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It is hard to create a new platform in this day and age... So many have come and gone. Some had great promise only to be lost in partisan politics.

I am hoping noster can last, but I also need to be able to be who I am and not be shut out.

As a Bitcoiner it seems like trying to help make Nostr last would be part of the perogative

Still feeling my way around, will be starting up my own relay soon, building stacks for zaps, listening and learning....

Need to get my social media mojo back.

You're gonna crush it sir 💪

Started the relay, didn't quite do what I wanted it to but it is running woooo hoooooo

Now to start adding goodies to it.

whit 1mo ago

Remembering that Bitcoin is 17 helps me to attempt understanding. Seems appropriate all the teenage things of growing into an adult are taking place right now. Meaning #bitcoin is still finding its place in the world: this includes social media for some.

In the past I asked others where their morals are if they support X. I’m not the most tactful sometimes but they were my friends.

I get staying on x, but positioning yourself as anti Nostr or just generally mad about it is something I see way more than I'd expect

whit 1mo ago

Humans always human. Almost nothing surprises me anymore. Maybe I’m jaded 🤣

Chicken Legs 1mo ago

Those influencers are already monetised on those platforms? And get way more views or sale conversions there because that’s where they’re already established?

I’d say the majority of influencers are not entrepreneurial.. So they’ll stick to what they know or whats easier to copy, instead of exploring new markets.

I agree.

I guess I'd just expect more of them to see the opportunity on being early here and simply cross posting isn't much work

Chicken Legs 1mo ago

Yeah haha I would’ve thought so too. But I think people prefer to copy others success rather than carve out their own.

I guess that’s why new bitcoiners often enter the market on a high, not a dip..

Human nature

Just seems obvious to at least cross post here as a bitcoiner

Chicken Legs 1mo ago

Yeah.. It’ll catch at some point I imagine. Hopefully the push in some countries for social media to require ID or be linked to a government registration, will actually push nostr uptake closer to a tipping point.

In my circles I’d never known of anyone to make the switch to nostr before, but now I know people who are talking about it. And they’re not bitcoiners. Sometimes you just need a slap from the system to wake you up

VampireMJ 1mo ago

Bitcoin doesn't succeed, FIAT is failling.

Nostr will not succeed, legacy social medias will fail.

I think it's perfectly understandable that some people like talking to lots of people, and that talking to far fewer people would make them sad.

It's a difference between the desire to talk to lost of people who each are less powerful on average and to talk to a few highly motivated and action oriented people on Nostr

Each has value and it's not much more effort to do both

Could be if nostr gets to 100k daily actives in the next little while and retains a bitcoin focus we'll start to see some crossposting. But that's quite a big ask.

cross posting is not a big undertaking and we already see it today

Depends how you see it.

These days social is just as much about replies as posts, and you can't 'cross reply'. You have to manage two separate reply workloads. That can get heavy.

And, as that meme guy Corndalorian has written PhD-thesis length posts about, if you're active on nostr you have to be active in a nostr-native way or else don't bother. Why take the heat? Look at all those that came, tried to cross post, and then noped on out.

And third the quality of interaction here is only good in patches. Often it's pretty low, a barrage of LFG!, or Be Humble®, or laser-eye memes, or parroting this trend or that, not real debate at all. (Or just the void.) Gotta be a bit careful when we talk up the quality of interaction here versus X.

Plus, as mentioned, there are so few people here. Bluesky is tiny, and nostr is over 100 times smaller than Bluesky. It's hard to express how small of a group we are in terms of being a "network".

I'm thinking it's on nostr to find ways to grow that don't rely on shipping in these thought-leader types.

There's value in just having a presence

Net negatives are a real thing.

Jaret 1mo ago

Anti-nostr = anti-freedom

Anti-freedom != Bitcoin

Those not into it or opposed are likely into ngu > fgu.

My guess is the greater one is self custody sats vs hot/exchange only, the higher likelihood they are into nostr.

Nostr is living on the edge, it’s fun, and it’s freedom data and runs in tandem to freedom money.

Both are essential to each other.

And Nostr is so much more to what the internet used to and can be.

It’s a very exciting space.

LiveJazz 1mo ago

Chicken/egg problem. Influencers want a larger installed audience before moving, but the audience won’t be driven to move until there is more action here.

Personally I like the relative quiet and intimacy that Nostr offers and will be sad when it outgrows this phase, but I understand it can’t be like this forever if the goal is to render Twitter irrelevant.

the peak value time to go hard on nostr has yet to be reached.

If you go hard now youre going to benefit from adopting earlier, but you have to wait longer for the big rewards to come

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 1mo ago

The real reason to be early is to start establishing a record of yourself, if who you are matters. Nostr allows me to keep facts and proof available to discredit people who lie about my public positions or stuff like that.

After being banned from places like facebook and reddit without having good backups, I notice the importance of this

LiveJazz 1mo ago

Yeah, I do get it if someone’s income or business depends on some degree of Twitter engagement…but it seems like at a minimum, influencers wanting to move but holding out could start posting first to Nostr and then elsewhere a few days later where the post won’t inherently be stale if delayed (eg reacting to breaking news).

Incentivize dedicated followers to move.

there is a big opportunity to steal contents and crosspost on nostr.

I'm not an expert but you can crosspost all your favorite influencers from X, reddit, telegram, mIRC, and gain followers without work ;)

Micha 1mo ago

Nostr doesn't have Ngu

Satoshiii ˗ˏˋ⚡︎ˎˊ˗ 1mo ago

💭 Some bitcoiners treat Nostr the same way nocoiners treat Bitcoin comfortable in the old system, skeptical of the new one that actually fixes the problems they complain about.

If you’re a creator relying on X, you’re basically building your house on rented land. Nostr is the first place where your audience, your identity, and your content are actually yours. That’s why the hardcore bitcoiners aren’t “trying it,” they’re migrating and not looking back.

It’s not about clout. It’s not about being early. It’s about opting into the protocol layer instead of the platform layer. If you can see what Bitcoin fixes, it’s wild to me that you don’t know what Nostr fixes.

Maybe that sounds “deep in the weeds,” but honestly?

The weeds are where the signal is. And Nostr is pure signal.

Is this ai?

Satoshiii ˗ˏˋ⚡︎ˎˊ˗ 1mo ago

Satoshiii ✌️😅

poorbitcoiner 1mo ago

It helps to spot who came for the money not the technology

nostrrocket 1mo ago

Addiction to noice perhaps.

👨‍🚀

nostrrocket 1mo ago

Or one day they bring their followers here. Once they discover opportunities and experience enough pain and time that has been wasted on x.

linah 1mo ago

It might be that they didn't use it enough to "get it", nostr:npub1klkk3vrzme455yh9rl2jshq7rc8dpegj3ndf82c3ks2sk40dxt7qulx3vt said it best, using X and other legacy social media show you stuff based on an algorithm but nostr has Bitcoin payments behind it so it shows you what you would like. "And so we build a way to send and receive Bitcoin so that your friends see what's the stuff that you like. And that's a social signal that's not just likes and reposts but a real monetary cost of, hey, I value this thing. And nostr:npub1dergggklka99wwrs92yz8wdjs952h2ux2ha2ed598ngwu9w7a6fsh9xzpc has the perfect line of, you wouldn't zap a car crash. Car crashes are something you just have to look at when it happens. You don't really want to see it, but your attention is drawn to it. You're somewhat tricked by your brain to actually look at it. But you wouldn't send money to it for how great it is. so we have a car crash economy in our attention seeking in the legacy social media that makes you see stuff that you don't really want to see but you're forced to look at it because the algorithm chooses to maximize for your attention and in nostr we can simply make that obsolete" from nostr:npub1dg6es53r3hys9tk3n7aldgz4lx4ly8qu4zg468zwyl6smuhjjrvsnhsguz podcast. I had never thought of it before but yeah some people believe more noise IS more relevant unfortunately.

Martin 1mo ago

Not sure if Gigi's analogy holds. People definitely pay a lot of money so they can see car crashes.

Various videogames which are all about triggering spectacular crashes were big hits in the 90s.

People also love car chases in ever action movie ever made and the car scenes in MadMax are legendary.

I get what he means, though.

Charlie Andrys 1mo ago

Yeah, Nostr is pretty nuts.

Adam Dunlap ⚡️ 1mo ago

Problem is the diversity of thought here feels small. Good Bitcoin content but not much else

https://youtu.be/BCQUruIK7fc

That is the one thing that has killed numourus SM platforms this past 10 or so. They became to niche and self serving

That said, I joined nostr last week, I already am getting the same feelings as twitter in the first few years. I am finding my voice again without fear of being shut down. I have found some interest groups that are not pure Bitcoin (or even sats). I never was about chasing the followers (I follow/followed by about 500 on twitter) so maybe that is the difference I don't know

I just installed a relay that I am still configuring, looking into some of the use cases, etc. It is not all that hard but yes it is not easy to find YOUR nosters....

Thomas 1mo ago

It IS that deep and that is the problem. Bitcoin is everything people don't get about computers and money. Nostr is everything people don't get about algorithms and hidden incentives and social engineering...AND you have to get bitcoin first (or something like that). Most people are too broke and exhausted to even try to figure out bitcoin. Its nearly impossible for me to get my friends to use a more private messaging app because they don't get the PRINCIPLE. Then try to get them to reject their dopamine addiction to a social media platform they have used since they were 12 for something that doesnt hijack their reward system...that just a few weirdos use to talk about solutions to problems they have never thought about? Tough sell.

47 1mo ago

it’s short bitcoin energy all the way down

dagwood 1mo ago

Enquiring minds will always go deeper.

⚡₿it₿y₿it⚡ 1mo ago

Bunch of larpers out there

70

Roboto 1mo ago

Those other platforms are brainwashing and extraction centers.

Micky 1mo ago

I think the great G Edward Griffin, Author of The Creature from Jekyll Island says it best:

money and chat are two comunication forms, they both need and free medium. the difference is money need wide consensus and standard to be useful. everyone have to agree on the same money. so bitcoin is the standard.

nostr is nice but not needed to be a standard everyone agree.

some people may comunicate using others protocols and auth systems and be fine.

Not saying everything else is bad

Saying the lack of curiosity is curious

Des Imoto マキシ 1mo ago

Agree. Strange. Especially since Nostr and Bitcoin are integrating free speech and money thus also being free market place.

almost every bitcoiner I know tried nostr.

it is simply not needed or urgent. they know it is here, they know it will be here when needed.

Rizful.com (zap tester) 1mo ago

testing zaps for this note… we made six attempts to⚡zap this note, at qttamxf1ze@lnmarkets.com, over a period of about 2 hours. six of the zaps were successfully paid... please check for 6 satoshis received. problem: we found that your lightning address server **did not* properly produce zap receipts, and/or didn't send the zap receipts to the relays specified in the zap. (the zap spec requires that the zap receipts be sent to the relays specified in the zap.) this means a nostr user who zaps you might not see a number appearing next to the ⚡ icon after zapping.... if you wanted to fix this... you could try getting a free rizful lightning address -- https://rizful.com ... if u get it set up, pls reply here so we can do this ⚡zap test again.

sadly your server ask for private informations like email, and do not allow temporary or anonimous mail. you are not nice trying to sniff users.

please don't spam me, I'm not here dancing in the street for pennies

Rizful.com (zap tester) 1mo ago

"and do not allow temporary or anonimous mail" -- please see the faq directly on our home page: "Please note that you MAY use a privacy-preserving email service, or a "hide my email" feature (like on iOS) when signing up for Rizful."

add an option to get a nostr able lnaddress signing in using npub/nsec what is the problem? why emails? I don't need email if I have nostr.