delete all IP law
Discussion
Would make LLMs much easier to train that is for sure
why?
Property rights aspire toward social harmony in that they prescribe who gets to use which thing at what time for which purpose. Intellectual property doesn’t have that physical limitation, and social harmony is maximized by removing (unfair and immoral) protections to property over nonscarce and immaterial things.
https://mises.org/mises-wire/absurdity-intellectual-property-laws
spoken by someone without any original intellectual property? if intellectual property was not scarce and was not the entire focus of the digital currency movement (materialism at it peak) - it would not be valuable. the nature of work is literally valuable because in a node-to-node transfer, it is sourced and archived and catalogued. you literally cannot be someone advocating for a digital marketplace and be against ip, and that has nothing to do with common law - actually the reverse. ip guarantees a free flow of data; delete ip laws is like saying humans should not have names and identities.
Yes. Property rights were invented to resolve conflict for scarce things. There is no scarcity with IP. Just accept it and don't fight a battle that you are bound to loose long term.
as a miner: how would you be able to track and trace your targets? lmfao. stupid cunts.
Should be a great step!
CC0 ftw
human use of their devices and ip "law" are and irrelevant correlation -
I think we need a way to incentivize innovation, but exclusive copyrights (especially for long durations, especially if it is easy to make minute changes to refresh that duration) don’t help us compound on successes for further progress.
Created knowledge should be treated as a gift to all humanity. You can think of it as a guaranteed minimum intellectual wage for everyone. The only kind I can get behind.
This means that art can only be funded through patronage
Yes, and that works fine. Consensual transactions only.
It works as long as there is a patron with the same voice as the artist. Also, the artist would say that enjoying their works without any compensation isn't consensual. I'm not an artist, but the argument seems to have merit. I think the question is for how long: a year? Five years? Certainly the current life + 70 is absurd
Yeah, but people will still buy art. They want the physical things. NFTs will sell. Doesn't matter if you right-click-save.
Cheers!
The IP experiment failed in its proclaimed goal of incentivising the sharing of innovations.
I think we should keep Trademark and brand identity; but they're only lumped into IP because administrative fiat...
Imagine Leonardo DaVinci being so broke, that he had to spend some of his best Mona Lisa years patent trolling just to keep going.
It's like that.
FOSS only !!!
Yes.
https://www.gosh.org/about-us/peter-pan/copyright/
With exceptions 🙏🏽
Based
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5A2B3E7D5D8B37F2&si=5huPpn4ZYUDNCUTz Against Intellectual Property - Stephan Kinsella
Absolutely.
Crowdfund IP before release, then release publicly as a torrent.
Artists and inventors get compensated and humanity gets unlimited access.
The library of earth.
It will delete itself
Copyright and patents, yes, in a heartbeat. In fact, I'm surprised some countries haven't retaliated with that already (leaving behind IP treaties).
Trademarks, I'd have to think more about. I'd like to avoid having consumers who think they're buying A actually be buying B pretending to be A. Not sure how to do it.
Creative Commons.... Enough said.
Thank you.
I mean, friggin THANK YOU.
Copyright can be returned to contract law, where it belongs.
Patents are a perverse twisting of reality
"If the game is inescapable, It's better to be an artist than a denier" - intro of laws of power.
IP can be used to stop corporations like meta and X from using Nostr inventions that would force adoption and prevent them from robbing the Foss world. It all depends on its application and how it's enforced.
Open source Cash App
Wish more people on Nostr were talking about this…
only takes a few 🤝
That would be me out of a job then.
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Gracias Satoshi 😉
I am one the baddest writer’s on this planet. There is no one in the world who can write like me. This is exactly why IP laws must exist to protect beautiful and exceptionally gifted writers like me from being exploited by other people. And, for the one millionth time… it is not okay to hack into someone’s private dm’s and steal all their writings and ideas and searches on Twitter and then pretend and act they created it. It is DISGUSTING AND VILE AND WRONG!! It happened to me repeatedly, we’re talking years of my personal writings and my private musings, thoughts, searches and saves *STOLEN* I let it go it should have been over and done with but now my private computers and cell phones are stilled hacked TODAY!! You just want my attention!! This is not the way!! It worked but there are better ways to get it!!💋🦁💋
Only someone who likes to steal others people’s work will think this!! Every creative person deserves the right to make a name for themselves *FIRST* Once the artist releases their work to the public on their terms it’s fair game. People will naturally copy and dupe and emulate, in many cases taking it to the next level!!!
IP laws work. This is why Craig Wright is hiding somewhere in Asia!! IP pirates and people like Craig Wright who exploit IP laws are exactly the same as people who steal other people’s private DM’s, writing and creative content. And then go on to stalk and hack and threaten and harass people 24/7 to mine them for creative content!!💋🦁💋
Jack didn’t stutter
When ideas flow freely, value grows exponentially.
Bitcoin has no patent
Nostr has no gatekeepers
And open code builds unbreakable culture
Ideas cannot manifest if research is not profitable.
Removing IP laws does not necessarily make research unprofitable. Secrets can still be kept in until the point of release. And even if your competitors copy you, you still have a first mover advantage, and more time to improve your product
What if you outsource production to China and the sister company copies the product without having to pay for your R&D?
Your fault for trusting them without a written, signed, and enforced contract and without purchasing insurance or securing an arbitrator to compensate you for violation of the contract.
IP is more than patents, it's also trademarks. If I try to imagine a world without trademarks, the picture in my head seems pretty chaotic, poor little me second-guessing every product at the grocery store.
Then grant funded research … must be really profitable.
“IP for me but not for thee.” Why do you get to benefit and profit from IP laws but no one else? I think there should be even more IP laws now that people can just sneak around and hack into people’s private computers and DM’s steal whatever they want online and hide behind the keyboard!!💋🦁💋
It is not acceptable to hack & steal someone’s private unpublished work!! But I do believe there needs to be IP reform and more severe consequences for people like Craig Wright and ruthless IP pirates who exploit the system. Also, effective safeguards, swift justice and compensation for their victims. These cases shouldn’t drag out for years.💋🦁💋
" [...] intellectual property is a State based
haven of the weak, the stupid, and those lacking confidence in their own ability."
A law that is harder to implement than deceive is a non law anyways ..
Open source fixes it !
No it doesn’t. I am so appalled by these things you have written tonight. “Speed & execution” is why precisely why we have rampant scams & tokenization. Bitcoin is *PRAXIS* I am praxis. We all can “ship” with speed & execute if we were to go around stealing other people’s private and unpublished work and content without consequence!!💋🦁💋
make all the IP law useless building agorist tools and networks that bypasses them and make the gatekeeper cry
THIS is the way.
and the less-rivalrous, less political path.
opt out.
LOL. There is no competition. I have already won. 👑 I have created a brand new orbit rendering anything that seeks to intercept or block *my* God given path obsolete. If you step to me I already know you are defeated. I don’t compete, especially for what’s already mine. I attract & create.💋🦁💋
I just know you are not talking about competing with freaking Communist China like we’re not already inundated with fake Gucci and knock offs goods galore. Removing IP laws grants China even more leverage.😫
~Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~Sun Tzu
I was responding to this.
“Speed & execution does not justify stealing. Everything I see today is mid & quickly forgotten.💋🦁💋
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I just don’t understand this. “IP for me but not for thee” is right. You recently closed litigation on the trademark you filed for Block. HR Block sued you over that. IP laws protected you and both sides eventually came to an agreement. Now after you won and settled your case, suddenly it’s no IP laws for anyone else. Just no.💋🦁💋
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omg. It’s 6am and you’re still going on about this. at least the creators work wasn’t stolen even if the pay and royalty is bad, they are able to establish their name and likeness on their owns terms and timeline and have proper credit attributed for their contributions and work. and also opportunity to seek and negotiate a better deal. those opportunities and deals can even seek and follow them.💋🦁💋
The system we have today is the one where artists and original creators get next to nothing and studios, lawyers, and publishers get practically everything and manage to retain ownership of work they didn’t create and invention they didn’t invent basically indefinitely.
Maybe consider that the law that you *believe* protects them, doesn’t actually do that, when the real world results suggest that the creators aren’t who the law benefits. 🤔
Then don’t delete the laws, change them.
And what if the laws are self contradictory? If I come up with a cool idea for a new tool, and then someone else takes their own resources, time, and energy to build a similar tool, then there is no way I’m NOT the one who is horribly immoral by sending armed thugs to their property, and destroying and stealing the results of their work.
You cannot own an idea. The very purpose of an idea is to share and communicate it. And everyone is richer for it.
This is the entire idea behind open source and why it remains so successful and such a foundational part of the digital economy.
And all you need is contract law. You do not need copyright law in order for something that is like copyright in practice to naturally emerge within networks.
Either way I agree, radical change is needed to the structure of laws around intellectual property. I say this as a filmmaker, storyteller, and media creator.
There are many more models than, “send government goons to attack anyone who copies my work or uses my ideas for their benefit.”
This open source thing has become a religion to you all and you’re very much losing your clear vision
This kinda tells me you have no argument, or at least this is the most empty and meaningless thing you’ve responded with so far.
“Open source is your religion” following my simple, truthful statement is so wildly out of context it’s crazy. I said open source is a significant part of the foundation of the digital economy, because it factually is. Your response shows a greater indication that you are hiding some sort of ideological bias than myself by far. Because you can’t handle a simple statement about it without making the wild leap to implying that “you’re in a cult and I’m ‘the science.’”
If you’d like to study up for the argument later, it centers on consent, ownership and distribution of power.
Ok, so still don’t have too much time to go into this, but IP laws have been around a long time, with the first showing up with the Greeks and Romans and even the Egyptians. The Greeks established their original IP laws over recipes! No joke. A person with a proprietary recipe was granted Intellectual Property Rights over their recipe in this instance for a period of a year. I can’t remember exactly what the Roman’s used them for, I need to look it up, the Egyptians used them for art- mainly pottery. These civilizations and the civilizations since have recognized that human creativity is a bedrock of a thriving society and that creativity needs to be protected to thrive. Americans did wage a war with England over IP laws when they wanted to establish themselves as an industrial power- you can do the research there, so IP theft is also deep in our roots, but once it was all sorted out, America became a sort of IP law superpower. Here we are today. The current push by a very few to diss these is a push for themselves to make more money and have more power. They want to avoid the lawsuits on the backend with AI applications, etc. it is an affront to democratic process, personal agency and consent. Laws can be tweaked if they are not truly benefiting creators and this is not that. Following proper IP protocol hardly impedes creativity- only profitability. You are easily able to use snippets of any song while having fun mixing in your basement… only when you want to publish that song for your own profit must you consider it. There is much more to say, but not enough time to say it today. These efforts by these evil actors will eventually if not immediately be futile. The human spirit has always and will always prevail. Be well.
just ignore it.
The difference in reception to this on nostr vs X wasn't surprising I guess, but nevertheless entertaining 😅
Oh ok. Delete all card processing fees, financial transaction fees and rewards. Be more lame, Jack.
Intellectual property isn’t real. A proper understand of property rights leads to this conclusion
No law is better 😁
AI will obsolete IP laws
Ideas are not scarce and therefore cannot be considered property
Wasn't it Billie Eilish who released “Ocean Eyes” herself on SOUNDCLOUD back in 2015 and thus became widely known?
Just imagine it had Zaps integrated already 10 years ago...
Yup!! And we don't need force to apply trademarks. Nostr enables digitized trademarks as a natural right. Trademarks are the only part of what is called "intellectual property" that is a legitimate form of property right.
There's a way to apply for trademarks today without using the State. It's called the blockchain.
True. Blockchain allows permanent storage of data that can be transmitted everywhere, but that's probably overkill for most people to use when they can just do nostr, unless there's a usecase I'm missing. It would make sure you reach everyone to see hey, this is clearly me and this mark is associated with this public key. However you can verify that it's you with just regular ass asymmetric encryption and relays or other services for that purpose.
100% tariffs on all IP... 🙃
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All modern innovations build upon the foundations laid by past human achievements. It was suggested to transfer intellectual property solely to acknowledge the creator, without granting rights to restrict its use.
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IP law can feel like a bloated mess, stifling innovation more than sparking it. The system’s often just a playground for big corps to flex their legal muscle, not a tool to empower creators. A complete overhaul—or yeah, maybe even "deleting" the outdated bits—could free up so much creativity and progress.
Thomas Jefferson passionately disliked them, if I'm not mistaken.
Good. Controversial take: I'd delete all data protection laws as well. The government should not tell people how to handle data, but companies should make it clear in their policies. Startups or side projects would be much easier to realize in Europe if you don't have to go through thousands of clearances to store something the user gives you voluntarily.
If you give someone your data and don't anonymize or encrypt it, it's your fault. The internet is literally like shouting out stuff into the world. There is no right to delete information from space after they are broadcast, much like you can't just snap your fingers and expect your mistakes to be erased.
So Tidal don’t have to pay artists?
Sounds like a move streaming companies would do… ok I don’t think your as horrible as Daniel Elk (who isn’t even a real elk ffs) but if there’s a way to not pay people for their art, he’s gonna use it.
delete Coinkite then
Isn't this also the End of Privacy? When all your secrets are not your prperty anymore.
People are so used to being robbed blind by the state that they have 0 desire left for any kind of "charity" (unless it involves the state giving them a break on the robbery).
That case of mass-scale Stockholm syndrome insanity brings about the mistaken argument that value for value wouldn't work.
Patents are meant to protect innovation, but often they do more harm than good.
In 2011, Google bought Motorola Mobility for $12.5 billion to shield Android from lawsuits by Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle. Once the job was done, it sold Motorola to Lenovo for $2.91 billion. Motorola’s innovation legacy was never revived.
And out of 17,000 patents, only 18 were used. The rest just sat there. Meanwhile, companies like Qualcomm and Samsung faced 9,423 IP rejections. The unused patents blocked progress in the telco industry.
For smaller players, innovation becomes expensive or impossible due to licensing fees or legal risks.
Patents create dominant players who control entire markets. They block competition and stall progress. Even something as small as a connector design can shut out small builders. And if those patents are buried in some corporate junk drawer, they can hold back entire industries.
China does the opposite.
Although the maker culture started in the U.S., it thrives in China. Cities like Shenzhen and Guangzhou are global prototyping hubs where entrepreneurs build custom devices with low friction and high creativity. In the U.S. the models are operating out of fear and protectionism. If the U.S. wants to compete, it needs to let creativity, imagination, and innovation thrive without drama.
The irony is not lost on me that one system empowers its people to build freely, the other seems to question their ability to innovate.
Before Tesla came about, GM and Ford were early movers in the EV industry but could not scale so they halted it. A few years later, Elon comes around, he understood that a fast-growing EV ecosystem would benefit everyone. A global hardware supply chain cannot thrive with one player alone. By open-sourcing Tesla's patents, he flipped the traditional approach, built the ecosystem, and ultimately led the market.
Can Open Source Win? It already has. Jack and Elon prove it everyday.
So do other billion-dollar open-source companies like Red Hat, MongoDB, and Redis Labs who hold it on their own as they go against big tech players Oracle, Microsoft, and Google. The power of open communities and network effects is real.
If the U.S. wants an innovation-driven economy, it has to let go of the fear of being copied. Hoarding IP has slowed it down. Sharing might just move it forward.
Hey Jack, how are Indigenous people protected from having their IP taken and profited from by non Indigenous people, corporations etc? The classic example is people selling art that is called ‘Indigenous’ and the artists are not Indigenous and maybe now not even a person, just an AI? In these kind of examples, the Indigenous folks are not able to earn profit from the value they have provided? I understand IP law is not effective, so what recourse do Indigenous people have?