I asked why people are still on X over at X. Looks like lots of people over there do not like nostr
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Many of us who support freedom tech nuked our Twitter accounts. Perhaps a screenrecord with comments? This is how closed off Twitter is now. 
Iād love to see what they had to say but not going to X to do it.
Mmmm I just realised.... #nostr take a lot of Mobile Data.
Now I switch to Wifi Only... š³
I mean, Nostr is pretty much a bitcoin echo chamber right now. That has its pros and cons.
I get much less bitcoin related content in here that I used to on twitter.
These days someone started posting again about the halving (halvening?). Aside from that I get a lot of tech related news, fire memes by nostr:npub1lrnvvs6z78s9yjqxxr38uyqkmn34lsaxznnqgd877j4z2qej3j5s09qnw5 and nostr:npub1grk0tx6kqzvp86jvxzqmr8va2f0hdklj2xj6qwymf04z0saxhx8svlelrn and nostr meta posting.
Also a lot of private stuff, like Lyn's and Tatum's notes.
Gotta follow the right accounts. I think it takes time to curate a good feed on Nostr but the content is there - maybe less of it but 100x higher signal.
This is why I started the trivia bots and RPG Choose Your Own Adventure bot. I saw that new people needed something that was non BTC related to do on here. I mostly see lots of new accounts playing them and fewer heavy BTC longer term accounts.
I find that automated content is one of the great breakthroughs of Nostr. Some of it is really good and I think will only get better.
I agree. I use AI quite a bit. For mine, if you have a lightning address or even know what it is, great, you get sats if you win. If you donāt, youāre just playing a game for the fun of it.
To be honest I didn't put any effort in curating my list. I pretty much follow back everyone following me that actually posts notes.
Major bonus if they talk about interesting enriching stuff.
But as someone already said, you don't talk 24/7 about stuff other people already know pretty damn well. On bitcoin twitter, where shitcoiners, scammers and nocoiners roamed free, you kinda felt forced to evangelize the white paper words š
On Twitter you also had the āhotā conversations pushed on you because thatās where the engagement was, and those were often debates and arguments over bitcoin with nocoiners, shitcoiners, other bitcoiners, etc. So it was always in your face. Always. Here it turns out that bitcoiners are actually just people with lives and a wide variety of interests, including bitcoin, which theyāre trying to integrate and build into other things theyāre already doing. Who knew? š
Iām finding with Nostr that things get missed because you only see whatās happening in sort of real time. You log on and anything thatās happened a while ago is gone. Maybes Iām just using it wrong, but wouldnāt some sort of other ordering by engagement be desirable? Maybe this is in the works Iām pretty #nostrilliterate
You can login with nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg and check out their trending feed
Any plans for this in damus?
I proposed an idea to help with this, if I knew how to do it I would.
Nostr accounts the repost notes based on certain criteria imitating an algorithm.
Users can chose to follow these accounts or block them.
Content discovery is a work in progress, but is better today than it was at the beginning of the year. The problem you described is šÆ% why a few of us started the nostr:npub19mduaf5569jx9xz555jcx3v06mvktvtpu0zgk47n4lcpjsz43zzqhj6vzk back in January. We post a daily digest of posts by other people about the stuff happening on nostr, and also just started posting a weekly blog thatās more focused directly on the tech updates. Primal.net and Nostr.band have some trending/algorithmic feeds you can also check out.
Nice thank you. I guess nostr:npub19mduaf5569jx9xz555jcx3v06mvktvtpu0zgk47n4lcpjsz43zzqhj6vzk is a manual (and centralised) thing. Where is a good place to see any ongoing discussion and proposals for content discovery? Is it all happening on here in certain #hashtags? Or on GitHub?
Yes Nostr Report is a manual/human effort by a handful of users that met on Nostr, more akin to a newsletter or digest. Good question on where the discussions are taking place. Not sure where, but nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s , nostr:npub1r0rs5q2gk0e3dk3nlc7gnu378ec6cnlenqp8a3cjhyzu6f8k5sgs4sq9ac , nostr:npub1zafcms4xya5ap9zr7xxr0jlrtrattwlesytn2s42030lzu0dwlzqpd26k5 , nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft , and nostr:npub16c0nh3dnadzqpm76uctf5hqhe2lny344zsmpm6feee9p5rdxaa9q586nvr are some great people to follow who are very involved with those discussions and development of Nostr and related apps. Also the devs of the apps that support Nostr communities, nostr:npub1lunaq893u4hmtpvqxpk8hfmtkqmm7ggutdtnc4hyuux2skr4ttcqr827lj , nostr:npub1alpha9l6f7kk08jxfdaxrpqqnd7vwcz6e6cvtattgexjhxr2vrcqk86dsn , nostr:npub1ltx67888tz7lqnxlrg06x234vjnq349tcfyp52r0lstclp548mcqnuz40t .
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When you follow more people some notes are boosted and appear in the feed up to 3 days or more after being born.
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here some bitcoin content, fill your bs bingo sheet:
Bitcoin fixed this
Micheal saylor says
We are still early
Value 4 value
Tick tock next block
Hard money
low time preference
enjoy š§”š§”
you forgot the picture.
Hal-finning
Nostr is its own protocol. It doesn't depend on #Bitcoin in any way.
Thanks for the mention, nostr:npub1vjxq75czca0nswp2f5kgtfyzhynuccdjs29q098rd3kv09k7s6nq39hh7v š¤š
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Youāre right. When I first came here 3 months ago.
I made an intro. as I was building open source at cardano before nostr. I think itās nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424, who commented ābitcoin onlyā š„²
The real question: Did we convince you to go Bitcoin only? š Have we orange pilled you through the purple pill?
Was orange pilled before purple pilled.
Go Bitcoin only, not yet.
Orange pilled and building on cordanoh?
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it looks like we have more work to do.
If itās getting people purple pilled is focusing on social media, it can take awhile due to network effect. How many of your friends in real life or wife are on nostr?
For the āother stuffā, it doesnt require network effect. A good product that solve certain problems. Bullish and letās go
For those of us not on Xitter:
I've found that they A) don't know anything about it and B) think they do. Same with Bluesky, I got called a Nazi recruiter for bringing up NOSTR on Bluesky! š¤£š¤·āāļø
I'm just waiting for the number of my followers on Nostr to be more than on X.
My guess is a little over a month š.
That happened to me back in December š¤£
There are a lot of very valid criticisms over there. The feeds, even when you attempt to curate, are shit. I see you, Derek and McShane every third note and I've put time into use. If I'm used to X, I'm out after 10 minutes due to frustration. That is not even getting into very little return engagement as most of the Bitcoiners here stick to their cliques. Lastly, until mainstream interests are common to see -- sports is a big one from my friends that are on X, it will continue to be fringe just like Bitcoin.
You need to follow way more ppl. At least 500. Curate your own feed. Itās more work for sure but thatās what you get with no ads, algos, etc.
Can you add the follow button option at the 3 dots ā¦ itās easier and faster and more convenient to follow someone just like X and Amethyst?
Interesting Iāll pass that idea on thanks! nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s nostr:npub1zafcms4xya5ap9zr7xxr0jlrtrattwlesytn2s42030lzu0dwlzqpd26k5
What do you think nostr:npub1uapy44zhu5f0markfftt7m2z3gr2zwssq6h3lw8qlce0d5pjvhrs3q9pmv
The follow action in at the 3 dots? So you donāt wanna go to the users profile to follow? I can happily work on a design for it.
Yes to everything you said minus sports. I donāt like sports š
The people are funny. I donāt think that they have seen enough yet from X to make the jump. Iād expect that will change during election season.
I saw the word "hostile" in one of those comments & quit reading.
For me, Iām always paranoid I might be missing something because of some bug. I noticed that when I switched from Damus to Primal, I was getting a lot more in my feed. Damus had forgotten half my relays for some reason and I wondered how long this had been going on. Obviously this is all new and being built, and this isnāt bashing Damus or anything. Just my experience with why I still find myself going on X.
Itās the only place I can get my wildlife news/updates from.
Most of the folks that I saw that didnāt like it were blue checks. That says a lot in my opinion. āš»š«š
40,000 Views š out. The statement was made. 
Like #Bitcoin, adoption for freedom tech is led by people needing it. #nostr is better than X but that's never been enough to break network effects.
Lucky for us centralized platforms can't help but give people reasons to leave.
I followed your link thinking it was a poll I could vote on.
Haven't posted there in five days.
Screw that place.
Every X userā¦ 
Sounds like a common theme: the demographics consist of laser eye bitcoin maxis who are extremely monothematic.
Maybe pushing for zaps that early on was not the best move.
Building topical communities and making them discoverable might help.
Nostr wont outcompete community ( e.g. wildlife ) twitter any time soon.
Twitter will not touch zaps as it has accepted the gulag-coin model.
Nostr clients can provide a unique and superior user experience to users with zaps.
Lol passing custodial ious around is a superior experience? It might be a fun initial gimmick but the novelty has already worn off.
How will a community on nostr outcompete the network effects of community X on Twitter, or reddit?
Where do you see the superior experience that invites a switch to nostr?
I do like visibility and discovery for newbies onboarding to nostr of profiles, or communities they are interested in.
The superior experience is censorship resistence, data resilience, reach, interopability, FOSS clients and no evil Big Tech algos.
Just like bitcoin, nostr does not need a viral gimmick for a quick pump in user numbers. It can grow organically just fine on its own.
This may be a superior experience for you, me, or others here today.
Is it perceived as one by the average twiter, reddit user today? A few years from now?
Maybe the gulag coin model is sufficient to migrate folks this way.
As for zaps being a fad or gimmick, all I know is the note zap ban halted and prevented experimentation on zaps on nostr.
We have more things to test. LN solutions are improving.
It would be strange to throw in the towel on zaps at the end of round one š³ļø.
It felt rushed and not well thought out. It was probably to capitalize on the momentum from jack and snowden's shout out.
Unfortunately, even though many pointed it out (including fiatjaf), zaps were built on lnurl which is a huge centralizing force thar pushed most people to custodial wallets.
Is sacrificing custody really worth for "zap zap zap" memes? Not to mention that zaps came out they are a huge source of noise that drown every other discussion. During a zapathon nostr is literally unusable.
Nostr wallet connect is a much better thought out standard that is nostr native and does not depend on DNS or dynamic webservers with open ports and static IPs.
How would you redesign zaps from the ground up if all of nostr switches to the new zap standard tomorrow?
The idea that it was rushed is so bs. I was thinking about how to do it for like a year and gathered feedback and iterated on it with other client devs at the time. If you have a better design please share it. Itās a really hard problem that took a long time to even provide a somewhat workable solution that wasnāt horribly insecure. lnurl was a pragmatic solution and the most common way to fetch invoices from the web at the time, and still is.
Can I ask why you elected to not have Damus also be a native lightning wallet?
I imagine it was because people would prefer to use their own, existing wallet. NWC can remain a feature for the group that prefers it, but itās still not entirely as seamless as if lightning were native to the app and I could zap directly from my Damus balance.
It adds more development overhead to the app, but thatās what LSPs and APIs are for :)
You say so yourself that lnurl was the pragmatic solution. The PR discussion itself showed a lot of contention and appeals towards a nostr native solution that did not build on lnurl.
I don't want to criticizing you for being a pragmatic builder, that's great.
It's easy for me to just bitch about it without making a contribution.
NWC didnāt exist at the time
Not with that name but the idea of requesting invoices over relays was already floating around at the time. That's why I feel it was rushed.
I still donāt think I would have done that, lnurl was a much more established way of fetching invoices and it made onboarding to services like WoS much easier. There is some fantasy scenario where not using lnurl would have improved non-custodial adoption, but I think it would have only hindered adoption and made it more difficult to onboard wallets who could care less about running a nostr relay.
I don't think it's fantasy at all. Node package managers could easily have offered receiving capable NWC software (when they cannot do it for lnurl).
Wallets could have implemented the ability to pay to nprofiles directly.
Even mobile wallets (such as mutiny) can ran builtin NWC for sending (so why not for receiving).
Would it take more time? Yes. But doing things in the name of fast adoption is my definition of rushing it.
Itās only because of Zaps being demonstrated in practice that there was enough excitement and momentum for building other better tooling and for people to spend the extra time to try more complex setup.
Hindsight forgets the state of mind of people back then.
I recognize there was a demand for social micro tipping. Just disagree on the approach.
This is not just hindsight, check the initial discussions and contemporary proposals.
Even with hindsight, it's still important to reflect back on what could have been better.
Feels like an invitation to post about non Nostr and non Bitcoin topics. Gotta have interesting content to attract more folks.
Or we have to have a set of killer features you canāt get on X or any other social media.
Nostr will require a negative event to see growth.
Stockholm syndrome
Read the replies on nitter.net, wow, forgot how annoying twitt*r people are š¤
I suggested that my sister post art and writing to nostr, but it's way to foreign for her. And ever since I told her that relays aren't obligated to delete your content, she's 100% turned off to it.
But. The sats.
Yeah, she's not exactly a big fan of Bitcoin either. It'll be a long road for some.
And with [NIP-15](https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/15.md) she could have a store up in minutes.
Some people just do not want to be free. It is simple.
Sad but true
I don't agree. People just utilitarian. For example I'm web developer, I need news and ideas from my fellas developers. there's hardly any webdevs here. I understand that this is matter of time probably but how you can force people use nostr if there is just no reason for that
Exactly. Most of the time people prefer utilitarianism rather than freedom. Safety rather than freedom. It is a matter of preferences and priorities. Can not be forced. Nostr will become the only viable social media for those who think freedom is an non negotiable condition.
Can't see comments without an accountš
I see some critiques given in good faith, and those are mentioning the lack of the "network effect" and this being a "bitcoin echo chamber". The first one takes time and the second will inevitably expand in scope once said network effect pops off.
If I were to bucket them:
1. But muh engagement
2. I don't understand it
3. Needlessly complex ramblings that amount to But muh fediverse
The 2nd will get better with time. The others... out of our control.
Need to play the long game. Keep building. The power of nostr will grow over time as the ecosystem expands.
Whatās already built will be a free speech safety net if (when) censorship increases.
I can't read the replies since I am not logged.
Maybe they like to be compliant and forgo their own privacy
Got rid of X a few weeks ago. Never been happier
š¤ itās fascinating honestly what people are willing to tweet for fiat stipends and engagement
I tried to get my wife on board earlier today, got frustrated and went to the gym. Still canāt find her in the search. Donāt care LOL. Im here for the revolution.
Elon and X can eat my dick.
Savage!š
Really great feedback in the replies. All the stuff we know causing adoption friction is in there, with more flesh on the bones. Worth looking through these and taking it all seriously.
The only real reason I found in the comments was that āmost people are still on Xā itās the network effect it wonāt be won overnight.
"I donāt like nostr because itās a BiTcOiN eChO cHaMbeR"
Then come on nostr and talk about something besides Bitcoin. Nobody can stop you.
Word. šÆ
X is like a project mockingbird echo chamber with nothing but politics. And a lot of those folks call themselves patriots but continue to feed the beast of democracy instead of fighting for the republic?
Fuck democracy & fuck republics too. Agorism via uncensored money & uncensored networks for an ancap future. Any form of compromising with thieves & authoritarians is a good way to eventually end up with thieves & authoritarians in charge.
I agree with the democracy point , the Greeks laid it out long ago, the republic was compromised well before my time and thatās what my ancestors came here and fought to have instead of tyranny ,, it is what allowed free enterprise to exist, which is also nothing I have experienced since I have been born (sure I started a company and I still have an insanely small business at this point, but the principles we run on are not from a business book, itās about service and doing good work),, I mean they tried to teach us in school that what we had was free enterprise but those were all lies .
Unfortunately, the Constitution is actually what interferes with free enterprise. The framers put a small part that allows the federal government to control commerce "among the states". In Wickard v. Filburn this was interpreted to mean the federal government has authority over everything from how much wheat you can grow on your property to whether you can have a bag of plant matter in your pocket. When you give a centralized organization absolute power, they can interpret any document to mean whatever they want.
The American experiment was a failure. The goal of creating the smallest & most restrained govt in the world produced the largest & most corrupt govt to ever exist.
Minarchy doesn't work. Doing the same thing & expecting a different result is retarded.
The mistake made in the creation of the US was the legitimization of theft. If taxation had not been allowed then the govt might have remained a polycentric service organization. But when some people can legally steal from everyone, they have zero incentive to give a shit what anyone wants.
And really there is no such thing as a voluntarily funded govt. The thing that distinguishes govt from any other business or charity is forced funding. A voluntarily funded organization must compete for supporters & can go out of business. If it can't go out of business then support is not voluntary.
So anyone who is consistently opposed to theft, extortion, monetary debasement, etc must be an anarchist.
Failure? Because absolute power corrupted absolutely , because the use of technology was high jacked and used to get people to believe in it and then to protect it and vote for it?
Is it America running America ? It seems more like the enemy has us destroying ourselves while they sit back and eat popcorn?
Iām totally against insanity
The creation of the Us was the legitimization of theft ? How so? Did America also start the slave trade?
Some folks get shot point blank when they are stealing , how come we donāt see bankers and cops š®āāļø n the take laying in the street with politicians aside them?
Iām not an anarchist , but I believe in the best of people whether they do or not thatās for sure .
The US ended the slave trade, that was a major source of its success & prosperity. But creating an organization with the power to tax is legitimization of theft. It doesn't matter how you dress it up, "pay me or have your stuff violently taken & be put in a cage" is just plain theft. And the expansion of that theft has brought slavery back in a different form & destroyed the country. There are only 2 ways to deal with people, you can trade & otherwise interact in a voluntary manner (offering value for value), or you can deal in threats & force. If it's voluntary it's not taxation.
Govt is a religion that also benefits from Stockholm syndrome. It has songs, symbols, statues, monuments, ritual ceremonies, sacred halls, sacred texts, black robed interpreters of said texts, violent foriegn crusades, etc. And most people think of govt as the biggest scariest thing around (which isn't an accident). If the biggest scariest thing is on your side then life is generally okay, even if they mess up once in a while. But if the biggest scariest thing is actually working exclusively for your enslavement then the world is a terrifying place, so people refuse to see out of a largely subconscious sense of self preservation. And the govt takes it a step further by manufacturing large external enemies that supposedly only they can handle. Foreign govts with no history of military aggression outside their own borders become major threats & "terrorist breeding grounds." While the US is often literally arming the terrorists & invading their lands in an effort to radicalize them. The randomness of weather gets transformed into pending climate doom. An engineered cold virus becomes an excuse for global tyranny. The threat of aliens...
A system that only works with the right people in charge & that has no way to prevent the wrong people from gaining power is a BAD system.
If Wholefoods got thousands of dollars from you every month whether they stocked anything you wanted or not, how much incentive would they have to carry anything you wanted? Would voting for a different guy every 4 years be a decent way to get more of what you wanted in the store? Now add the fear & the religious devotion to the store, does it get better at serving people or worse?
You can often feel the difference when dealing with any "service" that is funded by force or govt protected. The DMV, TSA, Post Office, your local cable or power company, the VA or Social Security office, hospitals, banks... How do you feel when a cop is behind you in traffic? Do you feel protected or afraid? With all these "services" generally the lines are longer, the interaction is more about telling you want to do than finding out what you want, they often literally give you busy work, and the service is usually just bad. "We can't help you without multiple forms of ID." "Fill out these forms for the 100th time." "We need to fingerprint you before we can cash that check." "You have to submit to body scans & searches & hand over that tiny knife on your keychain if you want to fly."
And there are still more structural problems... Generally speaking I have little reason to care what my neighbor drives, but what happens if everyone has to vote on what people are allowed to drive? If I want to drive a Honda & my neighbor prefers GM vehicles, now his preferences are a threat to me. Deciding anything politically is extremely divisive. The more important the issue (education, security, healthcare, freedom of trade, freedom of movement, etc) the more destructive to peaceful relations & overall function that voting & central management becomes. The only way to solve this is to let people trade & decide things for themselves. And if you don't want anything centrally managed or funded by theft, then why do you need a govt?
I agree with many of your points (and could probably add examples to prove some of them),what ever system we end up with, Iām feeling better about it having #nostr and learning about view points like yours and others , I certainly donāt see how what we have now could ever be reformed , whatever it is we will have is going to have to be some built from the ground up.
I might add ,, I think Aaron Burr ran against George Washington. I believe Burr ran on immediately immancipating slaves, and I think that would have been a much better beginning instead of like you explained we have become , it is theft and slavery , the taxation system we are under.
There was a time when I looked at the founders with great admiration, and believed the Constitution to be some sort of holy document with magical powers to give us freedom.
If youāre interested, thereās a great book written by Lysander Spooner in the 1800s called No Treason. He was an important historical figure that government schools donāt want us to know about.
I have a box of copies of the book ānone dare call it treasonā itās old but highly relevant and a good way to catch up on factual history , much of which has been scrubbed from access. I should give them away somehow I think .
Where is the line then? An association which is free to enter and leave at any time through which political will could be expressed but otherwise has no powers, is that still a government?
Thereās got to be some form of rule without rulers that blends out the State?
Bitcoin is rules without rulers. Nostr is rules without rulers. Private security & private arbitration are also forms of rules without rulers. Bitcoin (and liquid) make insurance contracts possible that ensure rules can be established for important business relationships with skin in the game.
There is no definitive piece on the subject as far as I am aware, but I can certainly recommend some books that point to or discuss the sort of mechanisms that might "govern" an ancap society.
The Machinery of Freedom is a good read (unfortunately the audiobook is pure trash). Freedman said The Moon is a Harsh Mistress inspired him to write the Machinery of Freedom. David Freedman (son of Milton) & his son Patri both have a number of decent talks on the subject. I think Michael Huemer & maybe Kinsella have some talks on polycentric legal theory. I am certain I can come up with a bunch more if I start looking through my books & media files.
I think this is an inevitable historical process - a territory is more free, and therefore becomes richer, more technologically advanced, more industrially capable - which if converted to military might allows it to impose its policies and norms on other countries
In the long run this leads to a spread of organizational structures that are more liberal & capitalistic (eg British empire spreading common law) but obviously doesn't directly spread anarcho-capitalism which would be the maximum of individual freedom within a market structure
I think that as the globe industrializes and adopts homogenous and freely-exchanged technology (and especially as this technology makes defensive military operations more cost effective than offensive), we will see stagnation of empire, decentralization, and a global push to liberalize
The Global American Empire (GAE) dominated not because it was still free and organizationally superior, but because it had used freedom to acquire a technological and industrial lead over much of the world. When that technology is distributed across the world, what remains is organizational efficiency. I have extreme confidence that freedom in a private property framework is more efficient than central planning.
I donāt know why anyone would support a Republic, that is rule by the elite. But I have to disagree about democracy because I think they like to slap the word onto monstrous systems. Like decentralization onto a shitcoin.
Democracy as individual participation in power is powerful and why they cheapen the name with straw man tactics that we fall for. Anarchism and democracy are much closer than they want us to realize.
I think all these labels are just ideas , the idea of a true republic came from the Greeks anyways , thatās the idea I support , not the sham republic label on the current America (though itās been this way since before I was born). Democracy has literally become what the Greeks called it, rule by the masses , and the masses are easily controlled by fear and fear has been a tactical weapon used to direct the so called āwillā of the people , though I have seen more folks becoming less afraid lately , while at the same time seeing some folks that keep falling for the same games .
I think we will always have people who end up having more money than others , what causes this can be a multitude of things, I donāt think somethings wrong with someone who has a great idea and ends up producing an exceedingly amount of wealth ? I think lifting people out of poverty takes education and itās not like we have been doing that to our nation the last decade or so.. if we were then I wouldnāt think we would have all our kids on prescription drugs, or the parents either. I agree with the idea of Agorism as well , though there will always be groups of individuals who will conspire together to keep others down in order to be and stay on top, which kind of seems like where we are at, at this point .
They arenāt just ideas. That drifts into understanding them as pure, which leads to ideology, which was invented by Plato.
I have nothing against ideas creating value and wealth as long as the wealth isnāt captured by bureaucrats pretending to be capitalists. A system of individuals participating in power, necessitates power structures and systems that will have a hard time being captured and concentrated.
Yes, the Greek elites were famously against democracy. Especially Plato:
āBy simply reading The Republic (from Book II on, that is), we find the original model of the corporatist utopia that is being pressed upon us today. In the Middle Ages we find Platoās philosopher-king being mixed into Christianity to produce the absolute monarch. We find that same philosopher-king elitism in the thinkers of the current neo-conservative movement. As Vlastos points out, the Socratic āsay what you believeā turns into the Platonic āpurely instrumentalist conception of justice.ā We can understand through the Platonic past the uncomfortable silence of our elites today and their Hobbesian taste for law, not as justice, but as contract and fear. We can see and know that the Platonists are in power.ā
-Sheldon Wolin
Agorism is a pleasant fiction but will never be a reality in any world.
Better to learn to live in the real world and use it to the best advantage of you and yours. Do your little agora thing when you trade a jar of honey for some sweet corn or tomatoes and relish that you have stuck it to the man.
Amen, brotha.
the user experience is pretty awful as well
People go to there to be heard
People come here to speak
You don't get heard there without a blue check
Lol itās prob for the best, at least for me. I say a lot of stupid shit.
Many of us don't have the option of speaking and being heard too. Because much of what we have to say can't be spoken out loud.
Or can only be spoken in a few places. Nevertheless we have the obligation to speak up and say "don't eat those berries, they're poisonous"..š¤”š¤šā£ļøā ļøš¤®š„ā°ļøš
BINGO! Although if a tree falls in the woods and only .0001% people are there ā¦ but still it only takes 1 to make a difference.š
Can you recommend a good client for Linux?
For web clients primal.net snort.social coracle.social If you'r looking for a desktop client I think Gossip is the only linux one, but I could be wrong.
I have snort set up on the browser and gossip on the desktop, but both lack compared to Amethyst. Gossip in particular is clunky , have to manually readd follows andfollowers, gonna try primal and see how it is
i really haven't found anything as good as Amethyst on any other platform so far.
Bandwidth usage is why I only use nostr at home (usually)
I miss the algorithm too. I don't want to have to follow everyone manually
You can follow hashtags. You can also click "follow all" in some clients when viewing another person's follows.
The bandwidth is rough
Bandwidth is cheap
Lemmy.ml let's you chose the algorithm. This would be a good addition to nostr clients
I say leave them there. Most people have to be told what to do. They don't like to think for themselves. You can't win if you have to force them, they have to be educated and want to be here. š«”
I'm on here and some Fedi platforms and I agree with you. I know a lot of nostriches don't like the Fedi approach but I liked the servers I was on. They filled a specific niche and felt like "visiting your local pub". When the instance I was on got overrun with people fleeing various walled gardens the atmosphere completely changed. I miss that pub feel.
The way Nostr works makes it harder for people to come in and kick out the pioneers and try to make new rules, but I still fear that a mainstream Nostr wouldn't look like this.
I reported an account on here a while back that is using a wrong name for their account. Isnāt the golden rule of prostitutes to use fake names instead of real ppl names?
The account has like 5k followers. Can the person who made the account verify their name. Shouldnāt these sort of jobs have more rules so that they cant impersonate ppl that they are not?
If you dont go that route right from the beginning youll end up somewhere denying actual crimes again.
https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum/status/1693523389980315759?s=20
Because some of my friends are still there and I follow some academic/business accounts that are important for my job.
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Crazy how people are offered a way out and they prefer to stay trapped.
Some people like Proof of Work algorithms and some people like to be spoon-fed interactions and engagement.
Are you surprised by these results? How many Bitcoiners are just larping? Starting to question who is real over thereā¦.
I think Nostr clients need to be significantly improved. Simple things that X and other platforms have that nostr clients don't: search others don't work well, slow scrolling, images don't load or very slow to load and stutter, missing other basic features. When these basic things are ready, more people can get onboard.
summary-
1. btc echo chamber culture.
2. ux.
3. data consumption.
I personally don't mind these 3, so #nostronly šš¼ššæšš»š
Soon it will not be necessary to talk about Bitcoin because its concept will be understood by default.
It sucks that I can't view replies without an account.
What a dumb platform.
I actually thought it had 0 replies when I was looking at it .
I hope there's opportunity for non-Bitcoin-related communities to spring up here...and then we cross-contaminate and orange pill them all!
But seriously, people are such herd animals and just follow their flock wherever they go. There will continue to be fuck ups and breaches of trust over at "X" and the whole thing could collapse at any minute, so it's only a matter of time that a transition away from that sinking ship becomes necessary to more, and more diverse, communities.
I don't think nostr takes in the majority of the refugees, mostly because the sheep will flock to corporate social media out of ignorance and convenience, but those few who value security, privacy, and growth potential will wander over here eventually, no doubt.
I love how some of them complain about spam but any trending topic on Twitter slightly related to finance is flooded with shitcoin bot spam.
People need to be told what's good for em , just look at the good pyramid or warning labels or smart watches that tell you to drink water and make "steps".
They are bot on Nostr because nobody told them to, but that dam will eventually burst, just look at the shape of twitter.
In my city public transit providers, the city itself, and a lot of major retailers announce stuff on Twitter so even some of my tech-literate buddies have kept accounts just because they feel they have no choice.
The overwhelming sentiment is that #nostr is a Bitcoin echo chamber.
I challenged one person to encourage his/her 31K followers to join and talk about something other than Bitcoin.
I like it, but it is not polished enough. We are still so earlyā¦
Idk about you, but for me on X, I just RT stuff and I get a lot of followers. And they are 95% asian women, in their 30s, who like posting pics of nature and food and of them exercising. Pofiles look repetitious but real. I can't imagine how my profile appeals to such a specific demographic lile that; doesn't seem organic at all to me. Anything like that happens to you over there?
This is one pattern I keep noticing too: a lot of people seem to dislike Nostr, not just on Twitter. I always get dislikes when I make comments about it on Reddit in places like r/privacy and r/privacyguides. And not once have people been nice about it, or even curious about it.
Which strikes me as very odd, given the disrupting potential that Nostr has to how we use the internet and how that would benefit ppl in those communities.
I think that once Nostr becomes more diverse, polished, and its disruptive usecases grow, we will get people to rethink their opinions. Til then not much we can do imo.
I recommend that you refresh your memory of the "newbie experience" - pretend you just found out about #nostr, create a nsec/npub pair, and load up a fresh damus. Not allowed to add people you already know, just try to find some interesting people organically.
global was so crowded with ass pics once, I'm afraid to switch back to the global feed
Agree with some of the comments on X. Still feels like too much of a #bitcoin and #nostr echo chamber here. Love both but not only.
I donāt have a login so canāt see the repliesā¦. Ah š³
Good critical feedback in this thread
My last post on X was nearly a week ago, have over 12,000 followers on there. Going to delete the app from my phone today and go #nostronly . Not ready to delete the account all together just yet, still some conversion to do to bring over the quality ones.
Nostr reminds me a lot of the Usenet days.
Thatās what I noticed too which is ironic because I thought being a bitcoiners was about being self-sovereign and anti-centralization of anything. I donāt get this affinity to X at all.
They have been captured by X and their algos and network effects to stay on the app.
have patience.
I still don't try to bring all my friends to Nostr.
For the normies, it's important that they get great UX.
For the more tech savvy, most are already on here.
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Nostr is not yet the literary, artistic and intellectual community it one day will be. It's early days. Writers in particular will be slow to adopt at first, then gradually will come to understand the very significant implications for writing, publishing, authorship etc.
Screenshots for the outsiders?
https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_8120653862563927091692714717.webp
A large part of the postings here are like āzapā āzappathonā āzappidizapā āzap is zappiā āIām zappiāā¦ and then postings like āNostr is much better than X, I promise bro, X is dyingā
But there are good stuff too!
the audience is much less and much more concentrated than X. Only bitcoiners and maybe a few people who are into freedom tech are here. X has photographers, journalists, world leaders, etc.
When I talked about it on lemmy most people had a lot of negative impressions of the user base. Additionally and I myself felt this way, a lot of folks felt like mastodon was already succeeding, why have yet another piece of software doing the same thing.
I think the idea that it's relay based is splitting hairs for people, even the people that are willing to try new platforms.
I'll add that while I'm not dymetrically opposed to crypto currencies. Most people are. Because they're ponsche schemes, and some idiot decided to brand it web3 where web 2.0 was Html 5 and CSS 3, and web 3 fundamentally requires money to be transacted over the network.
Who wants to spend money every time they do something? In any case they wanted web 3 to be the brand, now we're stuck with it for better or worse with all the scams on the brand included.
Real.
All we have to do is continue building the tools to make it 1 click easy for normies, and then wait for
Elon to make another Big Terrible Mistake.
The time will come when series of major figures will get kicked off or pissed off by X's China style policies and they will look for a platform that can support them.
They will come. We're on the right path.
Laser Eyes on the Target Goal.
Because the Nostr user experience and content is currently Trash compared to Mastodon, Fediverse, and X
Aside from network effect, I think these complaints summarize it. All highly addressable.
Purely network reach & the "top articles" feature. If not for that I'd have no reason to be over there. And the downsides are quickly reaching a point where they outweigh the benefits.
i think it boils down essentially to lack of notable people on here like celebrities and more famous creator , lack of drama like on x and a bunch of other stuff that nostr dosent have quite yet
1. Nostr image display is very slow.
2. Creator's content reach rate is too low, no one reads the content.
3. Relay settings are too complicated.
4. Complicated installation of various applications. Initial use is very complicated, just how to download from Github, how to install Primal? I don't even know how to install Primal, every application has to go to Github, why don't they provide downloads on the main Nostr site?
5. There are too many spam users, we suggest that we can limit the number of posts per account per day, and if it exceeds the limit, you have to pay BTC 10 Sat to post, so that users can set whether they have to pay BTC to leave a comment or not.
Can be modeled after Odysee posting content to pay LBC (no LBC people can get LBC through the site's viewing tasks), users can also set the message to pay, the proceeds go to the user, this can prevent many Spam users!
6. not as good as Hive or other sites that provide revenue for posting.
Looks like most just don't like bitcoiners. Fair enough, but that will change once other communities find it.
Tried to read responses (no X account myself)... couldn't even do that. Walled garden piece of crap. Glad I'm here not there.
Ideologically, nostr is superior. Most people aren't concerned with ideological superiority. They just want a lot of memes.
My sense is those people will then unfortunately go to Threads or some other platform that uses them rather than serves them.
I was asked by some friends about friend.tech recentlly more instead of X
The way friend.tech is designed for incentive model is so ponzi
and thats why people are crazy to it in a short time.
I think #nostr primary pool of defectors could be Mastodon, not X, because I'm sure there are lots of people on Mastodon who are ready to try something new regarding social media, and usually are discontent because of limiting nature of Mastodon.
A vote was conducted by Japanese individuals.
Q: Where will you go when X is over?
The result is that ļ¼»Blueskyļ¼½ is more popular than Nostr.
The whole webpage is stuck and unresponsive. Your dream is beautiful, but reality is so cruel.
Aristotleās ānatural slaveā hypothesis?
The Nostr clients need to be better. On Nostr I have trouble finding out who commented on my post and who liked my post. Nostr clients need a notification button like X has.
I use #plebstr and #amethyst and they both have notifications features
Really? š
Because X doesn't log in like this.
(Snort social page )
X also helps publicize my posts and keyword searches my content!