governments and big tech are going to kyc most of the internet
most people will comply
Discussion
I will not comply!
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Like Primal does with shotgun KYC to zap
Before talk about others look inside and see what you are doing against it..
What’s shotgun kyc?
that is not shotgun kyc
shotgun kyc is when the info is asked after you deposit, holding funds hostage
the wallet is optional, you can send and receive zaps on primal without it
you can also use any other nostr app by simply copy and pasting your nsec
gotem
I dont buy that Odell
There are ways to build clients without KYC also so why a "Freedom figther" prefered to build it with KYC whem he can do it without it? I know the answer ($$$)
Now you will tell me, because normies will be easily onboard
You cant criticize others and then do the exact thing they are doing.
There is no good KYC and bad KYC, its all bad!
And if you do any form of KYC you are complaining
well pretty sure i coined the term shotgun kyc and the nuance matters, its strictly better to be upfront about it then lock users in and force it on them
doesnt seem possible to ship a self custody wallet that accepts small zaps but we may move to spark or something like that when the tech matures, its a priority but dont want to rush it and have users lose funds
While I run LND over tor and use AlbyHub for zaps, I appreciate that custodial zaps exist while we work towards better solutions. I'm still unable to receive zaps because that requires LNURL and doesn't work with onion services, but I think we can eventually work this out and have fully anonymous, self custodial zaps
i will also be waiting for that solution, but i'm afraid it will never come. at least not in any 9 eyes countries
It's just code - NWC could have a safe way to generate a public connection string that can only make invoices, and clients could use this instead of an LNURL address
But clients can already implement NWC, no?
Yes, but there isn't a nice way to generate NWC connections that are safe, so no one is putting them in their nostr profiles, therefore no clients implement it. I admit that I should push harder for this, but I'm fixated on something bigger right now
Now im seeing why you "coined" the term, usefull to have good KYC and bad KYC now..
Clients should not even try to be wallets, thats one more point of failure, much easier to build the connection bridges and let wallets do their job
I understand money must come from somewhere, but with that you are selling data like big tech does, to get funding with the KYC that users that dont do what you said and comply, give to you, interesting..
If you believe your product is really the best, why use short cuts and say yes for VC money?
Long term preference remeber?
What if your Client or customer is bad guy .. then what ? Whose fault is that ? The vendor who refused KYC policy or the customer ?
shotgun kyc is when the info is asked after you deposit, holding funds hostage
the wallet is optional, you can send and receive zaps on primal without it
you can also use any other nostr app by simply copy and pastin
Trying to defend primal when primal are doing something that's inherently bad..
Expected better from you nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgprpmhxue69uhhqun9d45h2mfwwpexjmtpdshxuet5qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2aqnz0fd0
Primal is trying to be the legacy social media of nostr.
Primal is seriously everything that's wrong with twitter Facebook etc.
FUCK
THAT
SHIT
There's a lot of noncompliance in the UK right now. Half the top apps in the UK App Store are VPNs.
The boomers will comply but the tech savvy generations smell the bullshit.
Most people don't know that something is wrong or that there's an alternative.
Fuk daht
Inflation/debasement, surveillance capitalism, kyc internet. These nets are so wide, it’s hard to imagine any significant % of us will escape to become sovereign individuals
The juice seems to have separated souls from their bodies… In for a ride of the ages #PilgrimSociety #VenetianBlackNobility
https://blossom.primal.net/f165a496e3b6b31c06343baf71fe5604f702d8f72e24f805bd7f1ea2eeba1484.mp4
The importance of NOSTR grows more ever day.
darknet will ne the new normal
I refuse to just roll over—let them scan their own cookies. My digital footprints stay mine.
Nostr and Bitcoin came from Heaven! I feel myself incredibly safer when I discovered those technologies, eternal thanks to all the people engaged in this way... 👊🏼
Ride or die, do not comply
and most people will also get their brains chipped and drool to the grocery store to purchase toxic food with their ubi stipend.
don't be most people
absolutely. Everyone i know don't see a problem with it and even think its good.
Yeah, same. Also, they know Bitcoin is a scam. 🤷🏻♀️
Trying to avoid at all cost 🫡🧡🗽
We need more bitcoiners
Cool to discover this week that even in my very tiny town, there is actually a group of Bitcoiners and people who see the world a bit more like me
this is a good opportunity to spend less time on these slop platforms and replace that time with touching grass and reading the classic's of the western tradition
Reading classics of western tradition is what got us in to this crap in the first place.
Chinese history - long term struggle to resilient, vibrant trade dominance, might be a better option.
Trump has lost - and China knows it.
We know it. That's why we're here on this slop platform .
It is obvious you haven't been following what the developers are working on, right here in Primal. Check out Bitchat and Whitenoise - two apps for privacy and Bitchat especially for communication when the internet is down.
And yes the grass is still green.
I'll up hold my heritage tradition and culture to death have fun reading from http://en.moe.gov.cn/
I have been following what has been going on and have seen those platforms and will use them to push the western tradition to those who will not disregard their forefathers
Same Motives, Different Tools and Methods
The sheeple
Jurisdictional permission Intranet was always their goal from the very beginning
They tried and failed in the 90's to the Open Internet, they are trying again with the help of permission access thru jurisdictional stablecoins and tracking spyware
no. this is a dark ages doom thought for non-browser users
***Need for Nostr intensifies***
The sheep will be the death of us all.
🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Have a good look at it so at least you remember one day.
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The KYC-compliant parts of the internet will be the most boring.
and mostly inauthentic
The EU is building KYC into their CBDC linking it directly to the "digital identity wallets" and it comes with your own "individual carbon footprint tracker" (homing device). Think about how bad this is for just a minute. They don't need to kyc the internet, their money is gonna do it for them.
If sell fine French wine , I don’t
Need to
Know my customers, I can argue they all wine lovers . Nothing illegal there .
But if man sell weed , they need to know their customer , in case the buyer is the police 😁
pass.
Most people even my friends don't care about privacy and they totally comply with control systems that are in placed.
There common sense answer to #privacy- "i have nothing to hide"
Sad !
#bitcoin
Well, this explains a few things:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a43469569/american-iq-scores-decline-reverse-flynn-effect/
This is the slow but steady death of internet privacy.
When governments and Big Tech join forces to enforce KYC everywhere, freedom online takes a hit.
Complacency only makes it worse — time to value sovereignty before it’s too late. ⚡️🛡️
we need delay tolerant, store and forward, multi frequency, communication protocols
Even if nostr doesn’t grow substantially, I’ve made so many good connections that will prove valuable to me in the dystopian world we’re approaching.
As long as the existing community and infrastructure is maintained, I'm happy to be here.
Let's talk about the options!
Nostr is the only alternative.
There's a website called pubkey which is like a copy of nostr.
But unfortunately it's invite only and lacks the decrentalisation that nostr has.
And companies will facilitate it
Companies are the primary ones who are vanguarding anti-freedom initiatives and engaging in active panopticon surveillance. ---It's not even at the behest of governments; It's primarily driven by companies themselves.
They already are 😂 you just haven’t noticed yet. You’re saying it’s going to get worse.
They already have…
THIS IS WHY WE HAVE NOSTR NOT TO MENTION BUILDING YOUR CREDIBILITY ON HERE UNDER YOUR NPUB. MY NOT SEEM BIG NOW BUT IN THE FUTURE ITS CREATING YOUR ONLINE IDENTITY....
NOSTR IS GOING TO BE BIGGER THAN WE KNOW ...
next ... RIP free wifi unless you id yourself
That's when we make a decentralized meshnet protocol that gives humans internet WITHOUT needing an ISP.
someone needs an isp connection, but it doesn't have to be you
Be your own ISP. First, Bitcoin was invented so that one could be their own bank. Next, NOSTR was invented so that one could be their own platform. Finally, there needs to be a decentralized network of meshnet "internet boxes" that connect with eachother to make an unstoppable internet; so that you could also be your own ISP.
Wow. You should never use public Wi-Fi.
They already have.
A lot of Bitcoiners jumped on the Anti-Porn KYC fuckery without even thinking about the implications.
nostr fixes it
THAT’S WHY WE NOSTR
This is actually awesome news for NOSTR, since this will only increase incentives to use it over the rest of the net.
The Chinese model is winning.
The Chinese model……?
Complete top-down control.
That's almost all governments and states. The West is becoming more controlling and surveilling than China, however. Full "KYC" initiatives across finance and now the internet seem to be the Western model now as none of this is yet implemented in China.
POST WEB
Have any of the clients made a statement about not complying with the new internet censorship law ?
I know primal will comply. I've already downloaded amethyst from outside the Google Play store.
I'll be deleting primal.
But I'm interested if anyone has said anything because the client I want to use is the one that does not comply
NOSTR and Bitcoin will only become stronger and more antifragile as both of those are tested and as the legacy system continue to corrupt.
i need an espresso .
Already have
Can you share note ids in the future please? It's the correct way to nostr. 
D O N O T C O M P L Y (I will probably do, on my personal 2007 accounts - long live nostr!)
100%
And most will think it’s good for them.
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I'm Australian and I whole heartedly agree with this message, unfortunately.
IDK why, but this reminded me of this:
this is why we need default-private tech
We need to follow closely on what happens in the UK and other countries where they try out the new, stricter controls. If enough people acquiesce, then they will roll out the same controls in more territories.
I hope enough people still remember what happened with the vaccine passports in 2021-2022 and refuse to comply with this.
That's like me saying "The sky is blue". Yeah, no shit.
We are not the most of the internet.
Which side of the Berlin Wall are we on?
I say this is what we see today. As long as there is developers who code for nonKYC, there is hope. And every person that feels extorted due to KYC will eventually seek alternative.
We have to be loud enough so they might hear us, when they like to switch.