If nostr were the answer, people like me would be building on it.

Ask yourselves who the builders are that aren't choosing nostr, and why.

Then ask yourselves what all the people building here have in common.

Then compare these groups earnestly. I dont just mean Bitcoiners vs Bluehairsky. I mean their experience, talent, and reputation.

I mean the most talented and resourceful people; people that innovate, and have deep expertise. Why aren't they leaving where they are to build here?

Examples: Bitcoin Core devs, shitcoin expert devs that really do want to fix things, talented cryptographers, deeply experienced systems/p2p people, experienced entrepreneurs, reputable VCs and funders.

The closest I see here are people that got Bitcoin-rich and are now learning how to be angels by naively funding their friends and dead-end startup projects that arent much better than weekend hackathon submissions. A sandbox for playing.

Everything worth anything here is a subdivision of Bitcoin culture itself and Bitcoin privilege. Bitcoin is the only provider of talent and resources to Nostr. That worked great to bootstrap from nothing, but now what?

Deal with this, and figure out how to be relevant to other people, or Nostr will continue to be nothing more than a perpetual hackathon sandbox subsidized by a Bitcoiner ego-cult.

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Or just build like the rest of us. Proof of work.

Things are hard and people are building the hard things. No need to rationalize.

Bitcoin Core devs? Really? This is your example?

Why aren’t you building on it?

He's a shitcoiner.

This is news to me. Care to explain what makes him a shitcoiner?

I am not a shitcoiner, and even if I were, it wouldnt matter in this context.

Didn't mean it in the literal context, meant it as an implication of the argument he's making.

So, you just wanted to inject some toxicity to signal your allegiance?

Whatever floats your boat.

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It wouldn't be responsible to have this protocol and ecosystem as a dependency unless you can somehow capitalize on it in the short term... because most of the momentum is trendiness and tribalism, not utility.

Extreme naivety here around censorship resistance and legal realities of providing apps, bitcoin custody and/or hosting as a business, leading to bad designs and wasted effort on things that would blow up at scale.

No clear signs of raw talent in the product realm, nor raw profit opportunities. (I don't actually care about making money, but I do know a system can't work without also being economically sustainable).

It's a hackathon project that never graduated to being an actual solution to the problems such tech is meant to mitigate.

Nostr is broken, censorable, does not scale, and the community is toxic until you signal allegiance.

Why *should* I build here?!

Appreciate your reply. Thanks for explaining your perspective

Every startup starts with a MVP before scale forces a rewrite. Yes most projects are hackathons, but that's true of most projects generally, only, most other protocols/APIs are much harder to work with. But honest to God, multiple of the most popular clients are more usable than most big social apps.

I daily drive amethyst and I can genuinely say it's the best social media app that I use in terms of pure UX. Maybe this is because nostr hasn't been stress tested yet, but I have no reason to believe it can't deal with that better than any other platform/protocol.

Look at all the big social media apps. Reddit app is genuinely terrible. Its slow buggy and UX is so retarded that only a billion dollar company could come up with it. Every time I use it I miss the 3rd party client I used for it before they killed it the API.

Same goes for X, insta, Facebook etc. These are used by everyone and they are all worse than the hackathon projects here. The best out of them all is YT and instagram but even the youtube app is a worse frontend than newpipe.

That's the front end. What nostr changes the game on compared to everything before is how it allows competitive development for back end. We already see large teams being beat out by random devs in front end, why wouldn't the same be the case for back end? We see the big companies try and fail everyday at dealing with the problems of scaling back-end, nostr allows many devs to take a crack at the problems in many different ways.

You said nostr is a liability to build on top of. What part? Everything is optional except kind 0 user metadata. Is that a liability? The protocol doesn't limit you in any real way.

In what way is it censorable? (who can censor?)

you shouldn’t.

you should go build on X and stop posting here 😂

who is building on pubky?

as far as I know the guy who invented pubky already left and is working on another protocol

this is not accurate, nor would it refute anything i said if it were

you mean no one is using pubky?

So, who is building on pubky?

Show, don't tell

That nuh guy or whatever?

yes

Yea I’d probably quit working for someone with a messiah complex too lol

lol

My guess is the reason people don’t build on nostr is the same reason everyone dismissed bitcoin initially - ego and lack of proof of work. No one wants to put in the time; and if they find some imperfection, their ego gets the best of them “I could fix it if I wanted to but it’s not worth my time”.

I don't know anyone that thinks that way. This seems like a self-serving fantasy.

Nostr can be objectively refuted from multiple perspectives.

You don't need to be a jealous hater to be disinterested.

I don’t think it’s an active thought - more like a personality trait. They don’t need to be a hater to have an ego that prevents them from being early.

I was early to bitcoin but had an ego too - not a holier than though type but deep engrained ignorance and that led to ignoring bitcoin for too long after my initial encounter. Took a lot of learning on my own time to put that kind of attitude aside.

Could also be other things preventing them - too busy, too much money, family first, only want to focus on bitcoin - who knows…

Also, being intelligent and being early to things doesn’t always coincide. Plenty of smart people come into a space much further down the road when someone has already formed a path.

But your presumption is they don't understand nostr or what is happening here, right? That there is some sort of wide ignorance?

That ignores everything I stated in the post, I think?

Sure, what you described can be a factor, but I think you are describing what *Nostr people* think about others, and that is more about Nostr egos imo -- not an actual common or likely reason, just a projection as a convenient guess.

I’m not saying those are the only factors. There’s the adoption curve and a million other factors - of which I’m sure some are being displeased with the technical aspects. If I had to but I’d say adoption curve, network effects, peer signaling, some ego)

If they build something better - great 👍 let everyone know.

I get the vibe that you’re trying to win some imaginary argument and I’m just sharing my opinion and have nothing to argue.

I am defending the thread topic, as always.

Surely you noticed I come to socials to posit arguments :)

Fine, you win. 🏆

> John’s mom smiles approvingly as she hands him another cookie for proving his brilliance on the internet

He’s a scary good debater, don’t mock him, or he’ll prove your statement false. 🤣

🫂

Our feeble minds tremble before his awesome power

What does Nostr have that makes people assume a Bitcoin-like trajectory?

Not saying it does. Nothing is guaranteed. But it does feel similar.

Nostr feels nothing like Bitcoin to me

Genuinely surprised anyone feels this way

Can you link to these “perspectives” that “Nostr” can be objectively refuted?

- High bandwidth usage

- Relay operators need to get paid, and the typical user currently pays for centralized services by sharing their data. Paying for multiple relays will not be accepted by these folks.

- Instead of one evil corporation having your data, everyone has access to your notes, etc.

- Privacy was never a consideration in the protocol design

- NIPs are a moving target. People have been attempting to implement private (secure) chats and marketplaces, but have to keep rewriting and redesigning what they just released.

I'm sure if you spend a few minutes, you can think of other issues, unless you're a new user.

This is great, appreciate this. I believe there's good progress happening on all these fronts. Good news is the permissionless-ness is working just fine 🚀

Where is the progress on the second item in my list? (honest question, since this is the elephant in the room)

I bet there's a free relay broadcasting our notes so we can have this conversation 😂. Seriously though, some people think that companies will run relays to support their other products. We'll probably see relays specific to different types of apps. I still wonder if someone will figure out a clever way to do free-relays that are ad supported.

I wouldn't put any of that under "good progress".

I think ad supported relays will be acceptable to the typical user of centralized systems, but I've only seen disdain for the idea from current Nostr users, and no mention of designs for it.

Well, to push back on your premise - what makes you think it’s a real problem? Do you have any evidence that lack of paid relays is problematic? Consider damus and primal relays - both make money from other things and run a big free relay.

if they don't want ads they'll pay. If they won't do either, they'll **have to**: leave, run their own relay, or learn their lesson

- high bandwidth usage

that's one of the tradeoffs, keep reading below to understand.

- relay operators need to get paid

not necessarily, the goal that is currently work in progress is to have the outbox model be widely adopted. every user has their own relay they run, or have someone run for them.

there is significant progress being made over different clients aiming to this.

just like with TOR, there will always be people willing to run relays for free.

not to mention that running a nostr relay is easy and accessible to anyone.

- instead of one evil corporation having your data, everyone does

information should be free and nostr enables that. as soon as you post something on legacy social media, it is *public*, it can be seen by anyone so what is nostr doing wrong? nostr takes it a step further by making it verifiable with every post being signed. "don't trust, verify."

when we say nostr is better for your privacy, it is the case because your *private* data (ie queries sent to relays) gets spread all over nostr via hundreds of different relays (outbox model). that way, it is significantly harder for any malicious actor to be able to know what/where you are browsing.

on the client side, you are not being tracked which is not the case on legacy social media where every single touch on your screen is analyzed. (most nostr clients are open source, that can be verified)

- privacy was never a consideration in the protocol design

the main goal behind nostr is censorship resistance and is currently the best real decentralized network in the social media realm.

privacy is and has always been a consideration for most builders and users of nostr. you notice that when you look at the NIPs, and how a lot of clients integrate TOR.

- NIPs are a moving target.

that is one of the main strengths of nostr, achieving interoperability is not easy but it's being done remarkably for most NIPs.

seems like when something is rewritten, it is for the better. take a look at DMs, we're going from NIP-04 to NIP-17 (so much better) to now NIP-EE achieving MLS integration on a decentralized network.

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there are issues and we all know that, what makes nostr different is that we're at least acknowledging them and trying to solve them consistently.

> Relay operators need to get paid

This is so true.

On the internet, we have no services run by volunteers.

And volunteers don't operate in any field to further fundamental human rights, such as freedom of speech.

And, of course, organizations are all run for profit.

Oh, wait…

Any expert in Nostr should be able to do so better than me, right? How about you show me the link?

What a fancy way to type "no"

You could have just said that on Twitter.

gm

🤣🤣🤣🤣 no one takes you srs princess. Keep going.

The messenger might be a narcissist but the message is genuinely concerning.

That doesn't mean that his Rube Goldberg machine would be better on that metric.

Yes

Let ppl be! Mistakes are the best teacher so be it if that’s the case.

You just sound like a jealous little bitch if you can’t give more arguments than because the ppl I respect is not working here…. Just saying….

I am sorry that you cant read more than a few words at a time, nor recognize the irony of your behavior, considering the content of my post.

Anyway, I will happily refute any actual arguments, as well as defend any of my own.

But if you just wanna insult each other, well, zzzzzzzz

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I was just trying to portrait how you sound here.

Pls go ahead and start posting arguments why pubkey is a better protocol and why we should focus on it? Things can get momentum for different reasons, why pubkey is not getting it?

I know how I sound here, it is described in the original post.

I don't think speculatively predicting Pubky's failure is a valid counterargument to the things I posted, and also why I did not use Pubky as an argument.

It is just another toxic tribal behavior, distracted by loyalties and taboos.

If we end up wrong about Pubky, Nostr is still left with the issues I mentioned, right?

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People is building elsewhere because elsewhere is where people is, hence where money is.

The swiss franc is as good as fiat can get, but people like the dollar.

Most talented people are on centralized fiat-centric business (Meta, Google, Apple...).

Why is there no money here?

I thought zaps and valueforvalue were the mission?

Network effects and economic gravity, regarding a nascent protocol that nobody knows about. BTC for social media, about as understood as when BTC was this old. All due respect to you because you were there and your POW is undeniable, but I would say the jury hasn’t even been selected on whether this has failed. The task at hand is to get people like you to stop what they are doing and work on Nostr, but it’s going to be a slow migration as Lindy does its thing. Economics physics and corporate capture are a bitch.

Perhaps you're barking up the wrong tree.

Money and value is shifting from how we measure it today. While we can't yet allocate future price/value to an npub for example, what will a well curated decentralized social graph and web of trust be worth? As the noise increases, so to does signal's value. Signal becomes scarce. Maybe a stretch with this analogy, but IPv4 blocks were given away freely until they became scarce. Why not just move on to IPv6? Yet, brokers are finding a market (value) for IPv4 blocks (signal).

In the case of a Nostr npub/nsec, the value will be created by doing exactly the opposite of engagement hounds. AI will kill those. A well tended npub is an asset waiting to be discovered. Build, share and contribute unselfishly. Fine tune the signal to what matters to you as the individual. The 1000 true fans will find their way to you.

Lastly, we need to redefine value in this case. If this were only about Fiat gains from the tech, it would descend into irrelevance quickly.

New value is built through relationships, truth, discovery and preparing "the citadel" outside the globalists walled garden.

Nostr is an Ark, by some, dismissed as a waste of time. To an unfortunate many, the true worth/value of an impeccably fine tuned npub will only become apparent after it's too late. 2011 bitcoin was unappreciated, there was no money in it, it was squandered and left haphazardly on thumb drives. Forewarned, we should be circumspect of high time preference detracting from ultimate fruition.

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“People like me”… go on…

As of now , most nostr devs here are learning what the Nostr protocol is - the focus is doing quick tutorials to gauge the limits of the protocol .. aka Twitter clone or Insta clones ..

I don't think anyone is claiming to replace X or Insta .. I mean ..if they do ..it is kinda pipe dream .. cuz users will always stick to time tested networks ... UNLESS ..they find a new value prop..

That said .. once the protocol becomes a default back end .. when you are NOT building for the protocol , but protocol is a default choice for the application you are focused on .. that is when the true innovation begins ... It is couple years in the future ... But I think we have the proof point for the protocol layer ... Nostr is new layer of internet .. If you are NOT learning /improving this protocol ..you are literally wasting your time ..

Holy shit. Blow yourself some more

I am sorry I hurt your protocol.

No you’re very happy to stroke your ego and tell everyone how much more you know than them. I’ll stick with staying humble and stacking sats. Stay flexible for that self gratification you so clearly love.

Keep going princess🤣🤣🤣🤣 everyone loves a stupid troll.

Experienced entrepreneurs aren’t here? Watch me motherfucker.

Show me something not retarded then.

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Bookmarked for whenever I need motivation

…And one day to laugh at this stupid take

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I understand the rant, but your lack of specificity makes it hard to take this seriously, you’re literally asking the reader to do all the work and the tone of this post is implying they will reach some inevitable negative conclusion that you’ve already reached. This is just an intro to something potentially useful, and I’d love to read the rest of it

It is not my job to fix other people's work.

When I try, they just get mad anyway.

So we make our own stuff.

again, what am I supposed to be able to take away from this? other than you've had problems with other people's work. I know firsthand that lots of things on Nostr have been attempted and then paused, broken, or failed - it's a collection of thousands of experiments by curious devs trying to build the future. It sounds like there's some interesting details behind why you wrote your original post, and those details are what actually might help people move forward - hence my first comment asking for more

he's bashing on nostr to pitch pubky. Kinda obvious.

I piss on your watermelons

We need #⭕👀 meme for this

Wish u didn’t

He might be into that

one option is to build with us and fix what you don't like.

so simple...

Apparently it's too simple.

I will submit Pubky as a PR when we are done with it.

no one cares about it, no one will use it

Yeah but then he doesn't get to hand out invite codes.

no please, don't.

Im not sure i know the answer to the first 2 questions. But i would assume the answer would apply to any other decentralized platform...

So no one should work on any other decentralized social platform???!

Your protocol is doing the same mistake AP and Matrix and Bluesky and everyone else is doing

someone who thinks it's a good idea to move the decimal place 8 points left on bitcoin is obviously retarded

What mistake?

complexity

They aren’t building on nostr because they see more value building elsewhere. Whether that is true or not will become clear over time. But that is the simple answer.

They see more dollars* the value is in nostr. They just don't see it because time preference.

Value is subjective. It’s determined by many different variables that individuals calculate, often unconsciously, which determine their actions. Time preference definitely influences the way they perceive value but it’s also other factors like their current financial situation. If they have bills to pay and a family to support, they may not realistically see the risk in working on nostr as more valuable.

You are right value is subjective. High time preference society creates an environment where people cannot see the value of long term projects like Bitcoin and nostr. Either because they have bills to pay or otherwise.

😳🫡….i forget ur not always retarded sumtimes🤔😂😂😂😂🫂⭕️

Only people raised on podcasts and bad books use the term "time preference" it is a clear red flag at this point.

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So time preference is not a real economic principle? Please argue that fact.

Only people trying to make competing protocols and stupid bips would make a post as short sighted as your own.

It's a clear red flag.

Zzzz

You know. That's a great argument. You've changed my mind /s

Very high IQ argument. So glad he convinced me to change my mind 🤣

Keep going this is great😂😂😂😂😂

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This is a bad take

We People do what they do

For our own reasons.

We see how and what we see.

We understand the way we understand

and value what we value

Freedom to choose.

Eveyone's own choice

where and how to involve and put and recieve energy🕊️

You're not wrong — the strongest minds in systems, cryptography, and product aren’t here yet. But maybe that’s exactly the opportunity. Nostr isn’t about status. It’s about freedom. And most of the world’s best minds are still too busy surviving the fiat circus to notice what’s coming.

It is censorable, what freedom?

What free dumb he asks...🤣🤣🤣🫵🫵🫵🫵😅😅😅

You know onion relays? And even if we have to innovate beyond dns, we will if there's need to. It's not like all the events would get deleted and all the people would just shrug and go back to the gulag.

haters gon hate

ALL HAIL JB55

*bookmarked

Same 🤭

Massive ego on this one

Grats on your tiny ego.

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Bro I dig your post and your ego

I think more people should stay their intelligent arguments and opinions, whatever they may be

Haha cheers mate!

Please let's get a podcast debate between John and some Nostr figure. The crowd wants to learn a lot more about the contrast between nostr and pubky.

Are there actual well-spoken mature and earnest people in nostr that can argue genuinely?

Or is this some sorta thing where i will have to refute a bunch of retarded memes?

😂😂😂😃😀🤣 your the only one not retarded... Please keep going.

no. we're all kids without age verification, drug dealers and money launderers.

lmao.... "bitcoin privilege"...

btw "experience, talent, and reputation" mean fuck all when it comes to recognizing the RIGHT thing to do, let alone ACTUALLY DOING IT.

most people are one-dimensional trained monkeybots with zero spiritual awareness and certainly no transcendental compass to guide their retarded and scientized intellect anywhere but toward money and quantity.

"figure out how to be relevant to other people".... LMAO who the fuck do you think you are you bag of dust?

Please smoke less weed

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 please keep going.

The gross (and delusional) elitism in yr 3rd paragraph is far too common in tech communities

whose 3rd paragraph? hard to tell haha

"Jews own everything" was such an alien word 2 years ago, and ever since that phrase started accumulating popularity a tendency toward low operation cost Apps has skyrocketed because it's the only way to guarantee zero Jewish influence

I'm here because of jews and most of new comers

If you can't address the reality around us then you can have fun staying politically correct any where other than nostr and get more reach, PUSSY.

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“If nostr were the answer, people like me would be building on it.”

• Answer to what question? A decentralised relay system transmitting notes and other stuff? Nostr appears to be doing its job.

• People unlike you are building on it? Maybe that’s not a bad thing.

• People like you aren’t building on it? Maybe that’s a good thing. Any contribution is net positive, so maybe someday you’ll come around.

Hi John, I actually missed your posts since I left twitter. Glad that you are here

Looked to see who he was, wasn't following him, looks like I'm still not following him. Tick tock next block.

Lol "people like me". That ego is a seventh wonder.

lets try it another way...

"Why aren't they leaving where they are to build here? "

for the same reason they didnt quit working at Gulag and Facefuck when they heard about bitcoin... they are niggers - in spirit.

I triggered you and now you have triggered nostr. I see you 👀

I hope you are right, but you haven't been yet. It will be interesting if you are.

We’re a little earlier for your logic to be correct

Let’s see in a few years when the guy in the street knows about Nostr

Nostr attracts people who post content the average person isn't interested in. It's that simple. People joined Facebook in order to connect with friends, Twitter in order to connect with the world, Instagram in order to share photos, etc. There's no "you join Nostr in order to" that is appealing to the average person (nobody here is average). But I genuinely think this will change soon.

build fun stuff for Main Street that kills their math taxes.

can people play casino games and next-gen lottery and bet on real events?

can people crowdsource work and crowdfund moonshots?

how many animal shelters and sanctuaries repost here?

It's over guys. I'm moving nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7qpq0r8xl2njyepcw2zwv3a6dyufj4e4ajx86hz6v4ehu4gnpupxxp7s85uvay to Pubky, the akshually open protocol that needs an invite code to create an account. After all, it's where the coolest p2p wizards, world-class entrepreneurs and VCs hang out.

I'm tired of being a nostr loser working this "freedom tech" nonsense bubble. Now is the time to become a shitcoin expert dev that really does want to fix things.

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What a cringe post 😂 the people are temporary, the tech is forever. What a dumb critique. There are many people on nostr I don’t like either, but that doesn’t justify shit. Bitcoin is the money of enemies because its trust-minimized, so shall nostr be for communication.

Go back on your shitcoin sponsored nobody used pubkey crap and STFU

If you have something to say just say it.

stfu cuck

Ace job picking a name that was already in use by another brand but spelling it wrong to guarantee perpetual confusion.

I was wondering this too, if they were affiliated or if this was just dumb or malicious. I think the bar has a legal case.

When I was orange-pilling a friend, she said something like "they should make it easier to buy bitcoin."

With Nostr as with Bitcoin there is no they; there's only us.

If you think Nostr has potential, YOU figure out how to make it relevant to other people. In the meantime, we're all doing that in our own way here.

Projection? Maybe you're the ego-cult?

How many of us shitty devs have you tried to recruit into your invite only Rube Goldberg machine building ... "enterprise" without delivering a thing you dare to show publicly? You've been recruiting since at least two years.

I take this message of you as your farewell. Come back when you can show something.

BitTasker is not a company — it's a mission to decentralize income and make Bitcoin useful in everyday life.

Built on Nostr

#earnbtc #p2p #grownostr #decentralized

https://bittasker.com/

Nostr was started by lightning developers. Many of those devs are the most talented coders I know.

Lightning is still small, but mighty. So is nostr.

I've been following this on & off all day and I still fail to see what this guy is trying to accomplish here besides possibly poaching some developers or users? It comes across as very unprofessional.

All the points he's brought up have been discussed openly, with multiple ideas and proposals floated in a constructive, maybe sometimes contentious, fashion in the past. I have seen no reason to doubt the integrity of anyone who has chosen to take on the difficult tasks.

"Ask yourself who the buikders are that aren't choosing nostr and why"

Immediately went to your pubky site and there is no link to your github (or even download via fdroid) so I could even possibly assess what are the benefits of the development you're doing without having google involved, so that is a red flag.

Uses aurora store, to download and immediately doesn't work without an invite code, red flag.

So what actually am I supposed to compare nostr to? Don't say centralized services either because sure having builders is cool, but most of those folks will admit to you that they are sacrificing some of their own principles because the pay is good. Like I guarantee you if you go ask engineers on Facebook about the fact that it's fucked up that no one outside fb can use the data they will agree.

This is the onboarding screen for your app

I tried it too. I was not interested in accepting the pubky terms, did anyway, then the app could not connect to any servers and I closed it as useless

Compared to almost any actually permissionless Nostr app, this is … not working

BUT PEOPLE LIKE HIM WOULD BUILD ON NOSTR IF NOSTR WORKED, you know, if only we could all communicate easily via this protocol

John sounds like a shitcoiner trying to convince people to join his DAO

I love the minimalist design

clean, minimalist 🤙🏼

Such a boring and tired take from someone who doesn't build and doesn't ship products that people use.

This is the nostr version of getting ratiod.

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John CarvalWho?

It’s kind of expected. Go to anyone’s house and start dunking on it and the people inside.

What is ironic is that he’s here and we are not on whatever it is he is building 😌 he mad

I think you're butthurt the DID idea didnt pan out and nostr is winning.

I opened this thread incognito to see how many responses came from people I have muted.

Most of them! Oof.

If you want a response, try X? I probably have you muted there too though...

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1. Nostr doesn't need people like you. Ego is not a skill set that pervades Nostr. This is not Twitter.

2. First impressions from your statement- predatory, monetizing and attempts to undermine the vibrant culture growing from the roots up. Not from the tree tops down.

3. Take the time to check out Jack Dorsey, Jeff Booth, Lyn Alden - all of them and many others like them are here educating dumb asses like me, and I'm grateful.

4. So get down from that tree top and stop Godomizing yourself .

People like you? Who do you think you are mate? Little advice: you’re not as relevant as you think you are. Might wanna check your ego at the door.

True

Bitcoin is succeeding because centralized FIAT failed.

Nostr will succeed when centralized social medias fail. It just needs to be ready when the time comes.

To answer your question. You have a very centralized way to think. I don't believe that a good idea is automatically adopted by everyone.

The reason nostr:nprofile1qqsgeksa4tajm7x673gq2v7t56dkgkh6pjhhzdhrgxlpke4za8jmmkqpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgjwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxqgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejqetk0p4 hates Nostr is because he's being paid by Tether to develop a competing project. Simple as that.

The same goes for the rest of the Twitter influencers, the reason they all hate Nostr is because they're being paid by Elon.

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My boy John always knows how to schmooze 😂😂

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Maybe “NOSTR sucks” because you have everyone muted.

Probably right about this

I think you're right about Nostr as a social media platform, but if nothing else, Nostr has made my remote node way more usable because of NWC. That is a win

So busy building yet took the time to embarrass himself publicly. That’s cute.

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Stop being a faggot

People look to justify their own actions all the time

“People like me” says it all

You’re free to build wherever you want John, that’s absolutely true

Go for it

I hope you’re not missing ways to potentially incorporate Nostr into your products as they are

As for the potential of Nostr, let’s see with time what’s true

I for one embrace the idea that a new generation of capital allocators are entering the fray, backing ideas they see as valuable, in a manner that makes sense to them

If wrong. The time and moneys gone. If right. Well you’re point is totally disproven

CSW levels of self-importance.

I don't know anyone using pubky.

"Bitcoin privilege" 🤣 😂

This note is an exercise in performative contradiction.