it’s disappointing so many bitcoiners use x more than nostr
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Its disappointing how boomers let the US leave gold standard but here we are
I share your sentiment nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx
I’ve worked with addicts most can’t let go of what’s familiar, even when it hurts them. Disappointing, yeah, but even if one Bitcoiner switches to Nostr, it’s worth it.
1) Remove X from home screen.
2) Replace with Nostr client.
I can understand how it may be confusing to use for some
I did this with Reddit. Vibes are so high I can’t even.
However this thread that we started ends... I think we can all agree that Reddit is a hell hole and all of us that managed to escape it are better for it 🙏 (looking at you nostr:nprofile1qqsr7acdvhf6we9fch94qwhpy0nza36e3tgrtkpku25ppuu80f69kfqpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09ug4n6q3)
Never had X on my home screen to begin with. Amethyst only 🫡
exactly nailed it🎯
I’ve removed X from my Home Screen and replaced it with Nostr
Agree...
But Nostr is just too difficult to use.
I try, but I get so little reactions to anything that it feels like a shore to post on here.
For what it’s worth, I never got into twitter/X since it seemed to optimize for echo chambers and kept reverting from chronological feeds to try to feed me crap.
I check nostr for no more than15 minutes every few hours, I get caught up on stuff and respond to posts, and I feel like I actually have positive relationships with strangers thx to zaps. Pretty good deal
I only use Grok from X.
I'm a real Nostrich bitcoiner 😎💪
They're into Bitcoin for different reasons than they're portraying. I think it's that simple.
In it for the tech? They'd use Nostr.
In it for the revolution? They'd use Nostr.
In it for NgU? There's no reason to use Nostr.
who is they?
Any Bitcoiner that doesn't use Nostr.
Ah, Derek Ross is better than 90% of Bitcoiners, nice.
I don't make the rules 😂
You ARE the founder of Nostr, so you kinda do: nostr:nevent1qqs2usay3alcusl76msrsexnttczvu75luwczvnfy4mcayawxedzpesppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qgsr7acdvhf6we9fch94qwhpy0nza36e3tgrtkpku25ppuu80f69kfqrqsqqqqqph9j9gh
😂🫂 How's the negotiation going with BTC Media about doing the Bitcoin world record transactions at the Nostr Lounge?
"Negotiations are like a good cup of coffee—sometimes you just need to let it brew a little longer. ☕️✨ Excited for what’s brewing at the Nostr Lounge! #StayTuned"
He’s the founder and CEO 👨💼
Strangely enough, Bitcoin and NOSTR are both amazing yet orthogonal worlds. I’d even say they are entirely independent from each other.
👍
NgU more with zaps
They'd have to use bitcoin for that to happen.
I wasn't into lightning until nostr
I believe it. In the early days, I had 100s of Bitcoiners DMing me about setting up a Lightning node, or having a node and never opening a channel, or which custodial wallet to use. I was shocked. Shocked! That's one of the reasons why Nostr is so important for Bitcoiners. It allows them to stop just talking and actually get involved with what they've been preaching about. Using Bitcoin isn't just a once a year event at some conference or meetup. We use it every damn day and all day long here. Let's go.
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Also, and this is something I see relatively regularly, but I think people are too focused on engagement. For whatever reason people don't enjoy posting into the void.
The idea that there's no algorithm and they're not being constantly feed Either derisive or positive content is something most social media users aren't really ready to wrap their heads around.
Most social media the goal is the high score not the true interactions
I don't post hoping to go viral here, it is just fun if anyone else wants to fuck around
Most peoples ego has an insatiable desire for attention
I love NOSTR it reminds me of early days of internet. Not everyone was there as well, but it just was better
Being in it for all three is a beautiful place to be.
Is Dan Held here? 👀
Case in point.
Shhh don't give him ideas
Nostr tech and Bitcoin tech are two completely different "techs".
They are not bitcoiners
They are clowns
Let’s be clear
preferring to support a one server centralized app over a distributed protocol built by bitcoiners, especially with the backdrop of the last 5 years, is one of the more bizarre things to witness
I agree. I'm left scratching my head at the number of 'maxis' who still don't use Nostr. The two things are so philosophically compatible.
Most are MSTR experts and say Bitcoin is for holding and enjoy custodial wallets. Saylor is also their hero.
Everyone starts using Nostr at the time they deserve.
I don't miss X.
There bitcoiners and then there are people who own bitcoin. Freedom money and speech go hand in hand.
I love when we team up brother, the amount of therapy we provided in the replies is a great value for the time invested.
Probably they are not true bitcoiners, I don't know.
Front run them, build real connections here! look at any social media platform before the top users are usually the ones that were first and got rewarded for it
Network effects are difficult to overcome.
Autists are stuck in their ways
Disappointing is a nice way to put it. I think it’s just pathetic.
Yeah, it is a bit disappointing—but maybe NOSTR is something that speaks more to the new generation. After all, Bitcoin itself started over a decade ago with early adopters who saw the future. Maybe it’s just NOSTR’s turn now.
Can they really call themselves bitcoiners if they are not on and using nostr? “But muH reach” and “I make money on X”… yeah they make fiat… yes I can understand using it to make a profit, but why not do both equally and at least making real money on Nostr doesn’t require a middleman
You literally need to be on x 24/7 replying to all the comments on your posts to make any sort or real money lol
Xitter is helluva drug
Reason might be instant gratification pandemic. Nostr isn't that. Here you gotta have just a little bit more patience and will to learn new stuff. Most, doesn't have that itch.
Are they really bitcoiners, then?
There is a cool kids table on nostr that is hard to get into. Not everyone feels welcome.
Twitter is great for drama and memes 😊
Odell, recently signed up X user who just used primal and zapped you for the first time. Feels liberating!
it’s also disappointing so many bitcoiners use fiat more than Bitcoin
Beta boys
But it is good to see everyone exercising choice
If people talk about anything else important like climate change they get shadow banned hear as well
idk i post here
It's disappointing so few people develop STEM skills....and then hivemind repost ra ra content.
This app does not work. I hear you guys promoting it on podcasts but when people come here and try it and find you can’t even add followers it’s not a good look. If the devs want it to compete with x make sure its basic functions work…. Implement the same features and algos that twitter is using and ppl will come over here if it truely is censorship resistant.
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How / why do you compete with something else while also having the same features?
UI?
🤣
If it looks exactly the same, and feels
exactly the same, all I have to do is say we have feature XYZ the other lemmings app doesn’t have and the herd will flow over for a year or three 😂.
By implementing the features everybody wants and uses those other apps for but improving upon censorship and shadow banning….? The censorship resistance is this products USP.
Nostr as a protocol had to sacrifice the ability to implement many of those basic-expected features in order to provide a basis for the unique features that it does implement.
Consistent follower lists are not that hard to implement. It amounts to one NIP. It's getting everyone to agree that is the hard part.
We could say the same about USDT zaps.
Not sure about that. USDT zaps are very complex as you are mixing two chains, two protocols and two layers. Client consistency can works in a single NIP as NIP-05 has proved.
I mean USDT over LN zaps (via taproot).
But zooming out, when new people come over I think not being able to delete posts in the same sense as Bluesky or X is a big one. Granted that screenshotting exists and things cache all that—but there is still a deleted-enough threshold that people expect.
It has boggled my mind every day since day 1 that nostr identity is based on bitcoin taproot. Yet none of the clients use bitcoin taproot. Seems a waste and I dont quite understand why. There must be something deeper at play.
It’s a odd one. Having kind0 events under a most-recent-overwrites logic is strange. Replaceable events in general I've never understood. Seems like a worst of both worlds situation.
I don't see normal everyday folks complaining about 30day bans. Only non NPC characters care.
Luckily, the Mute button works…
What are you even saying 😂
Algorithms.... Feed your monkey brain 🧠
and when you routinely don't see content that was posted but can open up damus or nostur and see the content not displayed on primal it makes the whole experience frustrating
Must try Nostur now.
Never trust anyone who uses "ppl" ( sic ) because it means he types with two thumbs and hasn't really learned about technology other than it's something you pay for.
You curate your own feed here. Yeah okay adding followers might be a bit of a pain at the moment but if you want the same mind numbing algorithms stick to Meta or X
I see you!
And algos twitter has...
Sigj.
🤟🏴☠️💜
We are too early.
Nostr is not an app, it’s a protocol. Primal is the client (app) I use to interact with nostr and it works just fine. If you want it to be the same as X, you might as well stay there. I like it here better.
most of us don't want the same algos that Twitter has!
I don't understand the part about adding followers. How does someone add followers on any platform? Attract, yes, but add?
Which twitter... old twitter or X? Because those algos changed then in that switch AND again and again later.
ok.
the solution is simple. take your retard normie word salad, go back to x, and stop coming here. 🙂
problem solved!
No algorithms. No advertising. If that's what you think makes an app work, you're drowning in a debt based world while we are building a wealth based world. To each their own.
the choice of using an algo would be nice tbh
You are your own algo..DVMs exist too.
Following.space
If you want an algorithm that controls what you see, that's up to you. I don't want to see them applied on any apps that I use.
Even as an option?
Why would I want someone else to control what I see on my feed?
To help you.
As long as you can see that the answer is subjective, it's fine. If I'm following thousands of profiles, I might want search algorithms that can help me narrow down my feed based on subject, or locale, or whatever criteria. But the use of such algorithms needs to be under my control, not turned on by default.
You are your own algo.
Thate the point kinda
I give last chances with 𝕏 and they failed me , for some reason to many Bots spam and weird algho that disadvantages . it used to be oke until it is not oke anymore . too bad really ,
I used to use 'X' (or Twitter, before it became 'X') until I discovered I had been "shadow-banned" for months without having any prior idea (except for a lingering suspicion). Nevertheless, it's easy to sign-up for 'X' and there are no weird connection issues to struggle with; although we now know that Twitter was infested by Bots. Otherwise, for those looking to use 'X' from any platform, it just works, and is stable.
With Nostr, we have a wonder-work that sure looks like it is chock full of potential. But for new Users there exists an assault coarse of obstacles to overcome that have next to no explanation (such as which Relays to connect to), and this "secret knowledge" is therefore opaque to all those who don't yet have a friend who's a Nostr Developer / Expert.
On top of which, there's too many unfinished Nostr projects floating around that have been left free (without adequate explanation) to cause a nuisance.
And if you are like me (I don't own a so-called 'Smart' phone out of choice) and use a Desktop to access Nostr, then you'll soon find you are being penalized for not squinting at a tiny screen being held in one's palm, and and building an over-muscularized thumb.
Primal sits at Nostr's leading edge, but its focus is dedicated to the Mobile Community. Many features that you take for granted, we PC Users simply don't get to use because the two forms of access are following very separate development streams ... with Nostr Agents for PC Users at least 1 year behind. Zapping is easy to implement on Mobile Phones but far more difficult to do the same when building for PCs.
I am not picking on Primal here. Far from it. Because this is a uniform reality that currently effects the entire Nostr space.
X is way better than Nostr, that's why. And there is no demand here for any wide variety of content and barely any engagement.
The only thing X has on nostr is the network effect if you ask me. That's why a lot of the people are still there. They have cultivated giant followings. Otherwise it's a hell hole.
I want to add this though. Nostr is so much more than a twitter clone.
Is still at the "but who backs bitcoin?" Stage of general understanding...
I dunno about using the words "only" and "network effect" in the same sentence.
Many times network effect is like 99% of the battle.
Yes. I do not mean to imply it's an insignificant difference.
Its insurmountable if all nostr is is a FOSS twitter clone, honestly.
But I also think is looking at Nostr the wrong way.
Twitter is like Television.
Nostr is like the internet
For years TV ran on the way it had and even though the internet had ways geeks could download TV shows and even some streaming here and there people still used their DVRs and cable etc.
But over time the internet ATE all that. It was not just a better way to do TV, it was a paradigm shift.
Nostr has this same potential in my humble opinion.
The Twitter like clone is really just a single proof of work application. People are developing new things on it that never existed before. See #safebox as a good example.
I think a Nostr 2.0 has this sort of potential, which means at least a few breaking changes (and many more non-breaking changes, but anyway you only need one breaking change to break it). nostr:nprofile1qys8wumn8ghj7cmgdae82uewd45kketyd9kxwetj9e3k7mf6xs6rgtcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qqswuyd9ml6qcxd92h6pleptfrcqucvvjy39vg4wx7mv9wm8kakyujgjygks2 is keeping good track of this.
Nostr 1.0 I don't think can scale due to certain laws-of-physics walls it hits. A lot of smart people here are dedicating a lot of braincells to problems that are already solved—it's just that the solution would mean a breaking change and there is an understandable fear of that.
Nostr 1.0 is still great for B2B and other things where the problems Nostr 2.0 solves come less into play. But for what you speak of, I think there are a number of breaking changes that are necessary.
Says the owner of..get this.."front run tech"
Ironic 🤦🏼🤣
What's ironic? That I'm on Nostr and can actually be objective about it right now?
Do I really have to explain..🤦🏼
You obviously prefer the legacy tech over the cutting edge. #NOSTR is the front runner in my humble opinion.
By all means, be objective.. open discussion is paramount.
But.. you may wanna change the name of the company you own. 🤷🏼
Do you have no understanding of how new tech, especially a network, works? The fact that I'm on it before 99.99% of people means I value owning an identity. But if people cannot be honest about the current state of the network and where it drastically needs to improve, then it simply won't eat the internet like everyone wants it to...But, yuh know, don't be muh front run tech because you said something objective about muhhh Nostr.
The X algorithms are designed to find content that generates an emotional response in you. On X when you say something retarded everyone jumps in to call you out.
On Nostr we curate our own feed. If you say something retarded, we tend to just ignore it.
There's no problem with Nostr engagement.
What he said 👆
Nice to meet you jordan 🤝😉
If you are looking for content, demand or engagement, you are already setting yourself up for failure
Engage more and be someone engage worthy.
Definitely a lack of the celebrities, tiktok dances, and insta girls / of girls selling sexual thirst. This is a quiet period before the arrival of all that. It'll be inevitable.
A traveler approached a town, saw a man sitting on a bench outside.
“What are the people like in this town?” the traveler asked.
“What were the people like where you come from?” the man asked.
“Oh, they’re spiteful, petty, argumentative.”
“Yes. You’ll find they’re pretty much the same here,” the man replied.
Later another traveler approached the town, engaged the same man.
“What are the people like in this town?” this new traveler asked.
“What were the people like where you come from?” the man asked.
“Oh, they’re heartfelt, generous, wonderful.”
“Yes. You’ll find they’re pretty much the same here,” the man replied.
Twitter sucks. But it's algo makes the rage bait endorphins flow. For a similar engagement on nostr requires YOU to put in the work. I barely use nostr, and I actually like it that way. I am #nostronly
You have to curate your feed if you don’t want that.
I NEVER scroll the “following” or “for you” feeds.
They try to murder your brain.
You can follow someone, then hit “follow all” posts (I have like 10 people I really like)
Only look at that feed. Pretty good signal
There is plenty of demand here for a wide variety of content
Bring humans if you want engagement
If you're ok with your posts going to a centralized computer before being posted, fine, Xwitter will work.. You don't like that idea, fine, Nostr can help. It's not really a competition.. I like having options. Obviously, since you're posting on Nostr, you don't mind having options either.
Ask Elon to join Nostr.
That which centralized platforms giveth, centealized platforms can taketh away.
Bitcoiners still using X, probably still have a bank account and buy and keep their coins on exchanges too.
Getting permanently suspended from X forced Nostr only. More than that, it made me look at ALL centealized platforms—YouTube, Substack, etc—with caution. Looking for alternatives.
They’ll find out.
One way or another.
Not me. 😀
Maybe they're interested in things other than Bitcoin
The Bitcoin Breakdown newsletter always curates a few njump links in all its issues.
Sometimes the majority of links in a particular section might just be njump links.
It will also have coverage about Nostr-native tools and projects and opinion articles published on Nostr.
just because someone owns some corn doesn't make them a Bitcoiner.
I am guilty of still using X
I like the idea of using it to broadcast content on
But I don’t socialise on X at all
That’s much better on Nostr, a true capital allocation for the future
its disappointing so many bitcoiners pay with usd more than bitcoin and you shill jacks bitcoin usd loan bullshit.
It's critical that we continue to do so, because if the goal is adoption than just chatting with the existing crowd here on Nostr is not going to do anything to help bring more people in. It may be based on the profiles that I am following in my feed, but the VAST majority of content I see here is directly developer or Bitcoin related. It's a tiny sub-set of the content that we could see if 8 Billion people were constantly posting their entire lives on it. We know that is the goal, so we need to focus on steps and milestones needed to reach that goal.