t have to, but that’s the only way it works right now. If you don’t have the time then nobody can fix that for you.
Same… you have to be willing to start a conversation. Whether it be through memes or whatever. Can’t sit on the sidelines. Get in the game.
“Well, you don’t have to, but that’s the only way it works right now. If you don’t have the time then nobody can fix that for you.”
This further validates my point. New users expect those ideas/connections/groups/discussions to already exist. And when they realize they don’t.. they don’t have the time to do it. Unless someone spends hours of their day on nostr, which.. lets hope they are healthy & don’t, they are alienated & leave to spaces that do already have it. ie. other platforms
But they don’t already exist. So who will create them?
Probably the best site for searching Nostr right now that I know of is Nostr.band. Nostr is a protocol, like the internet, but it’s like the early days of the internet before Google and other powerful search/discovery tools were created. There are people creating ways of organizing and searching information on it but it’s all so new that you find out a lot of things by trial and error or suggestions from other users. For now the best answer to your question is for you to start talking about and posting the things that interest you, and follow people who reply and have a shared interest. Share it on your other social media and convince a few friends to come try it out with you.
I agree with everything you’re saying about this stuff as a newbie who is losing interest in this place and I only keep coming back at this point because it feels like a puzzle I can’t crack. And I don’t like that. So I’ve been trying to crack it. But I leave frustrated and exhausted most times.
👀 here👆 #[3]
Sounds like you’ve found a friend to talk about non-bitcoin things with. 😂 Idk what to tell you. What do you guys like? Post about those things.
I really tried to show ya a different viewpoint & experiences of a new user. And I get laughed at. And this is what the typical new user feels. Like they don’t belong. And saying this is not beneficial.
Aaaand there it is. The response I expected from the OP…truly amazing how predictable that turned out.
Guys you're making me dizzy... I agree with you all and I feel like, in the end, you're pretty much on the same page.
Weeks ago I also felt tired by the echo-chamber phenomenon. But I somehow managed to get around the issue and found the right balance in my followed list between BTC addicts and just random nice and friendly people talking about anything and everything.
And the very fact that this topic is now very hot is a proof that things are evolving and that Nostr is slowly becoming something more than just a Bitcoin-only social network.
I think it's good that we still have both visions for now, Nostr wouldn't be what we know without the Bitcoin community fighting for it and Lightning making it explode.
But it seems like we're going somewhere else now, gradually... Then suddenly? 😉
Anybody ever told you to lighten up? You’re taking things too seriously here. Have fun. Post about things you like. Unfollow or block the people you don’t. It’s not hard.
It’s interesting to note how many DM’s im receiving right now that support what I’m saying. But because “fear” has been cultivated into new users voicing dissimilar opinions to your they get attacked, or run off nostr. Suppose I’ll go “lighten up”… any suggestions?
#[4] seems to be saying that those DMs are indicative that you’ve got valid connections going on here. No?
I’m super curious about what is going well and not well nocoiner or non-bitcoiner experience on Nostr. Maybe it’s just nascent and needs more non-BTC content still? It sounds like there’s a significant group among your connections though!
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ I never said I didn’t have connections here. I said from new user experience that “new users” have no connections & that it’s extremely difficult for them to find or cultivate connects. Connections when they don’t want bitcoin only feeds.
True. I was accidentally merging your situation and those other folks conceptually.
So what are they finding out? Are you basically saying the global feed is too bitcoin-oriented? I don’t use it at all, rather I find people interested in what I am, and I follow who they follow. Is that not working for them?
Clearly not … since all newcomers all leave
Every account I’ve found to follow I have stumbled on through accident or by looking at who Jack follows and going through other people’s follower lists for interesting accounts. Or by seeing threads with replies from Jack.
Same
Seems like that means nobody is saying anything followable here except for bitcoiners. I mean that’s the impression I get from my own feed, but it’s hard to believe that’s the actual ground truth.
Jack packed up a spaceship of bitcoin Twitter users and brought them here together. Maybe we just need another person with a different interest to do the same.
Discovery is def a struggle currently if the follow people someone you know from Twitter route doesn’t work
Yes, follow those people who are DM-ing you. Sounds like you’ve made some new friends. Good luck 🤙
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#[4] comes across as an asshole on some things, in my perspective, but not sure he means harm. At least I’m not going to assume that.
#[5] it is a Bitcoin echo chamber here for the most part. I actually enjoy a Bitcoin only space, as it’s better, imo, than my experience on Twitter for Bitcoin only. I like that I can chat about anything and have fun with other Bitcoiners. However most of us are nerds for Bitcoin haha so branching out and bringing other topics it’s much of a focus. Nostr is still young and clunky. That combined with us Bitcoin Maxis is likely intimidating for others.
I believe the content and experience will grow, but unlikely for a while. Like you are already doing, continue to be the change you want to see.
Was going to DM you ferret, but it’s better to shine light and not talk behind others backs. No hard feelings Corn, plenty of people tell me I’m an asshole. Likely it’s just me misunderstanding tone and intentions over text. Will still zap ⚡️ your great memes when I see em.
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Thank you for speaking honest with your words: “it is a Bitcoin echo chamber here for the most part”.
It's okay, I don't only want bitcoiners on my feed either! I want everybody who's a friend. ♥️
You are in essence slapping many people across the face and giving them the middle finger.
Who?
People who come here to be with friends. Who may like bitcoin, but do not necessarily make it their every other word. Likes was a nice social construct. More freedom to the users.
Ferrett showed you a new used who was complaining and you brushed it off your shoulder like pond scum.
Bitcoin maxi or nothing is your flag.
Fair enough. But what many are trying to relay is a decentralized society with bitcoin but more importantly friendships and good times.
*new user (typo)
What? You interact with people that post interesting stuff to you or you post interesting stuff and let other people comment. No one is here to cater to your every interest. 😆
I never said cater to every interest.
To me having a decentralized place where people can have a good time with their friends.
If you have to concentrate on money (in this case bitcoin) 24/7 it does not make it as relaxing for some who may like bitcoin but can still “like” friends comments, and socialize more.
So go follow other people who talk about things you like. People talks about video games, coffee, travel etc etc etc
I am now the Nostr welcome committee or something? I am a dude who likes to post and make memes about bitcoin, Nostr, and a few other things like occasionally music. You don’t have to like those things. Not sure why I would need to change what I talk about?
I’m curious how the early days of Twitter compare? I wasn’t using Twitter then, but maybe it was also uninviting to new users because of echo chamber effects? Or maybe not? Obviously bitcoin wasn’t a thing yet…
I think nostr is still waaayy early in the adoption curve. It has the potential to take on S-curve adoption, like Bitcoin has done to some extent, but that may take time. So from that standpoint, I’m not surprised that a lot of the content centers on topics like Bitcoin and decentralized protocols.
For Bitcoiners, it can be tough to find community of people to talk stuff out with. Bitcoin Twitter is terrible, yet the mainstream media doesn’t have an educated approach to writing about Bitcoin. So I get it. At the same time, Nostr won’t reach S-curve adoption if it remains a “Bitcoin thing.” So let’s all try to stack notes about other random shit 😜
Thank you for feedback #[5]
I appreciate u 🫶🫂
But why? Why should a bitcoiner be expected to not talk about the thing that interests them in a place with lots of other people who are also enthusiastic about it? 🤣🤣 What a ridiculous notion. Just unfollow bitcoiners, the same way you would on Twitter or any other social network. You don’t have to talk about bitcoin here. But you can’t decide what others can or cannot talk about. That’s the whole point.
We agree. I’m not saying “don’t talk about Bitcoin.” Just saying talk about more stuff. Same as you said. And I think #[6]‘s idea about a bootstrap relay list that hides bitcoin references could be a good approach for some. Relay curation in general feels like an area of huge potential for experimentation.
Also muted words would help a lot.
I’m with you, I’m just saying talk about what interests you. Be authentically yourself. If that is 100% bitcoin then so be it. If it’s 50% other stuff, or even 0% bitcoin then so be it. That will naturally result in your follow list being other people who have shared interests with your authentic self.
I have seen a few people join nostr and talk about what most here would call "shitcoins" and get flamed off of nostr as though it were sport. Not scammers per say just people interested in other than BTC. I encourage people to talk about whatever they want and not be piled on.
It’s true. They highly attacked. Hateful culture. I don’t like it. Wish it was not like that. People should be able to co-exist. Other topics get similar responses… like if I say word “Elon”, or “Twitter”.
Yeah shitcoin was another term that was bonkers to me. It feels like a cult. If you aren’t in the in group, you’re in the out group and you better fuck off. That’s how it feels anyway.
Just replace shitcoin with scammer snake oil. That’s all it means. Lots of people have lost money in “crypto” scams and it’s our way to steer noobs away.
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It's gonna sound so cheesy but I follow pretty much all of you and like you all.
So just for fun 🤞🤷
The feels are mutual! You’re all the best. 🤩💜⚡️🤙
Then why not just call them scammers? I know there are a lot of crypto currencies out there. As a person who isn’t into all of it, they all look about as scammy as the next. So the term is off putting from the outside looking in.
I think the reason the term came into use is to shame the superfluous pilferers of every sort of coin shaped ponzie scheme. Being sceptical is a good thing for people. Being accurately informed is better.
Valuable good people here like #[9] has spoken openly on his podcast nests about being shamed about his interests in other coins. But do we hate on him? No. I for one, will not. And I really hope others don’t either. Cause he’s great person… an AMAZING friend, who I highly value, highly love, & dearly respect. Listening is a learned skill, it’s more powerful to listen then to speak sometimes.
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… And with that, I shall bow out.. & just listen. Thank you to all that gave honest & kind responses, & took time to listen. Then provide their own experiences & feedback. Much love.❤️🫶🫂
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I’d like to find other users by hashtag. When I search a hashtag in universe nothing comes up. It’s only if I click on a hashtag on a note. Im using Damus
Type the hashtag and click where it says search that hashtag right under the search bar and it will take you to a feed of posts with that hashtag 
If it’s supposed to work, maybe I’ll try troubleshooting
Press “search #dogs”
Does that work?
Oh! Wtf you have to literally click on the word not just enter enter?! Good lord let me try that.
Yeah, so I also just learned that. Been on here for a while lol.
We should seriously submit a PR that causes the return button to initiate the search
Glad I’m not the only one just learning this I felt pretty ridiculous when that worked haha
Thank you for speaking this!!
Yea it used to be the same with searching users and posts but that was recently changed. I vaguely remember reading that he had other ideas for hashtag searches but I can’t remember for sure. But yea, it would be cool if that at least searched as you typed it without having to click anything.
Can ya understand even slightly now corn? These are users that have been here weeks… and they “just learned this” now!!! I realize that your knowledge base seems to “exceed” all our ours, but perhaps something as simple as this … not being able to find hashtags… further demonstrates my point.
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If an account is trying to lead you to another system that’s platform
Based, that’s pretty much a tell. But there are a lot .. TG has become terrible , I hardly even check that account anymore
Bitcoin maxi here.
We call things by their name. If somebody acts as if it's something great or ok to buy/sell (in public space), then don't be suprized when someone objects.
Here’s the thing #[8]
There was, can be, and only ever will be one bitcoin.
Everything that came afterwards as an attempt to “improve” or somehow replace it is doomed to failure because they suffer from a fatal design flaw. They are missing at least one but usually more important aspect of bitcoin that can’t be replaced.
Those include :
- Its fair issue through proof of work
- Its lack of a company or known founder
- The fact that it survived years of attacks and emerged stronger after each one
- Its established network effects
- Its unchangeable supply and monetary policy
There are more, but that’s enough for now.
Yes, saying “Elon” or “Twitter” or many things here will shame people
to leave Nostr.
Asking people to “not talk about x” isn’t even really possible which is beautiful. I think what people are hungry for is a frictionless way to discover topics. A frictionless way to find relays that have content they want. Right now discoverability is hard. A lot of opportunity for builders.
So is it a safe assumption that if someone calls themself a bitcoin they have zero other, non-bitcoin related interests to talk about then? If that’s the case, that means a lot of people here are just sort of boring and not really worth interacting with if you don’t share their one interest, so why bother staying?
I’ve met interesting people here who talk about Bitcoin a lot as well as many who don’t. I agree it’s weird to only care about one thing. I just think it’s understandable that this early in the adoption curve, people who love the most successful decentralized money protocol would also naturally gravitate to an incredible decentralized social messaging protocol (or whatever the right term for #nostr is!)
Your trying to show him a bigger viewpoint Ferret. And he absolutely does not care.
His narrow minded viewpoint will never be overcome.
If we started talking about the qualities of Etherium we would be bashed to oblivion on Nostr. (We don’t care about Etherium at all for the record) but I am trying to get the point across to him.. unless one wants to echo and hum bitcoin night and day, a lot of new people who are not completely orange pilled will just go away.
He is ok with people going away. Because if no growth is the best he can do, as long as the current atmosphere is the same, he doesn’t care.
Hail Bitcoin and f… anybody who comes to Nostr wanting any other community of people.
And also the word pleb, I agree, it doesn’t feel great to be called a pleb. It feels like shitty college frat hazing, it’s slightly better than neo-Luddite or whatever but not great.
Thank you! 👏 pleb word is terrible
And I know you tagged the OP but based on the general other posts I’ve seen about people reacting to what you’re saying and what I’ve said I’m assuming the response will not be productive to the conversation so it feels like a total “talk until you’re blue in the face” situation to even bother saying this. But I want you to know I agree and I appreciate everything you’re saying about this
Hit nail on head again 💯
Feedback provided, ears 👂 not open. Echo chamber prevails.
Eh, lingo pops up anywhere in any community. It just happens 🤷♂️ Not like there’s a marketing dept deciding these things.
Pleb is degrading? Who do we find these people? 😆😆😆
The problem is definitely real, but the solution isn’t to suppress the bitcoin talk, it’s to create different talks.
Introduce different conversations, ask questions, I’ve been doing this now and then and I’ve had good engagement too.
I also enjoy my share of bitcoin conversations as well (hence the laser eyes).
Nostr is open for everyone, if you don’t like a topic you can always talk about anything else 😛 my personal favorite is #footstr
We talked about this on the bitcoin review podcast today. One way is to have a signup link with a different bootstrap relay list of relays that ban the word bitcoin and freedom and such
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Thank you Will. I appreciate you. Thank you for taking time to always listen to our thoughts & feedback. Means a lot 🫶🫂
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We do this in our real life interactions. At least I do 😄.
You talk to people around you about shared interests, things happening on a local level, the weather, sports, etc. You use discernment and judgment about bringing up Bitcoin. The phrase that comes to mind is “reading the room”.
If people know that every conversation they have with you will involve a Bitcoin discussion, people will avoid you. #foreveralone #foreveralonewithbitcoin
Talking about bitcoin is fine. I like Bitcoin. Talk about whatever you want (bitcoin, coffee, religion, politics). That's the beauty of this place. Just pointing out that it's repetitive and boring to talk about the same thing like this is one giant subreddit.
I think this is a problem that will be solved with time. The early users have a heavy slant toward a shared topic. That’s what pulled people in. It’s a bunch of builders who are passionate about the tech. The technology is still being built and refined. As it continues to improve, it will be more approachable to users who don’t want to figure out technical details. Lower friction for usage.
At the same time, creators from different communities are slowly finding their way here. They start posting here in addition to their other places #AlsoOnNostr, and it becomes more welcoming to new users.
You do raise many valid concerns, particularly the one about how difficult it is to find other communities. This is the kind of stuff that is part of the building and refinement process. Please keep speaking and sharing your viewpoint, it will help shape things.
I agree that it may take time. I have been excited to have a place to post my content that I have the most control.
I looked at your profile and enjoyed looking through some of your content. Following you now.
Cool stuff! Agree, will be nice to add a little something different to my feed 🫂
Me? Or who ya referring to?
I was referring in that note to Random Gadfly. But the same could be said for you. Started following two new interesting people today. ⭐️
Thank you for the follow and the reply!
I followed more than 1000 people here, so I realized that I was seeing the same thing, over and over. Now I'm following less than 200 and it's a great place for now... And if one person start to interact a lot with boring memes and bulshit, unfollow.
white supremacist !
I'm here because it's refreshing to see people talking about the technical aspects of bitcoin and nostr. If people want to see other stuff, they can just not follow bitcoin people?
I think everyone is well aware that discovery is probably the weakest aspect of nostr clients in general, once that gets figured out this will be a non issue
keep nostr 100% bitcoin
Because don’t be monodimensional. If btc is your only interest, then you aren’t very interesting.
It would be the same for any other single aspect of someone’s life. There’s more to life than being a goldbug, or a teacher, or a crossfit trainer, or doing 75 hard. After day 5 in a row of basically the same post, the rest of us don’t really care.
So unfollow people like that. Pretty simple, no?
And there are still a lot that didn't heard about BITCOIN yet or doesn't trust it. We need an orange pill factory! :riot:
Yeah I'm not trying to be liked by everyone else in the world. Get your own community over to nostr and follow/engage with them here instead of crying about enthusiastic bitcoiners trying to build on what they believe in.
The protocol is open for everyone to build on too so if you don't like zaps, there is nothing that blocks you from forking some client you like and remove zaps and ban the word bitcoin or cryptocurrency.
Bitcoin = permissionless money
Nostr = permissionless information
Bitcoin x Nostr = permissionless economy
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