Watching conservatives defend ICE is the most Orwellian shit I’ve ever seen. And when they eventually become the targets, cuckedservatives will have no one to blame but themselves.
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It's strange how the people complaining about government overreach now support it and those formerly preaching it are complaining about it.
Identity politics. These people have no ability to critically think. They pick a side and support it harder than sports fanatics.
I don't believe it's overreach. Printing money, abducting foreign leaders and staging coups are overreach. Federal level healthcare that makes responsible people pay more for the bad decisions of the irresponsible are overreach. Protecting the border and thus the welfare of the people of a nation is the role the feds are actually supposed to play. The difference is the last administration didn't do that in the first place.
Detaining people indefinitely without due process is a violation of human rights. The worst fucking criminals at least get a performative court ritual. ICE is grabbing people then asking questions later. No warrants nothing. If they did it to you, what would you call that? It’ll happen to you eventually
BECAUSE NO ONE IS CONSISTENT THEY MUST CHOOSE AN OPINION THAT VALIDATES ALL PREVIOUS OPINIONS
PEOPLE CANT SAY I WAS WRONG!
it sad
Not at all.
You have external forces pushing both sides further apart. It makes perfect sense when you realize it is all just a psyop to divide the country and make it ripe for pure authoritarianism.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
That's how you take over a country like ours. You let others goad you into self-destruction.
To be fair, I never said it was surprising.
yeah the most vocally against state over reach today were the ones must vocally supportive of it 5 years ago during covid
I haven’t fully formed an opinion yet. I’m still learning the facts and not yet forming an emotionally charge response. But what I can say is, the amount of bootlicking I see on here tells me this place is probably infested with Feds. Or at the very least, people who would be complicit with Feds.
I concur. Crazy to think a tiny, extremely tiny, niche of the internet is so full of feds, idf, mossad, mi6, etc
And we are supposed to be libertarians here hahaha 😢
I had been a registered libertarian and voted for Ron Paul lol. Now, the party is so far removed from what it once was. The QAnon midwits co-opted the party and made it some form of adjacent neo-con movement.
That ~ 2013-2014 moment was full of possibilities.
Neoconservatism was clearly dying post-Bush, and there was a real chance to have "Ron Paul in the streets / Cody Wilson in the sheets", so to speak..
But it all got hosed, somehow. People weren't ready I guess. And then a reality TV star became President...
It's because boomers vote and they watched fox and CNN. The games they played to squash Ron Paul are pretty blatant. I recall a Daily Show episode that pointed this out at the time.
The Fed and MiC war hawks couldn’t let someone who wanted to end them become president
Your normie parents and grand parents didn't even get to have Ron Paul's name repeated to them by the news they consumed.
Qanon was a genius psyop on their part.
Intelligence is all over nostr. It seems like they like it.
But why? There's probably like 10k? People here lol
Yeah that's a pretty dead-on estimate, about 10k. Everything is decided in intelligence. They have their fights, and they tend to be quite tech literate, so this new thing is naturally attractive to them. I'm just an observer, though, and can't say much beyond very limited speculation. They're here, though. A lot.
The bootlicking is a problem
Agree with half of this, but not all. The CDC was barring me from going to a restaurant if I didn’t inject myself with poison. ICE isn’t barring anyone from anything. You can ignore ICE, and they will ignore you. Unless of course you are in the US illegally and especially if you are here illegally and have committed another crime. Otherwise, it’s not your problem.
How do they know who is legal and illegal without applying mass surveillance on everyone? Come on man this is textbook power grab.
Palantir is here to help 🫡
Every power grab the government makes to try to fix something will always come back and bite you in the ass. Still having fun at TSA? Getting your body blasted with X-rays to protect yourself from a threat that was fabricated. Don’t forget to take your shoes off and no lotions or shampoos unless they’re tiny.
Not only that but this will be the Social Credit score/ FED coin rollout for all the sheep. Nightmare stuff
wait, 400 Tsa agents arrested...? that's hilarious.
they always have to get me because i'm a nervous flyer and sweat in the crotch
Yes Americans have to be molested so everyone can feel safe after 9/11 which was totally not an inside job
the dustification video of 9/11 broke my brain last year or 2 years ago.
the whole charlie kirk stuff has not helped.
Dustification?
i don't want to break your brain too. That RandomGuest2 fellow shared it if i remember correctly. Dr Judy Woods dustification video. i can't find the original
I muted that guy a long time ago lol
ah, i had the impression he was a softy on the inside.
good thing you muted it then to not see the dustification video.
i was in a civil engineering class and a structural engineer came by to present why the towers definitely came down because of the planes and not due to any other reasons.
That structural engineer sounds like a fed. What about the 3rd tower? 😂
That random stranger guy calls everyone who disagrees with him an op then mutes. Doesn’t matter if the discussion is respectful, he only wants an echo chamber to be part of his nostr experience. Someone like that doesn’t have much to offer. Their opinions will always be fixed and narrow.
i don't think he mentioned a 3rd tower...
it didn't matter if he was a fed, he was a professor paid by the government, so i doubt he wanted to have any crazy opinions.
Then why are you sharing his irrelevant opinion? 🤣
Yes there was a 3rd tower that went down and only two planes.
i know that --now--. i was just telling you historical background info.
there's a word for you: a whippersnapper.
As long as you carry your papers and comply with their facial recognition and warrantless searches of your property
Hahahaha 🎯
It's just "defund the police" all over again. Yes, ICE or the police could overstep, no you are VERY unlikely to be a victim of it. Stop conflating this with real widespread violations like forced injections. It's not even close.
Sounds an awful lot like the libs arguing “no one is holding you down, just don’t go to restaurants”
It’s amazing how they flip flop like that
It’s def not defund the police, ICE didn’t even exist until 2003 when the US used 9/11 to grossly expand every aspect of their war and surveillance state.
I don’t see what’s wrong with defunding the police. I don’t remember the founding fathers talking about a police force in the constitution.
The irony of the "defund the police” crowd is they’ll end up having way MORE of a police state when the conditions become intolerable.
Everyone wants a tidy paradigm that’ll solve humanity’s problems once and for all. The socialists just think if we tried real socialism, the communists want “real communism,” the anarchists want “real anarchy” but none of that shit works in practice. We had anarchy, i.e., the nasty, brutish and short state of nature, we’ve tried communism, and it killed > 100M people last century. There are no isms, no paradigms that will solve the problems of humans living among other humans.
Best trade-off I can come up with is top-down fascist government but only to the absolute minumum extent necessary to foster the conditions for maximum bottom-up prosperity.
That’s messy though because once you have a top-down government, you have to watch to make sure it’s (a) doing it’s job (keeping order, protecting its borders, arresting criminals); and (b) not overstepping its job by undermining bottom-up prosperity with regulations, cronyism, onerous taxation, bureaucracy, etc.
You have to have a government and keep it within these narrow bounds. Does too little, you slip into anarchy. Does too much, you slip into communism/totatitarianism. It’s like water — too cold, you get ICE (no pun intended), too hot you get steam.
That’s a massive conclusion to form. Why would having no police lead to having a massive police state? Not sure how that adds up
Regarding your other point, your argument is that in order to prevent violence and theft, we must enact violence and theft. More specifically, we need just the right amount of violence and theft to live prosperously. Too much violence and theft is bad and too little is bad. In order to keep that balance you’re aiming for, the people have to keep government in check. Well why don’t the people just keep themselves in check? Lmao why do you need the government as middle man to begin with?
1. Because no police leads to an intolerable state of lawlessness, and the people will beg for an overcorrection.
2.. The people keep themselves in check either by doing violence themselves (state of nature) or outsourcing the violence to an accountable third party (police). Doing it yourself works for a small minority of those cut out to be mafia bosses and warlords, but most will choose to outsource. There is no utopia without the credible threat of violence as deterrence. If you don't punish violent criminals severely you don't have a functioning society.
1. So you believe that humans are inherently violent and evil?
2. This is a false dilemma fallacy. There is more than one option.
1. Humans are inherently *capable* of violence and evil, yes because what drives human behavior (mostly) is incentives. If you do not strongly disincentivize violence, it's a virtual certainty that *some* humans will use it against regular people, and society will be at the mercy of those most willing to use it. Libertarianism fails to disincentivize violence against the innocent. Communism fails to incentivize wealth creation among the capable, and when resources are scarce, violence ensues. They both ignore basic, fundamental obvious facets of human nature.
2. There may be other options, but what's not optional is the credible threat of retributive violence should you commit violence against someone else. Again, feel free to live in the wild west and hunt people with your posse if you prefer, but most people are going to want to outsource that task.
1. You didn’t answer my question. But you brought up another point regarding incentives. The system we currently live in, incentivizes the government to be violent. This is apparent given the nature of its actions: 9/11, psyop shootings, MK ultra.
In addition, you’re arguing that violence disincentivizes violence. You’re looking at things in black and white. People are individuals who will always have the power to choose what they want to do regardless of incentives. They can choose to be violent in the current system or peaceful in a different system. They could also choose the opposite, respectively. Since the current system isn’t eliminating violence, then arguing that libertarianism won’t work because it also can’t eliminate violence is not a strong argument. The goal isn’t to eliminate violence because that’s not possible. Some people will act violently regardless of the system. The goal is to not legitimize the violence by saying you have to pay taxes for x y z service that you don’t want.
2. And you can outsource that task once the government is out of the way. But right now you can’t and that service is less affordable due to the nature of the tax system. Remember that the government offers a service. A shitty service sure, but it is a service. And any service that the government offers can be done more efficiently and more cheaply on the free market. So if someone wrongs me, I can pay for a service to enact justice. Rothbard argued that these types of services would be best completed by insurance companies. They have the resources to make you whole. And there’s no compulsion or violence needed. People pick and choose what services they want. And if they don’t want it, they don’t have to get it. It’s peaceful and the solutions are solved. Everything would be better if all property was privatized. The incentives align better that way. No one cares for public property because they’re not incentivized to.
Your question was based on a faulty premise — whether humans ARE evil is not relevant. It’s what they are CAPABLE of doing that is not in doubt.
You can argue the merits of a private police force and the tradeoffs that would entail. But they would still be police and they would still be highly imperfect and not perfectly accountable. But some entity is going to need to apply force to violent criminals if you want to have a functional society, and that entity will be top-down fascistic to some extent, given its power and role.
But it’s self-evident the prospect of retaliation disincentivizes violence. Some people will STILL act violently, but far fewer than if there were no prospect of jail time. And when those who do act violently get got, that’s a measure of justice, which is necessary for people to move on and avoid, for example, multi-generational blood feuds.
Okay so you basically think that the current system with the largest criminals like pedo Epstein clients, central bankers, and warmongers that are literally dropping bombs on children is better than an imperfect system that respects individual autonomy and provides optionality? Please answer this question with a simple yes or no.
These private police forces would behave very differently because they are private and are held accountable by the free market. Private property is different from public property. People take care of private property but people don’t care for public property the same way. And they never care for it to the same extent that someone would care for their private property. This applies to any public and private service as well. All you have to do is consider the difference during your interactions with police and private security. One treats you like you’re subhuman and the other treats you like a valuable asset to their livelihood because your satisfaction with their services is what puts food on their table. The other thing you seem to overlook is the profits of violence in this type of society. You’re not going to get very far in life swindling and murdering people in a society without government. The reason is because people are forced to take personal responsibility for themselves. Don’t trust verify. Notice how in Bitcoin where things are not well regulated yet, Bitcoiners take responsibility for themselves to call out scammers. They’re hyper vigilant and they’re literally the reason I didn’t lose my life savings a few years ago before an exchange blew up. And their hyper vigilance is what led me to become a bitcoiner. The government wasn’t looking out for me. And they’re literally paid to do it. They’re paid to look for crimes and protect us. At least that’s what they claim.
Even if you don’t have a police force to stop a specific criminal. Businesses will not allow that criminal on their property to harass their customers. If everything is privatized, that criminal will not be using highways. They’re not buying homes in neighborhoods with peaceful people. HOAs will keep an eye out for that specific criminal too. Services like neighborhood watches will do their best to protect their customers. People are incentivized to protect themselves and their customers even more when government is out of the picture. The combination of remarkable creativity and problem solving that humans have will flourish. There are cameras everywhere nowadays. It’s hard to get away with anything really. If you get caught, your picture will be shared across businesses. Tbh going to jail in the current system is a much lighter punishment than being ostracized by a society free of government. Whatever problems you are worried about, the free market can solve and provide a better solution to.
Mic drop moment
It's over for nostr:npub1ghcetnluhryhynhuyj8s2pazldjm27wl40nu6dfeskvpv09twcnsneygat
English Common Law functioned well for a millenium without police.
Oriental tyrannies have possessed government police since Antiquity, but the first police force in the English-speaking world were instituted only in 1829.
It is true that we are not the same peoples, culturally, as then, but that should be seen as an illness to remedy, not a certainty to submit to.
Pretty sure they had kings who could just order your execution without due process if you ran afoul of the edicts. Human nature is such that it needs boundaries. The key is to make those boundaries wide and causing the minimum interference necessary. But without boundaries, there is no peace for anyone.
Thomas Hobbes said it better.
But he was also wrong, just a cringey apologist for early-modern Absolutism.
We can all benefit from reading up how past societies actually worked. Mises.org has a great library.
And your solution for creating these boundaries is to give a small group of people the right to do things that others cannot and to enforce that right through violent force? Do you feel that violence is an effective solution to get things that you want with otherwise peaceful people?
Are you pro police?
Why would anyone be pro police or anti-police? I'm not pro doctors or anti-doctors? I'm for doctors who practice sound medicine based on root causes and voluntary consent. I'm anti doctors who are pharma shills who don't give two shits about the person in front of them. Likewise I'm pro police who arrest violent criminals and respect the rights of law abiding citizens. I'm anti police who don't arrest criminals or who intentionally harass law abiding citizens. Why would anyone differ with me?
Police, by their nature, cannot respect the rights of people. They enforce laws on everyone regardless of whether people consent to those laws or not. Let’s say I want to drive my car down the street to buy some groceries. I’m peaceful and engaging in fair trade. A cop pulls me over because there’s no license plate on my car. He holds me at gun point and tells me I’ve broken a law that I never consented to. He hands me a fine that I must pay or I’ll be attacked or thrown in a cage. If I don’t have the right to opt out of these laws, then I don’t have any human rights. Those are fee based privileges with restrictions, not rights. I have to buy my freedom to drive. I don’t have the right to drive a car. I have to pay for it. And police are the force that enables all this violence and theft. So yeah defund the shit out of the police. They don’t respect human rights. Fuck them.
That's like saying "people by their nature cannot respect the rights of people" then telling me how you got robbed. Both police and people must act lawfully in accordance with society's limitations of how one can act. Rogue power-tripping police officers are criminals.
As for society requiring driver's licenses I can see an argument against it -- maybe requiring driving competence before getting on public highways is a net good, but outweighed by the state getting too much control. I can see the case. But the uncomfortable truth is there are always tradeoffs and no "solution".
What is a law?
Yeah bro nostr:npub1ghcetnluhryhynhuyj8s2pazldjm27wl40nu6dfeskvpv09twcnsneygat is lost. He's an cucked idealist.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. America first
you could have ignored the injecitons, too. and ignored all the places that required them. many i know did just that.
No matter whose in charge, don't engage in combat with armed men without understanding that your life is at risk.
Totally sounds like a free society
Land of the free brah lol
You're100% free not to start a confrontation. No one will ever be free from the consequences of their actions.
Your standard for freedom is incredibly low. America has really lost the plot lmfao
Which country allows an individual to assault a law enforcement officer while in possession of a firearm? You can't name one because that has nothing to do with freedom.
This country was literally founded by people assaulting law enforcement officers 🤣
Do they want to put bounties on illegals?
Idk it seems like they’re just figuring it out as they go since they don’t actually have to plan out what they do or worry about laws or consequences
Ew, I dont think it was paywalled before
They should
Each side wants the government they voted for to govern harder.
1000%
At this point I think they need to take a hero dose of shrooms and watch some the horrible things ICE/IDF has done in recent years... Or idk.
They just need to go fuck themselves
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Israel seems more like the ones who have been orchestrating the great replacement and pushing the woke agenda that led to it. The ice raids would be patently against Israel's intentions.
That's because israhell plays both side and screws both the left and the right so they fight each other instead of them...
Valid. Straight out of Rothschild's playbook.
not if all the immigration was always just a pretext for military in the streets shitting all over the constitution
Yes
You’re missing the point. It’s about power. It’s about normalizing life with a military-like force patrolling your streets. People will foolishly believe that ICE is here to protect us until they’re all over the place like the fucking Soviets had. By then it’ll be too late because they’ll easily turn their sights on you.
You realize they make all the surveillance software that the consequences of the policies theyve pushed for (open borders) are used to justify the proliferation of?
This is the EPITOME of a bootlicker. Dude was one of the J6 political prisoners who the feds fucked over, now he is rallying for the same fucking government. Anyone who says these MAGA cunts are not cult members, is clearly a MAGA cult member. My god are people fucking pathetic. Its reported he got stabbed. Good for the fucking stupid cuck.
Pardoned Jan 6 rioter chased from pro-ICE rally in Minneapolis after blasting ‘Ice, Ice Baby’ and threats to burn Quran
It’s all hopeless isn’t it bro
I really try to not think that, but the signs are there. I dont let it get me down though. The mind and the spirit matter more than the physical. Cage me, shoot me, but they will never break me.
That’s why I’m not opposed to the idea of leaving this country. With an American passport, you can live almost anywhere.
Conservatives voted for this, this is what we want.
It’s your own fault you keep falling for the “current thing”.
I didn’t fall for shit. I don’t vote.
That’s exactly what someone who fell for it would do.
Someone who fell for it would refuse to vote?
Youre figuring it out
So your solution is to vote harder even though it always gets worse. You’re actually so retarded that you’re beyond saving lmaoooo Trump gave you tariffs and didn’t abolish the IRS. Epstein clients still not in jail. Literally nothing good has come from this. Inflation is still astronomically high and America is more divided than ever. GFY.
No but democracy is an active process, and if you win you can do stuff -like deport illegals.
Irs was never getting axed if that’s your argument why trump is doing a bad jump idk what to say to you.
This feels like a sarcastic version of what people wanted. We wanted the border secured (check!), a significant reduction in the size of the federal government (Never gonna happen), and a functioning economy where jobs aren't all sent over seas.
I think too many people are trying to picture Trump as 2016 candidate Trump calling out George W Bush for lying us into war. As soon as the party is in power the voters completely forget the lessons they learned.
Watching Democrats defend mass immigration is the most Orwellian shit I've ever seen. They're happy to destroy the nation as long as they get to eliminate democracy. And when they inevitably become the targets of the increased violence and crime they will have no one to blame by themselves.
Of course none of this right/left nonsense matters, it's all a distraction from the actual games of power. But OP is clearly at a very low level of understanding still so let's start out by pointing out the hypocrisy and take it from there.
When did democrats defend mass immigration. You don’t need the gestapo to have immigration enforcement. You are buying into a false narrative and excusing big government because you like seeing your political enemies suffer. You have no ethical code and it’s shocking you are even on this platform.
When did they not, lol. Are you even a real person? Or are you just ignorant of the relevant facts?
Of course I enjoy seeing my political enemies suffer. These people want me broke, dead, my kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny. They must be crushed and destroyed.
More violence I’m sure that’ll fix everything
Defending ice is one thing, defending how it’s going where civilians are being shot and killed in broad daylight on American soil. 😔 I am speechless.
Haha, in the case they will be the target they will use their bull shit fire arms and die like rats 🤣
And they will never pause for a second and think about who is pulling the strings
They are coming here in Italy 🇮🇹 too for the Winter Olympics 😱
Huh?
They wont be targeted by ICE because they are actually citizens.
until today?
He can be deported too. We're done with these deranged people. Pathetic white knight holding his phone for an internet moment.
Resists arrest, writhes with the cops and gets permanently subdued. If this was just a guy in the street and he did the same thing he would get popped too.
Complete clowns
where would you "deport" him to? his home country?
i agree with you that **strategically**, resisting arrest is a poor choice and i wouldn't recommend it. it WILL get you shot and everyone knows this (whether that is reasonable or legal is a different story). but the fact of the arrest itself, and the wider context that preceeded this event... that's where i place the "blame", broadly.
He can go back to wherever his lineage stems from when his ancestors *legally* immigrated from.
More people will die until people respect the fact that the US is a nation of laws. This is not hard or controversial.
lol. is one of the laws you're referring to that natural-born citizens can have their citizenship status stripped and be forcably shipped away to one of potentially dozens of countries that their ancestors came from (a country which may not want them)?
you are not a serious person and i won't see further notes from you. sorry, enjoy your life!
You don't have to go home but you can't stay here! ✌🏼
Good decision to mute him. He’s been muted for a while on my end.
A nation of laws run by pedophiles. No due process just shoot unarmed subdued people lmao GFY bootlicker don’t bother responding to this you’ve been muted cuck boy
Lol seething
What if he were from a native American tribe in the state of Minnesota? I think that you have better arguments than that.
Yeah we colonized those people. I'm not some apologist.
Everyone knows what they are doing in MN is fucked up, but deny reality because it's their political cult.
The left is a dangerous cult. The fact that we're not even going after the left but literal foreign invaders/murders/felons and the left is having a meltdown just shows how NPC they are.
The media is their god and they are propagandized. I have never seen so many people completely entranced by their television. It's like Covid on repeat.
I don't disagree about the commie cult. There is an element of retarded martyrdom. But this is being used to expand the powers of federal government, specifically the executive branch. I think they are tools and so are many of the people who were handed a map, told they where welcomed, and given a debit card to come here and vote.
The creatures who manipulated everyone during covid are still in control and the psyop continues.
Deporting a citizen is silly. I wouldnt want Kamala or O'Biden to deport you because of some Orwelian national security reason. (Aka you have the wrong political beliefs.) I'm sure they can throw a few federal charges at him for obstruction and he would go to jail.
I agree though, I see people doing things that regular law enforcement would shoot them for.
I wouldn't be in danger of being deported because I wound follow the laws. Literally would be the case in ANY country in the planet. Not just the US.
We have a bunch of people that defacto do not believe in our laws or our justice system and they will be deported.
The laws are written by a satanic child abuser cult. Sooner or later your morals will conflict with the laws. Surely this has already happened. Would you mask up and jab up during covid? Something tells me no. Nazi Germany had laws. Communist China has laws.
I'm sure you are a moral person who doesn't follow laws that you think are immoral. I don't think you really want US citizens to be deported for violating laws. You probably just want them to be smarter about things and more civil.
The more communists that show their colors while deporting illegals the better. We don't want them or need them in the US.
You would've fallen for Macarthy's Red Scare in the 50s, huh? You think that desknis gonna save you from an A bomb too?
The communists have been in the country for a long time. They have a whole political party lol.
ICE isn't going after "the left" the media tells you they are. They are going after illegal immigrants.
In the estrogen brain of the lefties immigrant deportations are somehow an attack on their politics
Law doesn’t mean moral.
My great grandmother used to say "legal don't mean right" and she was a rule follower like crazy.
People forget what happened to Japanese American citizens during ww2. No one is safe.
Native Americans were put in schools to "normalize" them until fairly recent history. My grandparents got in trouble for speaking French in school in the 30s and 40s. Like, xenophobia is gross af.
The national language is English.
Doesn't mean they can't speak the language they know. They shouldn't have been beaten for it. Why would being bilingual be bad? Why is communication across cultures a bad thing? Is it so they can be easier to control? Isn't that what happened in the Tower of Babel story? The people were getting too uppity so "the power" made sure they couldn't communicate with each other?
"National" anything reeks of nationalism and that's too close to nazi for me. Thank you, have a day.
Haha ghey
English is important because assimilation is mandatory. The difference between legal immigration of the 60s and 70s is that those people became Americans and merged into the community. Illegal immigration now there is no assimilation, they form enclaves little Somalia, little China, little Mexico and Lat Am.
This degrades America, it's values and it's laws. Have a good day. BOOM.
Which is the language of England, bloody immigrants.
And with those events which cannot be changed, it's the most ubiquitous language to use, that or Mandarin, then Spanish.
Well not quite… comes in 3rd place after Mandarin and Spanish. 5% use english as a first language vs 16% for Mandarin. The sun set on the British empire over a century ago and Americans aren’t very good at sex.
The clock is ticking…
Ice murders two citizens in broad daylight. Are you retarded?
Should illegal immigrants be allowed to remain in a country? They should have been stopped years ago, but the communists wanted to create a stable voting base, so they allowed murderers, rapists, thieves and child sex traffickers to enter the country unobstructed. Who will now clean up their mess?
Just don't obstruct LE and let them do their jobs. If they overreach, sue them in the courts, just like you'd do with a corrupt cop.
And NEVER trust the media. You are shown lies and half-truths on the TV, always ask questions and do your own research.
It’s all manufactured and they will eventually turn their sights on you.
Okay, so the solution is to allow cartel activity, murder, raping, thieving and child sex trafficking. Got ya.
Strawman. If you don’t want to have a rational discussion then get lost.
You said conservatives were mad for defending ICE.
I told you there was reason to defend ICE.
You posted a picture of the slippery slope argument (fallacy?).
I told you what the consequences of not supporting ICE were.
You called it a strawman argument.
I think it is mad to, for example, try to run over a police officer, or any other kind of LE agent while obstructing. Are we supposed to empathize with criminals who illegally cross the border? I don't get it.
Where did I say conservatives were mad for defending ice?
Sir cartels and pedophile sex traffickers are already in the government.
I think it’s crazy that you think any human has the right or authority to be a law enforcer.
You said it in your OP, I'm not going to quote it to you. Have I misunderstood your statement?
Yes, the pedophile people are in the government, and they should be held accountable, but they won't be and that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about ICE and illegal immigration.
That still doesn't change the fact you are letting in more of those people on the streets. Do we need to go over the very obvious dangers with illegal immigration? Because I haven't the time, it's fairly obvious.
You think it's crazy that we have people who enforce laws? What is this nonsense? Yes, I think if someone is a thief, there should be a guard, or a police officer that will use violence to remove that individual from my life and from society.
You need to get your eyes checked. Go read my original post again. I never even used the word “mad.”
You realize that the people you're listing are already in charge and telling you that it's your neighbors that you should hate.
I’ve tried zapping you 3 times today but it’s not working. You’re on a roll 🔥
Biden removed more illegal migrants in his final year than trump did in 2025. You are just brainwashed into thinking ice is about border enforcement. Ice is about an unaccountable federal militia designed to anger blue urban voters so that trump can invoke the insurrection act. Bootlickers like you is why cannot have freedom.
I see no problem in using violence to deport immigrant criminals from a country.
Is that what you think is happening?
Alright, what IS happening?
You are being conditioned to accept militarized federal forces performing duties that far exceed their mandate while you standby cheering on the erosion of constitutional rights. Once you have accepted that murder is a valid enforcement strategy you have lost the plot.
Well said
I just want to deport illegal immigrants.
Cool. It does not require militarized response or a budget the size of the USMC. It’s also not worth trampling rights or suspending due process. Don’t think a roving military force operating inside the country is just going to disappear once all the immigrants are gone? Are you new to paying attention to government?
We'll see how it goes. The more illegals get deported, the better. FWIW, I do think individual ICE officers should answer for the crimes they committed.
In this country you are supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. ICE is making anyone that looks foreign prove they are innocent. There are American citizens that don't look American but that isn't reason to harass them for papers. They all are committing crimes against the constitution.
I've heard ICE agents literally stopping people simply for speaking spanish lmao land of the free 🤡
First Amendment - tear gassing peaceful protests and anyone with the audacity to record them
Second Amendment - “Nobody peaceful brings a gun and ammo to a protest” (exercise your 2A rights, BUT NEVER when resisting the government)
Fourth Amendment - Show me your papers
Which amendment will they trample next????!
I truly believe that ICE will be searching American citizen's cars and potentially their backgrounds, social media, and maybe their phones all to ensure they are "safe" and "not smuggling illegals." More violations of the constitution.
Absolutely. ICE should target anyone that vaguely look European and send them to whatever place they grandfathers came from.
After all they were all illegal immigrants.
Let’s start with this orange moron in the Oval.
K, I'm unblocking you. True words. I hope you understood my explanation so I don't have to do it again.
I beg to differ
You need a boot to lick with the begging?
Chill man
Not everyone will agree with you on everything dude
if you’re not going to articulate why you disagree then just keep your opinion to yourself
Same people driving around with Don’t Tread On Me bumper stickers
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Had a neighbor down the street who used to fly both of those on same flag pole until recently. Don't know him, and never spoke to him, but he took down the thin blue line one, so someone must've had a talk with him.
Respect 🫡
You should try and be friends with him now. He shows the ability to learn.
For anyone that wasn’t sure what the blue line one meant…
https://www.thinbluelineusa.com/blogs/thin-blue-line-blog/what-is-the-thin-blue-line
🧡👊🏻🍻
So a flag representing the cops?
If you mean Its supporting law enforcement, yeah.
I can't keep up with the flags tbh
It was a response to the defund the police shit. Mostly a conservative stance. Very disappointing.
Defund the police was a lefty thing yeah?
Yes which is weird because that’s what I expected the right to be more likely to support. Proving that it’s all manufactured. Each side is just reacting to the other.
You reckon it's Jews?
I think narrowing down all the major problems of the world to a small group of people is lazy and dumb. Trump isn’t Jewish. Biden isn’t Jewish. Bush isn’t Jewish. Obama isn’t Jewish. They’ve murdered countless people. Are they not responsible for those actions?
Who do they do it on behalf of?
Goyim usage is high in America, see Epstein..
I’m not saying that isn’t true. But we should make the people who actually commit the crimes accountable too. Otherwise we’ll always be blaming others. In this ice incident, should we just blame Trump for it since he did it on behalf of Trump?
S'pose
They are not jews ..but are sponsored/ blackmailed by jews. Trump for example is acting like agent of chaos all to divert from epstein files.
That doesn’t absolve them of their crimes. Each party played a role in the outcomes and is partially responsible to some degree for what is happening. For example, police can be ordered to commit atrocities against the public like they did during Covid. Some cops refused to do that. We all still have a choice.
You have now opened up the floodgates to the deep dark rabbit hole that leads to nowhere but a very dark headspace lol. If someone’s mind is stuck in the trap of blaming Jews for everything, that is not a healthy existence. I don’t think any amount of debate will fix that. Psilocybin or DMT might do the trick. Now, just watch them pile on in opposition to this lol.
As an American, I don’t condone the military industrial complex and the endless wars at all, but it’s not up to me. I am embarrassed to be an American at this point. In the same way, you can’t blame 99.9% of the Jewish population for something that a tiny percentage is responsible for.
What's the top one?
This is what happens when you suck as much papal pee-pee as possible. ICE is a Catholic secret police, and they're doing the same thing they did in Germany with their secret police.
Catholic patterns = Catholic cultist compliance
(((Catholic)))
Cuckservatives, also known by “basket of deplorables”, have been the target of massive coordinated efforts by big business and govt institutions for years.
Deplatformed by big tech.
Debanked.
Shunned by educational institutions.
Churches targeted.
Public speaking performances brigaded (rip charlie).
Communities decimated by outsourcing.
Mass media propaganda campaigns.
Statues torn down.
History rewritten.
We’re been living through Orwellian shit for years, where you been?
You having a crash out over the January 2026 Darwin Award Winner is the most lolbert thing ever
Yes, because how dare we defend our borders. Grow up.
We can defend our borders without armed thugs roaming our streets murdering our citizens. The streets of neighborhoods in cities not on borders are not where they need to be patrolling. And they are not judge, jury, and executioner so why are they murdering unarmed, fully legal citizens? And why are you choking on their boots.
Maybe these people ought not to commit illegal and violent riots, then assault law enforcement when they rightfully attempt to disperse them and arrest them. Can't get shot if you stay at home and act like a peaceful and responsible adult. 🤷♂️
Also, if you think this issue only occurs in border cities, you're delusional. Not to mention the fact that there's PROVEN massive amounts of Somali fraud in Minnesota which proves that the issue is more than just border cities.
I’m frankly surprised to see people still trapped in left-right thinking on here
It’s disappointing
It's disgusting. There is no red vs blue. It's all manufactured for control.
Yup. I expected more from republicans but that’s probably retarded of me because the fact they’re republicans means they can’t understand it’s manufactured identity politics. They seem smarter than democrats, but they’re really not.
I really don't understand what is the issue with the ICE?
They are LITERALLY putting the law into action.
Unless you're an ultra-leftie who's so transcendant to believe in borders, you should be cheering for them.
Is it the "law" to execute protesters who aren't a threat at all?
Hello 👋🏼
Do you mean the lady who tried to run the soldier over? or something else? because I really don't know.
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1) He's not a"soldier", 2) she didn't try to run him over, she was turning away from him and anyone with eyes to see can watch both videos and see that. 3) They litsrally just gunned down another man in the streets yesterday. Fired multiple shots into him as he lay on the ground unarmed (a different ice thug tookaway his gun (which he had legally and did not point at the thugs) PRIOR to the other thug unloading his magazine into him. There are multiple videos from multiple view points of that too.
OP doesn't believe in law enforcement, it's libertarian brain rot.
"Bro, you really think we can just vibe without some kinda order? 🤔 What’s your plan when chaos hits? #LibertarianLogic"
So your solution is to give a small minority the authority to rule over everyone else by force? Even if that small minority is the largest threat to our freedom? Even if that small minority is full of pedophiles and warmongers? Even if that small minority is responsible for drug wars and the creation of fiat?
My solution is to deport illegal immigrants.
You will deport them yourself?
No, I pay law enforcement officers to do it. Even in ancapistan you'd presumably have a paid armed militia which guards a border. The founding fathers were not against law enforcement in principle.
And if others don't want to pay them, what is the solution? Your payment isn't enough to do what ICE is doing.
The solution is to stand down and let them enforce the law. Are we going back to libertarian fantasy land again? Protest the politicians who enact the laws. This isn't to say that LE is perfect, of course they aren't, they're fallible humans and should be held accountable to the LAW as well.
Do you think we should deport illegal immigrants?
Moving the goalposts. You and laser do that a lot and I don't think you realize that it is a logical fallacy that weakens your arguments.
If we just jump from one topic to the next, we will never finish any discussion.
How will you fund the deportation of these people if others, like myself, don't want to pay for it?
Well, if I was the American government in 2026, I would use violence to extract taxation from you and fund law enforcement. If I were living in fantasy anarcho-land, I would assume people living in a community were willing to fund their own security.
As citizens of a country in the 21st century, should we be deporting illegal immigrants, yes or no? If yes, how would you enforce it? If no, just say so.
So you are an individual who believes that might is right and you have no problem with killing people that disagree with you, even if they are peaceful?
I don't believe in using violence to steal money from nonconsenting people. I don't care what it's for. The end doesn't justify the means. This type of reasoning will eventually be turned on you when your political opponents return to office.
I am obviously not fine with killing people who disagree with me, wtaf?
Illegal immigrants are leeching social welfare programs, which are funded by your taxes, which are extracted from you through violence. Do you believe in funding hospitals? How about building homeless shelters? Building a proper defensive army? You are living in delulu land, stop drinking the libertarian kool aid.
Those were your words man. You literally said you would use violence to extract taxation. That means you are okay with killing people.
Maybe if people like you stopped defending the government, and started educating others on this, illegal immigrants wouldn't have social welfare programs to leech off society. Then the illegals wouldn't have a reason to flood in to the country.
Yes, if I was the American government. However, I am not the American government. I am okay with killing some people, like violent recidivist criminals.
I am defending the use of violence to enforce laws. And I am also condoning taxation btw, because libertarianism and anarchism is utopian drivel. It's a seriously deficient ideology.
In a more bitcoinized world, it will be easier to choose which country gets to tax you, and states will have to compete more for your bitcoin, but taxes will always exist as long as there are states. Let's leave it at that.
Basically what you are saying is that you endorse violence on peaceful people. It is also clear that you would threaten my life if you were part of government and I refused to follow your orders. That is no different from the KGB or gestapo. That is a sign of an authoritarian government, which is ironically what the founders of this country claimed to oppose.
With that being said, I will step away from this conversation as you are incapable of having a consensual relationship with people who disagree with you. I'll also be muting you so don't bother responding to any of my future posts because I will not see them. Take care and good luck with the dangerous and violent path you are on.
Neither did the founders of this country
Why would i cheer for armed thugs patrolling the streets investigating random people without warrants?
We have rights to protest and monitor government agents , ice has no authority to confront these people. Ice is routinely violating 4th and 5th ammendemnt rights. They are out of control. Without due process there is no rule of law.
They are literallyBREAKING the law on a regular basis. 🙄
On one hand, countries have borders. On the other I have no faith in the government to protect our interests
What is a country?
Already see your point, but there’s never been a time in history where a group of people or culture didn’t need some protection from outsiders. You always needed team work and a leadership to give direction to avoid chaos.
Haven’t made a point. I asked a question.
I thought you were trying to point out the fact that a country inevitably involves having a government by asking the question.
Right so all a country is, is a territory controlled by a government. When you defend a country, you’re really just defending a region with a specific group of slave masters. It’s bizarre imo.
Africa is rife with conflict due to colonial borders. In fact most parts of the world.
I’m not sure if that’s true
How?
It's literally always happening.
Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Palestine, Sahara, Guyana, Taiwan, Sudan, Ethiopia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Khasmir.
Berlin Wall, Soviet Union collapse.
Borders, or the construct of them, is what has sperated people, tribes and cultures for centuries.
I know they separated people, but I’m not sure how it caused the poor outcomes of the cultures you just listed. What about the prosperous countries that have borders?
This is what conservatives are. You won’t hear any of the Bitcoin podcast bros bring this shit up. They are all compromised.
Not all but it’s bad
Watching libertarians defend Communists is the most Huxlean shit I’ve ever seen. And when they eventually become the targets, lolbertarians/mmo ancap fantasy players will have no one to blame but themselves.
From racism to statism
🎯
Racism is on display the world over 24/7, 365 days out of the year.
Racism is genetically encoded in Homo sapiens because it provides favorable evolutionary advantage.
The whole nocuous edifice of anti-racism was hatched by the Jew and their international partners in crime, the Marxists.
Multiracial societies create chaos and strife in the population.
Maximize disunity and discord in the population for the maximization of control from the top.
It's Marxism 101.
The bigger the Marxist state apparatus gets in size, the bigger the international Jew parasite and its lovers expand in detrimental reach.
100 percent separation of the races is correct.
So people should only live in lands where their ancestors are from?
Be native or be nothing?
That doesn't sound terrible.
European immigrants from all over would all have to return to Europe.
Too bad colonizers don't know how to do that.
I personally think people should be allowed to live anywhere and roam anywhere, as long as they don't colonize or commit genocide or try to take over the land in any way.
Basically:
"Mi casa es su casa" as long as you know it's been mi casa for thousands and thousands of years... And you are a guest.
Donald Trump and his Jews are just engaging in Marxist theater exhibitions here.
While ICE deports a few imported specimens here and there, the Marxist state apparatus of Donald Trump injects the country with even more alien life forms through other avenues.
Donald Trump is a dedicated Marxist and a radical internationalist.
As one would expect, he is also an absolute Jew-lover.
The Marxist state expands with each additional insertion from abroad.
A constant flow of new exemplars nourish the entire destructive apparatus from top to bottom.
Invasive critters shall, of course, be killed when attempting entry.
If this is too difficult to fully execute, these invasive breeds must be killed off after entry.
If this natural way to confront "illegal" entities is "illegal," the property owners AKA the lawmakers will have be liquidated, and their Marxist state apparatus would have to annihilated in its totality.
ICE is an entity of the Marxist state, and it must therefore be eradicated in its totality. The same remedy applies to police officers and all other federal agents.
It only takes one executive order to readjust the mandate of the security structure to target anti-parasitical personalities and anti-Jew individuals.
Established prisons could be transformed into Jew Gulags with a single signature.
Fix the problem at the core:
Expunge Donald Trump and the entire US Congress from existence.
Then physically dismantle the Marxist state instrument beneath the property owners from top to bottom, including the security tools.
Finish off the rejuvenation process with exterminating the entire Jew race and by repatriating all non-Jew specimens that were injected after 1965.
If repatriation is refused, terminate them all.
Donald Trump and his Jews are just engaging in Marxist theater exhibitions here.
While ICE deports a few imported specimens here and there, the Marxist state apparatus of Donald Trump injects the country with even more alien life forms through other avenues.
Donald Trump is a dedicated Marxist and a radical internationalist.
As one would expect, he is also an absolute Jew-lover.
The Marxist state expands with each additional insertion from abroad.
A constant flow of new exemplars nourish the entire destructive apparatus from top to bottom.
Invasive critters shall, of course, be killed when attempting entry.
If this is too difficult to fully execute, these invasive breeds must be killed off after entry.
If this natural way to confront "illegal" entities is "illegal," the property owners AKA the lawmakers will have be liquidated, and their Marxist state apparatus would have to annihilated in its totality.
ICE is an entity of the Marxist state, and it must therefore be eradicated in its totality. The same remedy applies to police officers and all other federal agents.
It only takes one executive order to readjust the mandate of the security structure to target anti-parasitical personalities and anti-Jew individuals.
Established prisons could be transformed into Jew Gulags with a single signature.
Fix the problem at the core:
Expunge Donald Trump and the entire US Congress from existence.
Then physically dismantle the Marxist state instrument beneath the property owners from top to bottom, including the security tools.
Finish off the rejuvenation process with exterminating the entire Jew race and by repatriating all non-Jew specimens that were injected after 1965.
If repatriation is refused, terminate them all.