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Hat tip to nostr:nprofile1qqs2dg3dtrdkwz0gr3t3wenahm3dmwkzy3y9whdtlyh5kvxxacgjnugpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqzrthwden5te0dehhxtnvdakqf4mk26 for the core dev inspiration .
Bitcoin twitter lol
Just reject the Core v30 malware.
But the point is that Core devs are compromised, don't put your head in the sand.
Keep misguiding your followers coward...!!!
Your reputation damage will be so hard that I doubt if you will ever recover from it once spam war settles down and shitcoin core gets completely obliterated. It will also likely affect Ten31, Opensats and Nostr.
You being CERTIFIED CORECUCK was not on my bingo card for this year.
the coward move would be to give in to your harassment and blindly recommend people run knots
go fuck yourself
Thanks for showing your true color...!!!
Bitcoiners who like to give blind recommendation are running malware moron and Bitcoiners who understand bitcoin as a money are running knots.
GTFO...!!!
They are running Monero instead of whatever fedcoin flavor of the day.
Okay, why doesn't everyone just shut up and listen to nostr:nprofile1qqsg4v34lcp7fma8huqm4w722ggdul4vqx46de3sny7ek6zvt6easnspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucm0d9hx7uewd9hj7lnn03s ? Maybe he has the right approach.
"just do nothing."
Yes just do nothing so commie core devs can easily turn bitcoin into ethereum or inefficient data storage.
I don't tend to be so hard on him, they are clearly under state threat.
Yes. Run knots. It’s 99% like core but with more filters, less woke devs. Who wouldn’t want that.
So inform yourself and recommend Knots NON-blindly🤦♂️
seems more reasonable to run core 28 or 29
are you going to bring on more maintainers or is your plan to just keep shipping knots releases on your own
Main character syndrome is real
Please recommend 29, not 28. 29 enables zero-fee-commitments for lightning, which is a really important feature in some cases!
I have a question, is v30 the final decision by core team?
Final decision on what? They changed defaults, you can change them in bitcoin.conf pretty easily…
Well didn't core change the definition of the feature? So reinstating the previous default parameter doesn't reinstate the previous feature.
No. Changing the config to the previous default basically has the same outcome as the previous code.
Not sure most people are aware of the benefits (I'm not).
My understanding is that the commitment transaction is basically the transactions you are "passing around" with the other side of a lightning channel, your updates to the "bar tab". There is an issue that if these are too old, when you try to force close a channel, it fails because the fee to the miner is too low, so we need a mechanism for either side to bump the fee.
If this is correct, can you complete it with why is it important to support zero fee commitments and what exactly do they solve? (Or share a link 🙂)
by the looks of things Luke should get some maintainers because things seem to be taking off for Knots
no version of core can detect inscriptions
One respected manteiner >>>>>>> a bunch of mentally challenged kids with funds.
Only one maintainer ships each Core release.
The "on your own" has always been nothing but FUD.
the latest core release was signed by over ten people
the latest knots release was only signed by you
That's simply not true at all.
He's dealing with a bit of harassment. In his mind that's a good excuse to blame you for it and also believe any other untrue things about you or Knots or Bitcoin that he feels like believing on a whim. Not justified reasoning but that is how most people think, sadly.
i checked both myself, please explain what is not true to all of us?
Releases can only be signed by True Catholics, of which Luke is the only one (all other self proclaimed Christians are heretics according to Luke Logic)
The answer is obviously the most retarded: Luke considers all signatures from the Core version to be signatures for the Knots extension/fork.
more than 10 signatures: https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-30.0/SHA256SUMS.asc
only your sig: https://bitcoinknots.org/files/29.x/29.2.knots20251010/SHA256SUMS.asc
anyone can verify that themselves, weird thing to lie about
You can’t reason with mentally ill delusionals hashtag Bitcoin’s savior hashtag ardent catholic aka the global boy rape cult
There are 3 signatures in the Knots 29.2 signature file.
Your brainless retarded comment only shows your 0 intellect.
It’s signed by Luke and bigshiny90@gmail.com
Bitcoin’s sole intent.
Let’s keep on task please.
3 sigs as of this morning.. more guix happening. What are you even talking about?
3 signatures and counting, verified myself. Did you?
he swapped the file, look at the timestamp of the last sig
glad there are more signers
Signature file on GitHub says it’s 4 hours old. Did you verify when it first came out I guess?
curl -s "https://api.github.com/repos/bitcoinknots/bitcoin/releases/tags/v29.2.knots20251010" | jq '.published_at'
"2025-10-10T23:19:47Z"
That’s when the release was published.
The signature file was updated at my local time 8:57AM today. Odell’s tweet was at 9:51AM.
Sounds like a misunderstanding
curl -s "https://api.github.com/repos/bitcoinknots/bitcoin/releases/tags/v29.2.knots20251010" | jq '.updated_at'
"2025-10-13T13:57:16Z"
Correct
And for reference Odells note about only one signature was at 2025-10-13T13:28:25Z and 30 minutes later 2025-10-13T13:57:16Z the signature file is updated on github with 2 more signatures.
The 2nd signature was created 2 days ago. Not sure when it was added to the GitHub release.
https://github.com/bitcoinknots/guix.sigs/tree/knots/29.2.knots20251010
Yes. I am just correcting my criticism. Odell does in fact know how to read a text file 😂. The file was swapped out after he checked it.
👍 nice everyone shake hands.
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Looking forward to a 3rd implementation, I hate core more than I love knots.
Not that anyone cares about my opinion, but I think the reason for the lack of consensus with core vs knots is became everyone is arguing over tradeoffs.
It's a tradeoff between decentralization and censorship resistance.
We can't have 100% of both. There is a dial in between and where should we set that dial.
I don’t agree with that framing, filtering out a certain class of txns (spam) isn’t censorship.
Censorship is filtering out individual txns based on individual characteristics.
Filters have been around forever, they’ve been working just fine.
The busy body dumbfucks at core should have left things alone. If they wanted to tinker with fun little open source projects they should have found something else and left my money alone.
Filtering out a certain class of transactions isn't censorship (agreed), but it does resemble ad blocker behavior which is a form of centralization. In ad blockers, they all query a centralized list, or have trended to do so. Gov can put pressure on anything that is centralized. Yes filters work. That's the problem and solution unfortunately. Hence tradeoff between censorship resistance and decentralization.
To be fair to him, judging by the timestamps, it doesn’t look like it was done as a response to your note.
But a few days ago was just a single signature.
Shiny signed it 2 days ago atraxia an hour-ish before your note
https://github.com/bitcoinknots/guix.sigs/tree/knots/29.2.knots20251010
Are you gonna give it a try now? 😄
I attested all Knots releases since v25.1. knots20231115.
Haven't attested v29.2.knots20251010 yet because it just came out. Thanks for the reminder.
There we go.
7 signers (so far) for Knots v29.2.knots20251010.
https://github.com/bitcoinknots/guix.sigs/tree/knots/29.2.knots20251010
Just keep running core 28 or 29 if you don't like knots
this still does not prove that bitcoin core is not compromised. the ethical thing to do is to push for no core upgrades
Others are coming, including myself.
I sign all release of Knots since v25.1.
ODELL is the new Bitcoin Knots maintainer. LFG!!!
Running v28.01 until dust settles 🤙
Yeah… better to see the pattern before following it
🌌
True
Yea Na, fuck you. You are better than this!
Haven't all ODELL's pleasers who are paid (via OpenSats) to influence Bitcoin, disinformed masses at the https://bitcoincore.org/en/2025/06/06/relay-statement/ and smear campaigned against the independent implementation of Bitcoin node, i.e. Bitcoin Knots? I think there are at least 9 of them on the list.
Bad Actor
Though I am on Knots side of the debate, I agree with you on this point. This is pretty much just harassment. Fellow Knots lovers, shut the fuck up, tone down your angry voices ok?
I'd like to see more "don't trust - verify" on both sides. That's basically the same as "bring receipts." An passionate argument with no receipts is worthless, and conflating name calling with an argument is actually detrimental to the side people think they're on. Tbh I'm sick of seeing this. Wherever you see some doing this, even if they're on the same "side," fucking shut them down. Win by being right, not by bullying, and don't tolerate that crap.
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Oh shit. You said Go Fuck Yourself. Impressive 🫡
💯. Thanks for putting yourself out there and putting up with these fools.
Yea, i wouldn't have put money on that, but here we are.
That post is really offensive, uniformed and inflamatory.
Plebs don't 'follow'.
Sure, we listen & watch, consider our options, absorb pure fire-from-the-gods level advice, get distracted by a psycopathically hard bit of freedom tech just... well because it's there, and then AT BEST, adjust out helm to converge on the (currently) shared vision.
'Follow'? How very dare you. 😉
More Parker Lewis, less Odells.
Definitely. That happens when you decide funding through brink and can not accept that you actually gave money to a shitcoiner scammer compromised children who can code.
The source of corruption and compromise of the Core devs.
1) citrea is shitcoin garbage
2) i don’t think citrea controls core devs
3) if you are concerned about core devs being desperate to take shitcoin money consider supporting independent funding orgs or donate to devs directly
Not all but majority of them. Their actions have root cause.
How would you explain their actions to blow up OP_RETRUN and this direct cause from Citrea?
How do you explain Core devs not fixing inscriptions spam?
i do not think “the majority of core devs are compromised”
i do not think its possible to stop inscriptions even though i wish they were not possible
i do not think it is safe to have the majority of the network run software that is maintained by a single individual
i do think node operators should have more choice and the best path forward is fostering well reviewed alternatives to core
Bitcoin Knots is not maintained by a single individual.
What evidence do we actually have that Core has multiple devs? I mean, it could be like the mining situation - many names, sharing one template. The devs are many names, but one groupthink? Or worse, how do we know its actually them pushing the code? Anyway. Personalities don't matter. There needs to open competition between different implementations competing for maket share of the userbase. 21% of the network migrated to knots within one (?) release cycle - despite the dev concentration risk. That tells you a lot. The plebs have signalled: competition has begun massively. Bullish af. I'd love to see eg 5 implementations with at least 10% share each. Each side is going to have to up their game to grow market share now. Complacency is gone.
And lets not forget Core devs blocked pople on Github discussion just for mentioning Citrea.
Part of the problem with crypto twitter (yes... I know it's called X) it is filled with people that don't actually understand the topics they comment on. Worse is they seem to have large audiences who gorge on the tripe
Twitter is dunning Kroger on steroids.
Scary conversation
“Is the end of gold redemption a big concern”
“Nope”
“Cool”
Vibes
i dont think thats even close to the same level of concern
i dont think you think so either
so why lie
I implied it shares the same “vibe” not that the impact or level of concern is the same.
v30 if widely adopted could severely degrade the network/user sovereignty in that people may choose not to run nodes and thus rely on someone else’s node. That’s just a known side effect. There are unknown risks.
I would have said a bit more than “nope”, but that’s just me
Tik tok next block
What are you running Odell?
I'll agree that's a good solution but we expected better from core. They didn't have to make this change
Thanks for continually talking about this Odell... At the end of the day a 3rd option seems like it would help a lot.
While I hate to see personal attacks its good to see debate for both sides - decentralized protocols are great 🍻
It definitely says a lot that you are encouraging others to update and potentially risk being imprisoned for hosting child porn while you yourself refuse to update.
🤔 Lately lots of "Bitcoin influencers" seem to be selling out/trying to scam the plebs
wtf
So forcing all Bitcoin node runners to permanently store CSAM if it mistakenly gets mined is no concern at all? Nothing to see here
that's messed up
The concern is that many of us have lost any faith in either of the development teams of the two major node implementations, with one resorting to all manner of strongarming and design philosophies reminiscent of Apple, and the other literally resorting to 'think of the children.'
I for one will be not upgrading from knots 27, and exploring what the BTCD team has going on.
I actually seen BTCD out here making little tiny waves recently… what are your thoughts on RISC-V?
👏👏
Wait what? Since when are the node runners children?
The threat of childporn and malware is not a "think of the children"
It's a "making it more expensive and possibly illegal to run nodes will adversely affect node runners"
The child porn already exists, nobody is suggesting that core 30 will encourage people to hurt children.
The children in question have already been abused and the abuse material is already being circulated.
It's a threat to node runners and Bitcoin itself rather than a threat to children.
Although permanently hosting that kind of stuff may cause further trauma to those children that's not the actual concern here.
Anyway it doesn't matter because all that'll happen is that it'll create a fork and nobody will run the core 30 blockchain after it forks.
Bitcoin has already been through this before.
Same thing that happened last time will happen again
Honestly think of the children would have been more compelling than "we don't want to do anything illegal."
Not sure when Bitcoin became about following the rules of terrestrial governments. Its whole value proposition is permissionlessness. Nobody says your node has to run on clearnet.
Pandering to governments seems more about NGU than anything else.
Sure, we'd shake off some folks with less conviction. But such crises are where Bitcoin has always proven itself and come through stronger.
If we could shake Larry Fink out that'd be the real trophy. If it's not clear why, perhaps check out Marty's conversation with Vince Lanci on the most recent nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj76r99eex2mrp09skymr99ehhyee0qyfhwumn8ghj7ur4wfcxcetsv9njuetn9uq3xamnwvaz7tmzd968xarpvd4juctswqhsz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjme0qyd8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtndd9hxjcn0d36zu6twvehj7qpqsk7mtp67zy7uex2f3dr5vdjynzpwu9dpc7q4f2c8cpjmguee6eeq6unscg .
Seems like your promoting complacency.
i have discussed this topic at length on nostr and my shows for over a year now, every week
i run the largest independent dev funding org, explicitly created to prevent developer capture by corporate interests
there is a middle ground between yelling fire in a theater and complacency
There's an actual fire tho
nope
and having one person maintain the software for the majority of nodes on the network is probably worse than the status quo
That proves how far off the mark core is in this case. The fact that so many people would change to software run by one developer should give them pause.
That’s 100% on core pushing through a contentious change.
🫂
Why do you keep repeating the FUD and denying the problem? This is why people are losing trust in you.
The man is unreasonable and unwilling to consider the argument from another perspective. He's decided what to believe. Pretty impressive how powerful self-delusion is. He's right to want additional implementations, and he doesn't have to trust you, but when it comes to addressing your arguments, well, he's just repeating talking points and not thinking for himself.
Put out the fire.
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That doesn't put out the fire, it turns up the heat.
Why do you want an airdrop so bad?
lol
Submit your consensus change or end the FUD.
First its not FUD.
Second we run Bitcoin Knots.
Third coretards and compromised Core devs gaslighting is pathetic.
Actively brushing over sharing child porn. Rad.
Okay run knots or stay core 29! Cool
Odell, you used to be a hero to me in the Bitcoin community. The way you championed privacy and freedom tech (e-cash, CoinJoin, Mutiny Wallet, PayJoin etc) was inspiring. Your strong advocacy for freedom and your bold stance against KYC were important. You told those privacy-hating governments to go f© themselves. I loved that!
You seemed like a true freedom fighter. Now you don't take a clear stance in an important debate. It seems like you've adopted a more non-aggressive approach, avoiding clear expressions of your opinions and steering away from contentious issues. I first noticed this change in your stance regarding Saylor and open source development. Now I see you being quiet about the censorship and power grab by certain Core developers.
I hope I'm wrong. But it’s disappointing and disheartening to say the least.
Fuck Core v30 and Fuck Core.
Do you even listen to Optech Review Pod...? Do you even look at the blockchain. A huge OpReturn ~4MB was mined early in the year.. and none since that I'm aware of (most likely becuase it is cheaper to add data in other ways, sadly also more harmful to the network.. Would be FARR better if they were using OpReturn.. And no, I don't think we should be sensoring, our sensorship resistant money!
Yep, it’s not about the change, it’s about the fact that clearly there is some governance issue with core
Yep, that's the main reason to switch to Knots, in addition to its respect for user choice.
You’re either new or retard or both if you think knots vs core matters. Congratulations on being a dumb fuck.
I'm going to remember this one for later.
Please do. If I end up being the retarded one I’ll gladly eat a slice of humble pie.
I'll eat mine now. I could be wrong already. I am a offgrid solar bitcoin miner. I know what it looks like to me. Never been called stuoid by a person who knkws me. And I don't understand why people call others names when having different POV. Why are we so obsessed with being right or wrong. We all can see it differently. Not sure if we will ever have consensus on who was right or wrong. Maybe. I am running knots because it makes more sense to me. Not sure what that makes me retarded.
It matters for the ego; which is as good of reason as any
This is why we shouldn't have heros. Good sign we are still growing though.
Indeed he's choosing not to think it through and have a real stance. Even his refusal to commit to Knots is not based on reason, just propaganda.
Sadge indeed
I think you're wrong. Even if you're right, it doesn't really matter. Nobody's perfect. Educate, don't blame. Start up a podcast. Its just not right to turn on someone the moment they have a different opinion or are not thinking through it on your schedule.
VIRTUAL ZAP! ⚡️⚡️⚡️(tried twice..."unable to zap")
in hindsight my position on saylor was probably too aggressive, half of bitcoin twitter hates me for that
my position on this issue has been clear and transparent, discussed at length on both my shows and nostr for over a year
Maybe you should have posted that in ALL CAPS?
It is a proper and conservative stance. One that carries respect. I was running Satoshi v. 27.0/ for almost two years and it worked just fine. I now run knots but understand hesitance on switching with only one dev. I am a fan of node configurability and I believe my nodes resources should be spent on relaying legitimate transactions, not spam that happened to have a cryptographic signature.
Wish I could zap!
Slay your heroes
It’s not if don’t upgrade
We need more implementation teams. I find how both sides acted the last couple months to be what I'd expect out of a shitcoin project.
Wouldn't be surprised if this stupidity leads to a company with deep pockets coming out with a "Red Hat" version, either. Watched this same infighting shit play out in the Unix and *nix spaces.
Most people are immature. You cannot expect the most vocal morons to always be the most reasonable people on that side. Mechanic has been very, very reasonable but a lot of the people following along just regurgitate talking points and are unreasonable pricks.
The additional trouble is that the core side did not even have any reasonable arguments whatsoever and everyone in charge of making decisions there acted in bad faith.
Yep. I've been on the knots side, or the "we need more options" side, but I've been annoyed by other people on this side using it as excuse to be nasty to people. They do more harm than good.
Bitcoin’s sole intent.
Everything that’s wrong with Bitcoin in one picture:
1) legitimate concerns quickly dismissed
2) trusting without verification
3) a well respected OG amplifying the former two
And it took us less than 2 decades to get this cucked.
Out now on wavlake
#core30ismalware
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I just want to say thankyou for the opportunity.
As institutional investors and retirement funds dump Bitcoin in response to core 30 release, it gives us the opportunity to buy the dip.
When enough idiots update to core 30 it will create a hard fork and obviously the blockchain WITHOUT THE CHILD PORN AND SPAM will retain the name Bitcoin.
After the fork all the investors and retirement funds will come back.
Because we've already seen this playout before.
I love how you all uncritically buy the CP narrative the gatekeeping peddle you, rather than realizing this is them doing what they do, gatekeeping and dogmatically keeping purity and shunning sinners and disbelievers.
It's not about CP, it's about bringing DeFi to Bitcoin using zk proofs for finality on the Bitcoin L1.
No hard-fork needed, those are and will be valid transactions.
Thought you all enjoyed free markets? Or is that support wavered once the free market does things (like bitcoin defi) you don't want it to do?
These new bitcoiners, I swear. lol.
Lol, "defi." Whatever you think that means, its a scam.