Question: Do people actually want me to keep working on #Nostr apps here or should I just quit?
Am wondering if I'm not welcome.
#asknostr
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Why on earth would we want you to quit?!?!?
YOU'RE A LEGEND, DON'T LISTEN TO NOISE
Hey nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 I know you don’t usually reply to me but quick question,
what’s the reasoning for removing https://hivetalk.org/ from https://nostrapps.com which only you oversee & nobody else can PR to??
That’s who runs it? I have asked on here a few times who runs it and crickets 🦗
Ok, nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 please add BACK Hivetalk and add nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg
CC: nostr:npub1eequz6v23szzyx9utphsh8kg6kll50wte6sfh4vah8gdjtplcz6qg7at9s nostr:npub1tvqc82mv8cezhax5r34n4muc2c4pgjz8kaye2smj032nngg52clq0rkrq4
yup it’s him idk if people genuinely don’t know it’s him running the show now or simply know he won’t reply so they don’t even tell you
No one knows, I think
he won't. he hates me. i've been here 5 years longer than most people even heard of nostr, and i get shit on constantly, like i'm trash. i don't get what i ever did to deserve this
I think he removed relay tool s and corny chat as well. I haven’t looked just heard.
Yup that also happened
I just don’t understand why anyone would do that. Those two apps are literally trying to make the space better
nostr:npub10npj3gydmv40m70ehemmal6vsdyfl7tewgvz043g54p0x23y0s8qzztl5h nostr:npub1yx6pjypd4r7qh2gysjhvjd9l2km6hnm4amdnjyjw3467fy05rf0qfp7kza
nostr:note1qqqvrveez844uhtgppl8yugqtfeh6trzlyxed4q5ekscz7uga4aqmc0zv7
Always feels like theres some petty bullshit in the dev space
Wait, why would anyone want you to quit? You've been doing amazing shit.
retards gonna retard. u be u
Stay 🙏
What are you trying to produce in Nostr apps?
Dude. We need all the builders we can get. It doesn't matter what you're building, but as long as you're building.
We've won a large battle, but we have many more to go.
Please stay, and build. 🙏
Keep building. We appreciate you. nostr:nprofile1qqsp8luyzs4x2f3y2yjvrq8m2dpvagfs64v0a3753qqe68dw02k2rzspz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7uahyw4 is a great service. More people should use it.
What do you want? That is what matters.
You don't need permission to stay! Also we like you 😁❤️
Do YOU want to keep working on nostr apps?
there's no monopoly there. I've never used it.
Not sure what prompted this, but you have a talent that matches a need on nostr. Please don’t leave us!
nostr:note16w3stvwm0qzmkczmjaa4r8eqt2sy4rssugah7p84vz5ln5t3nu2q3flsk2
What happened? I think you are doing great work on the space and I'll be sad if you stop. I don't know you much but is evident that you have a lovely personality, big L for nostr if you quit.
i think the nosterati hate me
Fuck those nerds u are much cooler, don't let other's opinions affect u.
Wait what did I miss ? Who’s or what is classified as nosterati 😮
Criticism != hostility. Keep going, hivetalk is getting better! I even used it with a non-nostr person recently.
apparently hivetalk, cornychat and relaytools were all kicked off the nostrapps.com , for whatever reason we're not doing "legit" work anymore
None of these apps qualify as Nostr "clients" to me. I am using this term with a (more or less) strict meaning, not to say they are bad or somehow not "legit". Not all things have to be Nostr clients, in fact most apps in the world should definitely not be Nostr clients. And at the same time most apps in the world would benefit from Nostr logins or some other form of light Nostr integration, which seems to be the case of all these apps that were "kicked" (well, relaytools is different, it is a relay provider service, so not really a customer-facing "app" in any sense).
I have used Hivetalk many times and I think it is very good and I'm glad it exists. Same for Relaytools. I'm also glad that Wavlake has whatever the Nostr integration they have (I've not used it myself).
nostrapps.com is not a list of "good apps", it's a list of "good Nostr clients", the criteria for that is not super well-defined, but basically the app has to strive for interoperability with other apps, it has to have a reasonable spec -- preferably a NIP -- that allows others to build independent apps that will interface (view, create, interact) with those core elements, using Nostr relays and events for coordination.
i think all of these apps do that, we are all using and collabing on making nips and interop
wtf are you talking about?
what do you think about my meme
nostr:note1j37w0tlw25rp2ut2ry9fx7h8mqtl5fd7qkjdeh03e899eydytpcshwjg9m
Sorry but your meme is not a Nostr client.
He got you there, Sleepy 😂
idk bout alldat he changes his mind on the daily about what’s a “Nostr app” you never know tomorrow he might change his mind n it could be the best Nostr app on that list
He can run his site how he likes. But I think @hivetalk and nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg deserve to be on the list.
The criteria is too tight. Throw more on the list not less. 🤷♀️
not his site, it became what it became bc it WAS NOT his site, I promise you this, if it would’ve been his site from the start it would be nowhere right now.
he’s great at many things but creating a site n maintaining it isn’t one of them lol
The main problem with that site was the lack of transparency. We didn’t know who ran it and who to contact so we just started posting notes that nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg should be on it and that Wavman needed to be taken down.
I’m sure he got enjoyment from our trolling 🧌 but I’m sure many did 🤷♀️
Is it true you don't even gm?
Nostr.band is not a Nostr client
Npub.pro is also not really a Nostr client (CMS that pulls from Nostr)
Nos2x is a Nostr signing extension not a client
Amber is a remote signer not a client
Zapplepay is an external service
Nostrame is not either
Seems we have somewhat a wonky line at best.
✅💯
client is a kind of app
app is anything
If nostr.band isn't a nostr client then primal isn't too. Npub.pro is 100% nostr client - it talks to outbox relays of site authors and has 0 dependency on a particular server/relay.
my dear fren... y u no add Anonostr.com 😭
You left Yondar in the list ffs... it has zero users and even less development
People should make their own Nostr apps list. Let there be dozens. And then a Nostr apps list aggregator that is a list of Nostr app lists, that, since it uses the list kind, gets listed on the lists. List-ception is how we win.
I use 3 Nostr apps regularly. Amethyst, Corny Chat, and Hivetalk. But only one of those is a Nostr app? I don't see the logic there at all.
Amethyst is not a real app because it censors users with social credit score
client is just one of many kinds of apps
a server is an app
a system service is an app
the GUI is an app
the computer is an app
it means something that does something
change it to "nostrclients.com" then
I would look at it the same way like a browser, an email application or ssh are also not "TCP clients", while strictly speaking they do use that protocol under the hood.
Or a real-world analogy: we do not define cars, bikes or motors like "road vehicles" even though they mostly use a road.
Hivetalk, Wavlake should be on the list imo. They may not have a full Nostr integration, but they serve a very good use-use where Nostr is offering a solution. And most people would not care but I’m sure they will use it just because the apps works and the developers behind have the right intentions.
Right now, I'm trying to figure out what nips i need to make a "full" integration, and its getting a bit tricky here when the nips are constantly changing, and I'm not 100% full time into the protocol discussion cuz this isn't my full time job.
its difficult to build when the sand is constantly shifting under.
I'm okay with waiting until the dust settles and the definitions are clear, which they aren't right now. Some apps do "full" integration but they are also building the spec, which gives them the advantage to declare what is correct vs is not correct. If we're not defining the spec then its like, how do you even know what is or what isn't.
Either way I am not going to cry about it anymore. But this is something to think about as you go to FOSDEM how things are
As long as people keep the zaps coming and we cover the costs, I'll keep it going. If everyone wants to use it, GREAT!! If you don't, and I better put time elsewhere. Not going to get grants or vc, sorry. this is not how I fly for a pet project. I prefer running self-sovereign small businesses, and won't bow to an overlord.
nostr was only supposed to be side thing which has blown up to be much bigger than intended, for better or worse 😅 I was supposed to be spending more time on BTC/LN.... now this LOL
Fuck you fiatjaf !! 🖕
Actually, all apps that allow for intercommunication should use public/private keypair signing, so yes, basically all apps will be nostr apps.
I'm sorry. Your little project is bigger than you now. Maybe time to take a more hands off approach.
Unless you prefer to be like Vitalik instead of Satoshi.
nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 you've created something amazing. Thank you, from myself and everyone else here.
I think you and the community should think about governance. I don't have the answers, I don't know how to do it correctly, but I know that people smarter than me could have ideas. As more people come into this space, without governance, there's going to be trouble. Consider other FOSS projects, other decentralized projects, and how they do it.
Just a thought. 🤙
Seriously, wtf is nostrapps.com? We host 80% of nostr’s media, have an integrated ‘share direct to nostr’ feature, nip5,nip7,nip96,nip98, user profiles, have the fucking nostr name in our domain, and are not on any of these lists, don’t get any podcasts nobody has even heard of us 🤣
Fuck all those lists, special groups, and people’s opinions, just keep building.
Cornychat is legendary, I’ve heard of hivetalk and looking into it tomorrow.
Please let us know how we can help with any of your projects!! 🤙
fwiw
i have a subscription with yall
which makes this a MUCH more pleasant experience
and I've never heard of nostrapps
or wtf it is
ahhh the group trying to centralize nostr
i hope you fail miserably
Lol yes, that is our mission!
In all seriousness, our #1 goal is to help grow the nostr ecosystem making it fun and easy. We always encourage people to host their own media, especially if it is confidential or personal.
We are open source and have presented a few times on how to build your own media uploader.
We strongly support and encourage others to use all other nostr media hosts including:
Primal, nostrmedia.com, satellite.earth/cdn, void.cat etc!
I hope we don’t fail, I do hope other grow!
Based. 🔥🌸
I've been most loyal to nostr.build than any other client or service. You are a huge part of the backbone of this place. IDGAF what anyone says.
I would love to hear you and nostr:npub137c5pd8gmhhe0njtsgwjgunc5xjr2vmzvglkgqs5sjeh972gqqxqjak37w on a podcast
Make it happen nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn
I am building a Nostr app website where devs can list their own apps, V1 is out now. Keep in mind I am no professional so there will be bugs but it's NostrStore.com if anyone is interested. You must be on Desktop to add new ones and sign them though. You can receive zaps directly for your apps too.
if nostr.build pulled the plug on nostr and disappeared, the entire network would just die
no, you're notba "client"
you devs all have a god complex
That’s what Mr Beast should learn criticism = honesty 
please be patient with some nostriches. I hope you stay and we grow value. 🫂
You’re too humble and too kind.
You give and give and get get nothing out very little back.
Make yourself happy for once.
Don’t quit!
STAY!
We love you here. You're invaluable.
Haters gonna hate.
Keep working on #nostr
Please keep it up!
Yes. Hivetalk is great
My app is also not there even though I asked karnage a few times, and got no answer, there are definitely outsider devs on Nostr, that are not part of the cool kids, idgaf anymore, I will just keep doing my things.
The 'cool kids' hold open office sessions at nostr:nprofile1qqsr3gwphg38qcy5lpzd2vphk3apdnfaywkpk8nq4yljkthqn33y6ncppamhxue69uhku6n4d4czumt99u9pjye9 though, where you can confront them directly out in the open!
And to top off the irony, they do it on hivetalk😱
on my calendar for next time, if i can get up that early 😅
And also I would appreciate it much if you read this note that was a reply to Sebastix
https://satellite.earth/thread/note1rwa4dvga4gz5g7hn83qnd4tevdhchey8zz7lymggadjs2zygj4mqtxvzjq
And i would appreciate if you'd never a https:// link to a note inside of Nostr again🧐
nostr:nevent1qqsphw6kkyw65p2y0tencsfk64ukxmutujr3p00jd5ywkeg9pzyf2as48dqzu
I think il touch on it a bit during my presentation.
I will also try to remember it for the next open office to discuss.
Thanks. I appreciate it a lot and best of luck on your talk which I am sure will have a lot of impact.
And sorry if the link was a hassle; i am juggling about 10 things at the same time right now
So help me God.
Keep working, boss!
I'm just gonna keep fucking building till there is no one left or life gets in the way somehow.
Don’t quit!! What is your struggle? 🫂
i know we have had words but fiatjaf not undrestanding the meaning of the word "application" is nothing to do with whether anyone appreciates your work
ultimately he runs the site so really this is just another example of how centralization is a highway to hell
Just learned about Hivetalk because of the Streisand Effect
That’s pretty cool, I tried to build something like that with WebRTC, but I wasn’t committed enough; I’m glad to see someone did
Can I call an npub?
I fully expect Nostr to obsolete phone numbers and expect a standard for clients to use for people to call their peers/follows
Are you working on that too?
Nice work 🤙
Nobody is censoring. You learned from a squeaky wheel. That aside, it seems a worthwhile project.
Why are you not welcome ? 😮
feeling the same.
You are welcome here! Don't quit! Find your niche. I love the freedom here.
Acho que deve continuar para o bem da comunidade
I've seen this before in other circles ... the hierarchy, notoriety, ego, power struggles ... sad. Hopefully it'll all be overcome for the good of the concept and user base. 🤞
If you guys really love Hivetalk and want to help us get the next major release out, we could use help with testing, and few good first issues are open for new to code folks.
Hit us up in the discord at : https://discord.gg/tun5J8GRAy
(yeah i know, i know its discord, so sue me, lol)