Damus can keep the zap button on the profile but not notes. It is considered “selling digital content” if its on notes 😕
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Clearer than the SEC, at least.
By forcing us under threat of violent coercion using crooks they managed to bribe in office. Mystify to one another what we pay each other for, so that they can charge a superfluous charge for doing nothing? They ARE SO clear about their clear dependence on a fading monopoly of power to dominate others violently.
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hmm
anti progress
Makes zero sense but let’s face it it’s not about that
What does not make sense about the statement of apple?
Their whole ethos was to innovate , now stagnate and dominate without pushing new boundaries. They ultimately lose 🤷♂️
This has nothing to do with their statement. One is a corporate non-sense slogan, the other is actual enforcement of their dubious web store. However, it is consequent
That’s an attack on Nostr, because no one is so stupid to think zaps on notes are “selling digital content” 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Seems like an attack on speech 🤔
What, we can tip profiles but can’t tip words directly?
What’s the difference between this and people just saying “selling X, zap profile to get it”?
They’re stalling
They are afraid because the power of freedom of speech + freedom of transactions are fucking with their control.
Just give us your lightning address and we’ll zap you 30% 😆
This might be how we flip Apple to zaps ⚡️
They want our bitcoin 🤣🤣
But honestly i think it has hand of the state behind the scene’s more than hand of apple wanting that irrelevant amount of money considering the amount of money they have in cash 🏴☠️
It’s most likely just an underpaid reviewer making a quick decision than anything else. Apple doesn’t care about any of this.
Need a better solution imo. This is a conpromise... but give an inch take a mile...
Makes no sense whatsoever
Better than nothing for now, we will find a way forward!
transform every note into a new npub bio attached to a main npub that gets displayed like a note 😆
and rename 'Note' into 'Zapple'
Honestly this is an ok compromise. Not ideal, but at least the whole operation won’t be shut down. Wonder if there’s a way to partner Block or something to circumvent things. Instagram and TikTok allow for content monetization in app. There has to be a way a #zap can be allowable without violating Apple’s policies.
Pour info c'est bientôt fini la monétisation gratuite sur ces apps tous ces influenceurs vont devoir payer à la case taxation sur des revenus émanant de ces apps
Can you have a “mini profile” pop up?
I get the digital content part, but how the hell is the owner of the note "selling" it if it's publicly available? 😂
It's more of a donation instead of a buying type of transaction... Did you take the discussion into that direction with them?
Ok! 👍
Thank you for this App!
Challenge them in court. IT'S #ZAPATHON TIME!
But that’s the main use case….
Hi, anyone wants to buy this digital content?
It doesn't seem right to me. Selling should have price attached?
One tap profile zap?
That...makes sense since we're paying people for their content. I don't like it, but it does make sense, I guess, by our definition of Value for Value. Overall, this would be a win though, right? This keeps Damus in the App Store and gives you time to lobby Apple for a change or reconsideration to their policy to allow Zaps on notes.
Disagree… seems like the issue is that post zapping just makes it too easy if they are ok with profile zapping. If you repurposed the zap button to act like a profile zap would they be ok with that? Do they really just want you to press 2 extra buttons to accomplish the same thing? Makes no sense. What if you put a profile zap button next to the user’s picture/name above the note?
they probably see it like this: a post zap is payment for content, exchanging value for value. a profile zap is a tip or donation.
If that’s true then we should be able to profile zap you by one-tapping your name above the note. Perhaps you lose the zap tracking at the note level but retain one tap zapping
It’s a donation for content? I could see this being true if he had implemented the blur hash/paywall into Damus that requires a zap to see content, but that isn’t how onlyzaps works at all. I am not selling my content, I’m posting it and it is free to consume, and individuals are willingly donating to me because I’ve provided them value.
But we aren't selling anything. 🤷♂️
Definitely boycotting apple now
If it was “selling digital content” wouldn’t we have to have some control over our purchase after we zap it? For zaps that unlock content I guess they got you there, but if the content is public prior to zap I don’t get how that makes sense.
who - according to apple - owns the note once posted?
you can’t sell what you can’t transmit ownership of
total garbage reasoning…
Ay man it's better then nothing.
Gah. It’s not great but I have no doubt that you will adapt and find new ways to innovate.
Thank you for all the hard work you put into Damus and Nostr.
I thought Bitcoin wasn’t money
We’re on nostr:npub1us9uc0sjjg0vyvh7vefgu2a96hx5up5gujl6pqays65hlk4de6hsnwq4g0 discussing this 🫂 you’re more than welcomed!!
WTF apple?!
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Can we still post invoices on posts?
Tell we are a church and it's all donations ⛪
Even if the content is available for free? I don’t get it.
for now? probably time to move damus to a pwa
Can the zap button be moved to the upper left next to the username? It appears on each note but as part of the profile. So zaps are profile zaps, not note zaps. This a workaround?
Fuuuuck that
🤦♂️
Can the “Zap” button on posts remain, but instead of zaps, it takes you to the users profile zap page?
Talk about arbitrary 🤦♂️
Who is behind this push? I doubt it's an employee at Apple.
What an arbitrary distinction.
I like #[2] ‘s idea on this with the mini profile pop ups
could this be considered part of your profile??? 
What?
The work around, which what we did is when you click the zap button just drive to the creators profile - then initiate the zap
Damus can sue them or fight them too.
I told them on Twitter that I canceled Apple TV.
We need to protest this.
This is not a matter of competition, it's a matter of a corporation dictating by monopoly.
Fuck it I’ll put the event id in the profile zap message
So If I zap this note I can turn it into an Ordinal jpg and get rich? Zapped!
hmm. but better than a ban
Lol. Doesn't really make sense.
It is sometimes necessary to lose a battle to continue in the fight to win the war.
Morons
So, like tapping someone's profile pic in a note to zap them would be fine? 
That’s retarded
So we're meme dealers lmao???
I don't recall charging people to read my notes lol, they're TIPS
Apple is straight oppin
Call them breaths instead to mess with Tim’s mind.
You knows Tim’s kinda particular about notes.
I remember you at Bitcoin 2023 saying that zap usage increased once you added the button to each note, nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s won't that affect zap usage on #Damus?
Zapping doesn’t stop , LFG ⚡️🫡💜
Who did you speak to and how close together were their eyes?
We're meme dealers now
You’ve done great work. I cannot compromise however.
What about YouTube on specific videos or livestreams like this on their iOS mobile app from PBD Podcast and Andrew Tate 
Is that a blanket policy from Apple?
Is it feasible to continue conversations with them around how this is a new protocol that may redefine some of their prior interpretation of the internet?
but here's the catch - a tip is not a sale.
There must be a way to make Damus available on IOS w/out App Store if an agreement can’t be reached
Checking the vibe. What are people gonna do? Stick with Damus? Move to plebstr (what are the other iOS app options? 🤔). Are plebstr gonna be affected too? 🤔
That's better than nothing. "Piano pianitto", baby steps
Workaround: The ⚡️ button on notes opens the user profile in a modal window. Take that, reviewers.
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Up to nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s but I would suggest having a simplified version of your profile(without any notes) with a button to zap that simplified profile 😁
Btw I love that a bunch of people is interested in fixing this issue, great support. 😍
Is this better nostr:npub1uapy44zhu5f0markfftt7m2z3gr2zwssq6h3lw8qlce0d5pjvhrs3q9pmv 
Placeholder to capture profile ⚡️ discussion in one spot: https://github.com/damus-io/damus/issues/1289
*potentially* selling digital content. Keep that in mind!
how does a tip vs note zap change this story tho
I think there might be room to be creative — for example with the positioning of the zap button. There also may be some ways to determine the visibility or positioning of the zap button based on the content in the note.
In other words, If they are ok with two taps to get to the user’s profile to zap, what else might they be ok with?
How does that make sense? Damn. Selling and buying in anywhere should have a price attached; notes ain’t for selling and ain’t a digital product and zap/tip is an option no one forces anyone to “transact” as selling-buying.
Without notes, what does it make Damus? (Glad zap stays still) 🫠🫠
I'd try a damus web based client for sure.
Did you ask why Amazon can have “credits” on their audible app that i can exchange, on ios, for an audiobook. Isn’t this “selling digital content” outside of the Apple Store? What is the difference?
How is it "selling" . The owner doesn't change
Selling myself at the profile level is not digital content. I feel validated.
What if it's on Profile ID ? Or at the footer of every username?
does it help to zap this note? no, but we're going to do it anyway
Could you perhaps hard-press the profile pic in the post for the zap?
Thats what i was thinking
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Lol
You will get another phone call. 
I previously suggested that you could draw a Z(zap) over the note to send your default zap amount. No button, invisible but gesture. Does that can help to solve the issue or it’s the same thing nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s ?
Would be a quick stopgap.
I’m curious how Subscriber Tweets are any different. Aren’t you technically paying to view that content? I understand that’s not a single transaction but it’s the same outcome.
What if the profile pic is a clickable QR code / Lightning address?
Is that what the fruit people actually said?? How is a zap “selling” content if the content is FUCKING FREE??
Makes zero fucking sense, but so does the logic coming from Crapple users constantly justifying their bullshit.
Will included.
Can you still keep the zap count on the note? Would be a good way to show these fools that the zapping won’t stop from other clients.
This isn’t acceptable deal long term
Well I guess new information has come to light, man!
What a interpretation. This will go down in the anus of history as the worst decision since Finders vs Keepers.
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So profile pic the new zap button?
Weird
Zap it while we can
Can they explain how there was an exchange of goods or services? From my understanding Ive been making donations this entire time as I havent recieved any product or service in exchange.
Street busking wouldn’t be allowed on the App Store. 🚫
So what's the definition of a tip then? Selling implies people zapping are buying something they otherwise wouldn't get, but the content is already there, it's free. You're not buying it, you're just tipping because you like the content, it's not a paywall.
Okay. Add a small button on each post that directs the user to the OP’s profile page and also automatically opens the tipping interface. This will make zapping a two-tap process rather than a single tap.
What I hate about this is that they had this prepared for weeks, probably showed up to the meeting with an army of lawyers and gave you 24 hours between kicking Damus and offering to talk.
You should have been given time to assemble a team, get legal advice and prepare adequately before stepping into the ring with them 🥊
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Hear me out:
CALYX OS 🐦
pixel phones are cheap 👌🏻
FUCK APPLE!
most appholes only hold back because of imessage
It's frustrating how much people are willing to accept these walled gardens with mobile and tablet devices, after successfully defending against them on desktop. Where is the pushback?
Net Neutrality concerns have trended at least two or three times in the past, where for days at a time it was all anyone on the Internet was talking about, and it included massive 'blackouts' of high profile websites to raise attention to the issue. Nobody seems to care very much about these app store walled gardens, even though it's a far bigger problem.
I can leave people a tip on their GitHub contributions.
Should GitHub get deleted from app store?
Whatif Damus agrees to pay 30% of the Zaps with Apple...if they setup a Lightning Node to accept the payments.
How about apple just make a nostr account and post cool shit!
Damus⚡️
I want to zap a note
I copy the note ID
I go to the creator’s profile
I click zap
I paste note ID in the zap’s comment
That was a fast decision!
So... could the the zap button be a 'visit zap button' button? If so, it might 'remember' the original note..
#zapvertising then just moves to the profile page, on Damus / iPhone apps at least.
What if you have a Zap Profile button, and tell apple you’re gonna place that button in multiple places in the app. Might even show up next to a note, who knows? 🤷🏻♂️
🥹 glad we still here
Can you make the zap icon next to my name for only zaps, a profile donation link? This way I can keep onlyzaps on and people can click the icon for my profile that goes to zap my profile instead of the note itself? Ie- we lose tracking of zaps on notes but not the ability to one tap zap content we find valuable?
that's a stretch. the note is free. the zap is optional. normally selling something means it's not available for free.
This is awesome for Damus, so long as it survives
That's very random. Doesn't make any sense.
The worst publicity is - no publicity.
This action by Tim Apple has completely backfired. Add Elon Musk into the mix and the Damus app recognition gets SuperBowl like advertising... and it didn't cost a cent/sat.
Nosense condition..
Everyone is free to choose what are important..
Zaps are our way to appreciate much a content..
It's nosense choise! 🎩🧡⚡💜
So what's your next move?
They’re full of shit and they know it!
From the wikis:
Digital content is any content that exists in the form of digital data. Digital content is stored on digital media or analog storage in specific formats. Forms of digital content include information that is digitally broadcast, streamed, or contained in computer files. Viewed narrowly, digital content includes popular media types, while a broader approach considers any type of digital information (e. g. digitally updated weather forecasts, GPS maps, and so on) as digital content.
What if I never upgrade my Damus app and keep the zap button forever?
migrating Damus to be Android-based not a possibility?
How does that matter to uncle Tim?
What a weird rule, so if I like your content then I can click your. Profile and zap you, but I can't skip the 1 tap to just zap a note?
It’s pretty dumb and makes the UX janky af. Its a petty move by apple to discourage non-apple-pay solutions. You can’t even do micropayments of that size with visa, so it makes no sense. They should change their policy.
What if you could click the zap icon after your profile name. Makes it obvious you are zapping the profile, not the note, and also you could still maintain the one-tap-zap in the timeline 🤔
As long as we’re creating profile zaps instead of note zaps it should be ok?
I wonder if having a zap button on the comment that is a client side redirect to the profile would work? That way no one could tell what note is being zapped, the user would just see the funds in their wallet.
If you have the content before the payment and without the payment, you didn’t buy it.
Tell me you don't understand #value4value without telling me you don't understand #value4value
Gigi… where have you been man.
What’s your take on what has been happening?
Isn’t it a donation? It’s completely optional lol ??
damus is not needed on nostr imo, Use web-apps
Hey nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s I’d call Apple back and be like WTF
“Instead, its aim is to develop a platform where publishers can generate revenue from micropayments — that is, where users pay some small amount of money to read individual news items.”
Use Amethyst, instead.