Should Non-OnlyZaps users should still be able to send likes to OnlyZaps users? I think this one struck a nerve which I kinda get. My reasoning was they wouldn’t be able to see it anyway so why provide the option, but people don’t seem to like having the right-to-like removed.
Discussion
I want it gone from mentions/notifications… but I’m happy to expand a note to view them.
which because of other clients not implementing yet is kinda how it works. The badge works well to let people know you might not see
This is an interesting mode I have not considered…
I think what most respondents fail to consider with “but you can react with responding” is that if you want to highlight responses in a future build those should be meaningful or remain a zap.
This.
Personally, I don’t see the point of sending a like if the receiver can’t see it.
One could always send a 🤙 in the comments?
People can be very inflexible 🤙
Isn’t the point of liking something so the receiver knows you like what they wrote? I say no. Don’t allow non-onlyzaps users to like onlyzaps users.
👍🏻
🤙
Let them be able to like 🤙 even if we #Onlyzaps can’t see it..
I see what you are attempting to do. Correct me if I’m wrong, you are trying to drive engagement but more authentic engagement. Your theory is that if someone can’t like, they will be more likely to comment. It will be interesting to see if that happens. I think a lot of people will just replace the like with a 🤙 or 😁 in the comments?
I think onlyzaps also devalues the zap. if I can only zap, suddenly it feels less special. I will interact with posts less because I don't want to zap everyone.
My initial take is that I like that it goes away. “Likes” are cheap and even cheaper if they are only sent and not received
How about you take it away and see what happens? 🫣
I’d say no.
Being opinionated is not a negative.
People won’t like change.
🤙🏾
Exactly! Change takes time and not always comfortable!
Let go of the like ✌️
Good call. I wish I could like this!
Unless people consciously choose to adapt to change, they will stay with whatever is comfortable.Getting them to make chang means ux must be almost like ' a dummies guide to ........ (fill in the blank). It's the instant gratification thingy.
Do not restrain freedom, EVER.
Do not force poeple to your path.
Do not take their options away.
Nothing is worth as much if it is compulsory.
I know what I'm talking about with every cell in my body and every breath in my lungs.
They can comment with a 🤙 and we have more engagement and this is a win for us.
🤙🏻 notes on relays are taking a lot of resources, and (at least for me) mostly serve as “note read” indicator. We can try running both options and measure how well it’s doing! 🐶🐾🫡
I like this!
I think this is a playful knee jerk reaction.
It’s an interesting experiment. You have the option of rewarding, engaging or share. That’s plenty…
I use the like button as a personal “read” flag mostly, bit useless
Other friends can see you liked somthing and they can zap it if they want. For exame I will be happy with a like from youor any other hot shot here under my notes because it attracts poeple anyway.
I’d love for them to self reflect n see what it is that they think they feel when they “like” someone’s note.. what a like means to them doesn’t mean the same for the receiver most of the time, so either way there’s a disconnect there. I’d love for them to interact in the comments of a note more than throwing them a like, it’ll be more rewarding for both users at the end of the day.
Yes, I agree if that is the outcome that occurs. I think testing it and seeing what happens will be great. I think we would all want more comments and engagements vs likes. I’m not sure that would be the outcome. Let’s see!
I’m getting 10x more comments than before I love this
But from who? I think that will be the kicker. Will the lurker who only scrolls and likes be willing to jump into the conversation? This will be the test. I can’t stop commenting 🤣 so I’m not a good test subject.
Engaging in response takes effort and time, the latter of which is expending value of the sender despite no sats being sent.
I like the positive reactions as a way to skim a thread or feed and note what I appreciate without leaving the app.
Zapping is a very lengthy process for me on mobile, and usually takes over half a minute to accomplish (I'm using Amethyst, pay with Breez, and on a 6 year old phone cause I'm not rich)
On the receiving end, I don't get much engagement. I rarely post memes because the time to prepare and post to me is better spent coding. But I'm not a Nostr dev funded by Jack or the community. I'm just working on my own open source projects for Bitcoin that have existed longer than Nostr. Check it out at nodeyez.com . So I'm happy to see the little engagement I do get whether it's a reaction, a zap or a comment.
Exactly! I also think part of the pushback is that people may perceive “only zaps” as begging for money especially when a user is not an active participant or developer on nostr. If you’re not making tangible contributions to the community, then “only zaps” can feel like virtual panhandling. However, people have the right to engage or not engage, so it shouldn’t be a big deal or create such strong reactions from people.
₿egging for zaps? I am weaning myself off the non value content I produce. I would rather receive nothing rather than a fake smile saying i saw that. If I can’t rouse 1 sat from you the value is 0.
We have a digital currency to express value.
Do you all want this to be OnlyRich platform? Cant we poor ppl express ourselves with likes?
One sat is currently $0.00028 USD.
If you don’t value a post more than $0.00028 then do you really like it?
There are other costs than cents. Holding wallets that you have no control over do not appeal to everyone. The time it takes to research holding or hosting it yourself is a cost.
One USD is 520000 in my native curreny right now and going up! It's 3 hours work for a lucky worker.
We dont all live in a blooming economy!
💯. Not everyone lives in trillion dollar economy.
On Nostr we all live in the global economy. Post good content and get zapped sat-value for content-value.
I think the goal is to have more people comment and engage vs using the likes.
By forcing ppl and taking their options away?
This path is a very dangerous one, leading to dictatorship and tyrany. Im living in such an environment at the moment.
You aren’t forced to do anything. You can comment, zap, or ignore?
It is bad enough that there is no dislike option here.
What if I dont want to leave a comment and increase their view?
A sat is like 1/30th of a cent?
Someone being upset that they can’t send a 🤙 that the recipient can’t even see, says a lot about the sender IMHO
⚡️zaps give the recipient value
🤙is a no-cost way for the sender to feel good
Nah, let’s fully commit to the zap experiment. If it ends up being a shitty experience, can always go back to they way things were.
We’re in new territory right now.
I may need help at tonights meetup to get my zapper working
I like it.
1/ As long as you can still comment than it’s still egalitarian.
2/ It would be nice if you could only zap a fixed amount with one press of a button. Ex. 21 sats. And posts were filtered based on sats total. This way it shows real exchange of value. It’s less about the author making money, more about high quality value signaling.
3/ you can try it for 3 months and if it’s a failure add back likes. If nothing ppl will at least talk about it :)
Does it ultimately matter if the person is not going to see your like? You’re liking a post to show appreciation. Why not just comment instead or zap them a penny?
1) I don’t think someone else’s choice should restrict what I can do. If you want to ignore likes turn them off for you. If this is some theory of Engagement then likes should be off for everyone and let that be the Damus experience.
2) If a user turns likes back on in the future shouldn’t they see the likes again.
3)This feels like blocking and filtering to me. You choose your experience. Not someone else’s experience.
☝️this. Among other things, it just makes sense technically. As an Amethyst user, I like OnlyZaps users left and right. I can't even tell the difference 🤷♂️
OnlyZaps all the way
I think a big reason they don’t like it is because we’ve become habituated to hit “like” for posts that we want to associate ourselves with for whatever reason (in a work setting, I think it’s mostly performative).
And of course, posting a like is the lowest form of commitment in social media, easier than any other form of engagement other than simply viewing. I suspect people still want to fulfill that “habit” but don’t want to put in the extra effort of commenting or zapping.
I believe in time, zaps will replace likes universally. It’s the logical endpoint when you have the ability to send digital value instantaneously. Pushing others towards that endpoint isn’t a bad thing. But it will be uncomfortable for many
which nip is for the one-click zap again? the damus calling #[2] is averagely taking 5 sec!
Why do people care so much? Don't like it? Fork it to do what you want, or use a different client. I'm tempted to make an 'only likes' Damus fork, just cause I like to watch the world burn
I think this is a terrible idea. This would be essentially waving a "Bitcoiners only" flag to any newbies curious about joining. Not every Nostr user starts out a Bitcoiner. And if they feel they have to be to join they just won't join. This is like the anti-grownostr.
#[0]
I was recently convinced into nostr damus by my husband thinking that we were zapping and receiving zaps to show appreciation for work or hobbies that people are showing. If they feel forced to zap, maybe we should at least have reaction buttons to show how they feel instead of just a “like” button. The like button seems too nonchalant.
There’s a lot of misinformation about this feature. It does not disable likes for other people. It just turns off likes for people who enable it. I don’t see why anyone would be upset about this.
You are basically only giving them an option to respond OR zap, which they are zapping, but are receiving ‘likes’ instead. It would make me feel like it’s unfair and I would consider leaving nostr.
You don’t have to enable it… nothing has changed for most users. This is for a select few users who prefer not to use likes.
Maybe if you give onlyzappers the option to toggle the features on their posts to remove or have the like button on the post for others to either onlyzap/respond or all options
The feature as implemented today ONLY changes the view for the user who enabled OnlyZaps. Nobody else sees any change and can still like their posts.
Maybe this was lost in the #onlyzaps name, but it’s really about zaps and comments. If you are inclined to like something, you can do that with a comment. I have found I am engaging in comments more without having the 🤙 to default to. #onlyzapsandcomments
I routinely like probably 50 memes a day. I do zap sometimes. But I also don't want to comment on every one yet still want to show support. Likes are the most time efficient by far.
Was thinking more along the lines of users being able to go to their profile setting to remove the like button from other users on their profile. Comment , repost, or zap only for your notes only
I'm an absurdist. So I like taking both sides of the argument to the extreme so people can see how silly bickering is. But to truly be serious there's good points on both sides. So like... Why not both?
People like liking. Sometimes they want a "I like what you did there but it's not something I want to zap", meanwhile other people get flooded with stuff and want to minimize their notifications, or think of it like "well if it's not worth my zap it's not worth my time". So like... Why not let people zap and let people who don't want to see them just not get the notification?
I thought all of this was toggle-able any way?
I live my life by 3 rules ok, and this falls squarely into for 1. You do you because I'mma do me🤷🏽
Stop getting your panties in a bunch. Let them like and don't be mad when the guy doesn't respond to your like because it wasn't worth his time 🤷🏽🖤🤍🖤🤍 kthnxbye
Do we even need a like/zap distinction? Why isn’t a like a zero-sat zap, or a zap a like with sats attached?
Won't it hurt creator's engagement? I mean just liking gets it noticed and help zaps flow.