So Bluesky has just banned some guy exclusively on Turkey only because the Turkish government asked.
(from https://x.com/aliskorkut/status/1912191854939943362, this is the profile: https://bsky.app/profile/carekavga.bsky.social)
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Luckely it is an open protocol and he can find refuge in the many interoperable alternatives besides bluesky
Doesn't matter, I'm not in Turkey so I can still see it.
Anyway it's a matter of time before "deer.social" receives a letter from the Turkish government too. How many "AppViews" will exist after? And will users keep moving from one to the other, reinstalling their apps, changing their habits?
Not to mention that the BGS will end up being censored too as soon as governments learn about them. "Oh, so someone will set up another one in Brazil, there is a crowdfunding campaign for that, and now we just have to make a new AppView that uses that, new frontend apps, this time pink-colored, and then tell all Bluesky users to switch!"
Tested on a vpn, no idea who this guy is or what’s going on there, but anyway on vpn bsky is blocked and this one isn’t.
As for the BGS, this deer I think can pull directly, but regardless very curious to see what happens with the main BGS, interesting test.
Also https://useouranos.app/ works over there for that account.
Bluesky, Twitter's lifeboat 😂
While a noble iniative, it became more of the same. Just one other eco chamber to stay away from
It was only ever a platform for the left while X became more for the right.
It is all just to keep those echo chambers ringing loud.
Decentralized cost, centralized authority! What a concept!
Big yikes
"decentralized"
It's almost as if their DIDs aren't actually D.
Tremendously censorship-resistant and decentralized. Nice.
And what company he is a board member of today?
Me me me, I know it!
MOAR!! CENSOR ME HARDER!
🤣🤣🤣 Today some dude on YouTube argued with me that BlueSky got no censorship, I need to add this into the thread 😂😂😂
Canadian nostr-relays will do the same.
He needs another relay 🤪
lol
I'm fairly certain nostr relay operators contacted by a government would censor notes from an npub if requested.
Onion service relays are the answer.
Authorities can target them, but at the cost of accelerating the spread of knowledge of cybersecurity issues in consumer electronics. The authorities don't like it when that knowledge spreads. It's another one of the ways they've cornered themselves, like climate change and crude oil.
I think you right about onion realays 🧅 🤙
They definitely would, that's why the protocol is organized to be resilient to that kind of thing.
I hope so 🫡🤙
1984 :)
damn
Fuck Erdoğan and his dictatorial censorship. Make Constantinople great again!
Not quite sure what bsky's "removal of youraccount" actually means. The full instance of bsky is a network of metadata tags and tag filters, and it's likely that bksy simply tagged the like "hidden_tr" to this account and then loaded a blacklist of tagged accounts through a filter in their app. If that's all it is, it's just a case of "hiding the account from bksy.app".
Of course since bsky.app is now used by basically all Bluesky users, there is a chance that this will work. The actual deletion of an account for bsky is to delete all data associated with the account from the PDS, and if the account data does not exist in several PDSs of bsky.app, then the only way to find out is to find out which PDS it corresponds to and ask them to delete the data or disable the federation.
Ever since I got banned I've kept asking if there's any way I can ever recover my data from the network. Never gotten a clear answer. Still pissed off I was too lazy to back up all my own posts.
Your data should still be in bsky.app's PDS, you just won't be able to log into their app. You could probably try to find or modify a bsky instance that doesn't accept blacklists from bsky.app, and then you'd be able to log in normally. As for why bsky.app is stalling you, it's largely because they don't have an internal process for handling data requests from banned accounts, or even a person in charge of it.
There may be a way to simply ask them to migrate your data to another PDS, but despite this, your account will still not be able to log into bsky.app. Unless you set up your own full bsky network or join another bsky network, you won't be able to get your messages to appear on bsky.app either, unless your friends have left bsky.app as well.
I don't think they even had messages yet when I was on bsky, but maybe I should dig into this more and see if I can recover my posts
I was one of the early users of bsky.app too, and bsky.app's privacy policy clearly states that you can access and request your personal data:
> Your Privacy Rights. Depending on what laws apply to your personal information, you may have the right to:
> [...]
> Request Access to and Portability of Your Personal Information, including: (i) obtaining access to or a copy of your personal information; and (ii) receiving an electronic copy of personal information that you have provided to us, or asking us to send that information to another company in a structured, commonly used, and machine-readable format (also known as the “right of data portability”);
> Request Restriction of or Object to our processing of your personal information;
The bad news is that my friend realized that the account blocking message comes directly from the PDS code logic, so modifying the bsky app to get around the restriction is not an effective way to get around it. The good news is that I found your account status is "Takendown", and only "Deleted" and "Deactivated" in the code logic will cause the account data to be completely deleted from PDS.
So, if you still need your data, just knock on their door every day.
Sounds centealized and fragmented
"If it has a CEO then" 😝 #Bluesky #LMAO #GFY
👉 THIS IS WHY WE #NOSTR 👈
really nothing shocking about it. BlueSky is 'the' number one alt social media platform for censorship.
they hump the air to censorship on BlueSky
GM nostr:nprofile1qyv8wumn8ghj76twvfhhstnjv4kxz7tn9ekxzmny9uq35amnwvaz7tmvda3kkcn00qhxv6tpw34xze3wvdhk6tcqyqalp33lewf5vdq847t6te0wvnags0gs0mu72kz8938tn24wlfze6qkxh4c (GM be unto him)
This is why Bluesky is CENTRALIZED. Simple as that.
I'd love to see the ultra progressives try and reconcile that.
Centralized voices are subject to silence.
If the button exists, it will be pressed.
Nostr fixes this.
Your digital ID comes with digital freedom.
Get yours today!
This can and will (if worth it at all) happen to any Pubky indexers or Nostr relays that capture majority of eye balls. And when they comply, because they must, it will be effectively the same as shadow banning.
Play search engine games, win censorship prize.
If you don't want to deal with censorship, don't get big, and don't work on problems that requires big servers to solve them, or build a blockchain and make each post cost $20.
There sincerely no third options.
This is why we build on Nostr.
nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424 nostr:npub1njst6azswskk5gp3ns8r6nr8nj0qg65acu8gaa2u9yz7yszjxs9s6k7fqx how do get this person to nostr?
It would probably help if we had lists/groups for Turkish people.
Personally I'd prefer some Cypriots ;)
We need to contact him ASAP.
nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 how do we find his contact info
Wow, the Turkish "democracy" is world famous, Erdogan isn't a dictator
He deserved it! Don't mess with BlueSky! 😂
RIB bluesky
There will be no shortage of retarded leftists that refuse to leave the platform no matter
These ships are set to sea with the sole purpose of moderation. They seems to establish them selves as opposition to less moderated platforms as X. The same goes for Mastodon (this comment would most likely get me banned there).
So what would happen if some authoritarian government asked top relays to stop transmitting some (random) dude's notes? What's the difference between being totally blocked and being almost entirely silenced? Publicly relevant people will find a way to transmit; less relevant people could be just as silenced here as in Bluesky. Just wondering...
If youre that much of a target, running your own relay is trivial and necessary
If you are much of a target you might not have the time or the skill. That's just idealistic thinking.
Then you had no business making yourself that much of a target anyway lol.
The point is even if somebody managed to coerce every large relay into censoring, it would still be trivial to get around it
Thats not idealistic, thats reality
never under-estimate the resolve of the oppressed. history has proven a clear trend. under duress and oppression, there will always be one that will break through to look straight at the devil in the eyeballs with the stab in the guts.
Random dude uses other niche relays. People who follow random dude automatically connects to niche relays and fetch random dude's posts. No one has to install anything.
Bluesky is a bunch of pussies. Got it.
😱
I had this discussion, I told you so. lol
👁️👁️
Freedom for all!*
*except for when the government doesn’t like it, then it’s bad.
Centralization is weak, it happens on all social networks with centralized moderation
Wonder what law was broken
Die Lieblings-Plattform der Sozialisten, jetzt wissen wir auch warum.
So Leute lutschen bei jeder Gelegenheit den Staat die Eier.
Both links are dead.
Thankfully governments, companies etc. can't ask #Nostr to ban someone's account because Nostr is a protocol. They might be able to ask single relays, but the more relays you are on, the better.
what prevents the same thing happening to primal on nostr? what would happen if the account was a primal account?
nostr:note1qqq0m20qlcg406kd7y0wr2hlxh5gkdsf6zkkxk97mmpyd8yfd8ws30s39q