doesn't really matter

they try to fuck around but they find out that we don't agree with their business model

https://youtu.be/VEw4_o9pwqI?si=BZx3P50Yca8_dsVB

Also I had a dream I was in Vegas and you asked if I wanted to go to the range to shoot 😂

Not really my thing but I’m like yeah sure why not

💯

“Please daddy Trump, buy my bitcoin”

Is the vibe I mostly get from the conference this year.

That's the thing innit, they think they're domesticating Bitcoin but my money is on Bitcoin radicalizing them

I lt was always going to happen. Something doesn't become global money without the powers that be stepping it to kill it, coopt it or adopt it desperately in the hopes that they won't lose their grasp. Time will tell which one it will be; although, it seems like it will be the third.

Yep. Now the question is: How do we ensure that it does not become an exclusively state-controlled asset?

the good old days are over

it was a great run

It is more of a triumph… with trade offs.

And we can see it happen, the fire lives, the passion is there, it doesn’t touch everyone, but more people see it.

A triumph with trade offs.

this will continue until nation states ban self-custody and peer-to-peer transactions, at which point the cypherpunks will bloom again 100x and the fight will be more intense than ever in cypherpunk history.

the trick will be insuring that a sleeper contingent of true cypherpunks sticks around, lying in wait for that moment. the State will try to lull them into passivity and acceptance and it will be difficult to avoid getting caught in the spell. but this will also create a selection pressure: the deeply-convicted and the strongest, most secure hodlers will be all that are left -> exactly who we need at that moment.

we'll need to build through that ultra-"bear" - both software and spirit - like never before.

I have full confidence! 🏴

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I’m remembering a Max Keiser quote from a few years ago, referring to wall street suits and Bitcoin that went something like “Come for the greed, stay for the revolution.”

will Bitcoin radicalize suitcoiners?

or

will suitcoiners domesticate Bitcoin?

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Bitcoiners should just create their own conferences without all the other BS

Agreed, I think this is a part of the cycle and we gotta go though this phase as well.

And I believe bitcoin will bring the old energy back at some point when it has penetrated into everything then it will become toxic again and that'd be the last phase in fixing the world for good.

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Fuck the state. Kill them all with fire.

My first conference and the amount of shitcoinery had me a bit disillusioned.. are you going to be around there today? It’d be so cool to meet you man! Love your stuff

Decided little break yesterday. Drove down the coast and visited a friend. We were looking at lightning channels, his nerdaxe perfirmance, and discussing wrench attacks and security. Dunno about conferences but signal is where you find it

Feel you 🤟🧡🏴‍☠️

sounds like bitcoiners have gotten complacent

sounds like it's time for a shakeup

„But there is an irony to Bitcoin’s transition into a sterile and corporate-friendly digital asset, that being that Bitcoin has lost all of its aura in the process. Consider the rebellious and terrifying status that Bitcoin had in the early days of The Silk Road and contrast this with Michael Saylor’s headshot on the cover of Forbes magazine.“

https://antimoonboy.com/darknetmarketmaximalism/

When an alternate "system" asks for the existing "system" to take notice, it becomes part of the "system" it despises.

Ask and Ye Shall receive.

Irony....

Honestly, a tale as old as "Bitcoin" conferences have been in existence.

Altcoiners, VCs and bankers are turds in the Bitcoin punch bowl and neuter the Bitcoin energy. The impotent, fake, political vibe is what those people have been giving off since the early days of "Blockchain, not Bitcoin" and "here's our whitepaper."

The suitcoiners will come and go. Cypherpunks will be around long after they're done with their grifting.

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Coffeezilla made a video making much of the same point, but went further in saying suits are hijacking the movement. That type of hyperbole frustrates me bc he uses the speakers at the conference and adoption by institutions and corporations as evidence of who is leading.

His point would have merit if those same suits and corporations were investing seriously into mining. We’re not on a proof of stake framework, last I checked, so them just buying does not give them direct control.

The grifters trade on attention and hype, and will attach themselves to anything that attracts both. They’ll cause distortions in the price, but the technology will push past them.

Tick tock, next block.

Reminder to always be careful what you wish for

The journey was the destination

By the time you notice the trojan, it's already too late,your system is breaking.

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Its just the amplified persona of David Bailey.

The (((sleazy))) layer building on bitcoin.

Yes, we need to be careful not to sacrifice the bitcoin ethos - that which brought bitcoin to us - under the excitement of finely being vindicated, accepted and celebrated by the "enemy". Fintech is only in it for the short gain, not the revolution. Yes, its good more people are exposed to bitcoin through this wave of adoption but it is all for nothing if they change us rather than us changing them.

Bitcoin is a sexy peer-to-peer whore. Governments will always try to wife her. 🙂‍↔️

I wasn’t boots on the ground here but felt the same way. I miss the edge that was around when I first came into Bitcoin.

Joining nostr makes me feel like I’ve rediscovered the edge a bit. The conference feels very corporate these days.

Vegas is degen central, what did you expect?

Bitcoin has crossed the Rubicon.

Walk the floor of the 2025 Vegas conference and it almost feels surreal. The rebellion looks like a product launch. The rawness replaced with polish. Blazers instead of hoodies. VC decks instead of cypherpunk zines. The suits outnumber the builders. The signal feels faint.

But don’t be fooled. This was always part of the plan.

Bitcoin was built to infiltrate - not entertain. It doesn’t ask for permission. It embeds itself in systems until it rewires them entirely. What looks like co-option is really slow-motion capture. The Trojan horse is inside the gates.

And the ones shaking hands and collecting lanyards?

They have no idea what they’re dealing with.

None of them can point to who runs this.

None of them realize that 20,000+ nodes uphold Bitcoin’s rules with no ruler.

There’s no president of Bitcoin.

There’s no off switch.

Only rules, code, and truth.

And this truth is hungry.

Bitcoin won’t just coexist with the old world - it will devour it.

Every asset, every ledger, every system built on lies or trust games will be eaten alive - transformed or left behind.

This isn’t a financial upgrade. It’s an evolutionary leap.

A civilization-scale reset.

A re-synchronization with the pulse of reality.

We are 15 years in - a blink compared to the arc of human history.

This is still early.

This is still nothing.

What we’re building isn’t just a harder money.

It’s a global force field against corruption.

A new base layer for humanity to organize truth, time, and value.

It’s the missing beat - what could return Earth into resonance with the cosmos.

Right now, the planet is out of sync.

The systems are broken.

The leaders are gone - replaced by salesmen with talking points.

No vision, no long game, no soul.

Without Bitcoin, we are lost.

There is no future in fiat.

No hope in politics.

No salvation in systems designed to exploit.

It’s either Bitcoin and AI - or nothing.

And even the AI must learn to bow to the chain.

That’s why the creator had to vanish.

No ego, no cult.

Just an idea - unstoppable, leaderless, divine in structure.

Satoshi Nakamoto did what no leader could.

He created the map, then walked away.

And in honor of that - we name the smallest unit a satoshi.

We honor the man by refusing to bend this system to the norms of the dying world.

It is not Bitcoin that must adapt to the world.

It is the world that must adapt to Bitcoin.

The banks, the governments, the corporations -

They don’t get to “normalize” this.

They must evolve.

Because Bitcoin isn’t a fintech product.

It’s a filter.

A test.

A mirror.

Those willing to learn - to take custody of their truth, their energy, their future - will rise.

Everyone else will be left behind.

This isn’t about making Bitcoin easier.

It’s about making humans better.

Prepare yourself.

Educate yourself.

Understand the gift that’s been given.

Bitcoin still bites.

And thank God for that.

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Thank you for inspiration!

Bitcoin is still a weird internet money running on a small mini pc in a room of a nerdy pleb like me.

Its still dangerous. Thats why they're trying so hard to co-opt it and neuter it as a MoE

The conference it's not Bitcoin. There's a handful of people having fun and running around, while Bitcoin is changing the life of Billions around the world even if they don't know it yet

As long as there are still people with the cypherpunk spirit, all is not lost.

Yeah, but the bitcoiners stick out like a sore thumb. Even the normies notice. I talked to some dude in a Satrbuck's line and he found me later and asked where he could find the bitcoin code. I made a QR code of the GitHub repository and he scanned it.

A gray haired man saw me pay for dinner at Steak And Shake and asked me if I knew David Bailey.🤣

I said, "no," but I've subsribed to Bitcoin Magazine for years. The pleb I met oan Uber ride shared David Bailey's email with him.👀

I told some other guy by the Jade Booth why I think the Cold Card is the most secure hardware wallet you can buy.

He saw me at 2 a.m. and asked if I wanted to smoke a joint with him because he was impressed with how much I knew about it. I told him I would, but I already had 4 eddibles. I gave him a gummy and went to bed.

Time to leave the big conference scene and do the smaller ones. TABconf is a great example, not a VC in sight

Definitely felt this walking around the expo but like anything in life, it boils down to the company you keep.

Didn’t feel it at #nosvegas. Didn’t feel this at the OPA party. Didn’t feel it at the nostr:nprofile1qqstvj22wngc5t0687qvak06mt34spm3dl8pqu0ymcv7946xkmv8vpspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ukzcnvv5hx7un89uq3wamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwwpexjmtpdshxuet59uu53q2e x nostr:nprofile1qqsgt0d4sa0pz0wvn9yck36xxezf3qhwzksu0q254vruqed5wvuavuspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3yamnwvaz7tmsw4e8qmr9wpskwtn9wv2yrqr7 hotstyle takeover. Don’t feel this at our local Vegas Bitcoiners meetup.

It’s on plebs to curate their circles. Remember, you can allow those types acceptance but you don’t owe them any energy.

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The reality is that Bitcoin has multiple faces now. More and more diverse and divergent groups of people are finding utility for it. Which is fine. But shame on Bitcoin Magazine for highlighting the corporate side more than anything else. That's just very boring. We should be highlighting how Bitcoin is going to make the politicians that are attending this very same conference obsolete.

BBB felt like this, but perhaps the more blue-collar variant. Lots of mining interests there.

Suitcoiner is a great word.

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The Mission Statement hasn't changed.

its not a mask.

its a mirror.

Yes this, but mainly we’re supposed to be replacing the system, not supporting it.

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Yeah, thats why we monero.

Instead of some Blackrock owned fedcoin

It probably feels like that because of where you just were.

This feels like a case of "Nobody goes there anymore it's too crowded" or "Colorado was so beautiful when I first moved here from California, but now everybody from California is moving here and ruining it."

I remember that video somebody posted that on the Bitcoin talk forums. I think the song was called "Jump you fuckers". And the whole idea was that Bitcoin was going to make all the backers jump out of windows like 1933.

But I also remember that post that Hal Finney made that foretold bitcoin banks. It was well before that video. Hal was obviously a futurist... he could see.

Maybe the incentives structures intrinsic to bitcoin are so pure that vapid surface level presentations of bitcoin are at worst a distraction? That’s my hope🙏The fundamental precepts of freedom money are codified by Satoshi’s discovery/creation of digital scarcity, difficultly adjustment, amount of compute securing the network, node operators and common working folk who understand the value of bitcoin as a savings technology. To name a few. Ultimately there are two options for Bitcoin. Option one, Bitcoin is going up forever and will fundamentally change the nature of how human beings interact or option two, it will fail. There is no in between. Despite the lack of depth present at the convention it appears as though we’re currently witnessing option one play out.

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🤙

We sold our chairs for a seat at the table.

Behind the blazers, some of us are still anarchists.

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I reposted with some thoughts but I wanted to add one more thing because you aren't the only OG I see saying this both here on on FinTwat.

The OGs are, by and large, hiding in the whale lounge and going to exclusive private side events. Maybe that group needs to foot some of the blame since they're no longer holding down the fort so to speak? It's real easy to sit on roped off panels, hang out on pods, and yell at things from afar.

i have the solution to move Bitcoin to the next level

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I posted something on twitter in august 2022.

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Are you ready for bitcoin to be mainstream anon? Are you ready for it to fade into the background of every day life?

How much do you think about bitcoin right now? How much of your identity is bitcoin?

Enjoy this phase as much as you can, there will come a time in which there will no longer be this undercurrent of energy in the movement.

The instant connection you feel when meeting another bitcoiner will fade. The connections will no longer be made this way, the connections won't be as strong.

Prepare your mental state for numbing feeling in the future. The stakes won't feel as high, actions won't feel as important. It will come fast and it will happen as adoption happens. Make your connections now, they will last.

For now anon, it's nice to be by your side. Lets enjoy this fantastic and awful moment in time with a defined gut-felt purpose.

#bitcoin there is no alternative.

I'll be at the nostr lounge again 🤙

What do you think of it? Do you wish it was different?

Seguiremos y no nos rendiremos

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DUDE THE CONFERENCE IS JUST GHEY LIKE FRANCE

They see value and that is what we wanted. They don’t see the network yet, that belongs to us.

Corporate culture sucks the life out of individual culture

All Procedures no spontaneity

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The Borg is here

THIS.

Suitcoiners is a good term.

Agreed , couldn’t wait to watch conferences of old, just doesn’t feel the same anymore, hey ho, stay humble & keep stacking 🤘🤘

Vegas blows. Its a cesspool that corrupts and distorts everything. Say hi to Randall Flagg for me.

Thank you and nostr:nprofile1qqstm84k2lp9knmvmf5gw88zvfvar7duvfpqfplryfystdn55ug2gkspzamhxue69uhkzarvv9ejumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcpramhxue69uhky6t5vdhkjmndv9uxjmtpd35hxarn9ehkumrfdejskyecfu for keeping it real.

I've basically been saying this since the ETF while yall kept clapping away for government and suits.

Your just starting to feel this way, but just give it some time....they will steal your limited supply and make sure you're enslaved under a new system where once again you have to keep providing value(working your ass off) just to barely live still.

Nah that shit is ghey bro… the revolution is being slowly snuffed out… the vids of the conference hall with the dancing cows and the other shitcoining activities is too much… the vibe is alive on nostr.

Suitcoiners 😂

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Remember Troy

The foundation is set.

Get building.

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Cause bitcoin influencers and bitcoin sheep have focused on nothing but trying to get governments and corporations to buy bitcoin for the last 4 years

Hear hear. I had to do a double take when JD Vance was commenting on the bitcoin price on stage. Meanwhile we had Eric Cason in the next room shouting "fuck the state" haha

Sad

no shit

The honey badger is playing Trojan possum.

Nostr is where the wild west is now, and its still got lot of legs to grow. Thank you nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgqtxwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tmwwp6kyvtjw3k8zcmp8pervct409shwdtwx45rxmp4xseryerdx3ehy7f4v3axvet9xsmrjdnxw9jnsuekw9nh2ertwvmkg6n5veen7cnjdaskgcmpwd6r6arjw4jsqgq6lcx8fc7h0p8t4ya9u0a92jnwavqe9rgjwwdw3wjgxfuxsz8rd5mths8c for listening and being one of the early funders of nostr:nprofile1qyvhwumn8ghj76rfwejhgctvdvhxummnw3erztnrdakszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qpqz0lcg9p2v5nzg5fycxq0k56ze6snp42clmrafzqpn5w6u74v5x9qp804wm , when people didn't believe in it on Clubhouse.

My what times have changed. In case you didn't know, we released a new version of hive this week at the bitcoin conference, come check it out at https://honey.hivetalk.org . Thanks for believing, lets celebrate it one step at a time, with suit vibe for better or worse 😂

One day, they will wake up and realise that subsidies have disappeared because of bitcoin. They will realize that they need to provide value to get Sats. Lobbying will be useless.

If everyone is going to come to bitcoin, we have to be prepared for it to be used in all ways. Like it or not, this is what the road to mass adoption feels like.

I’m not selling my bitcoin “why” its keeping going up

Great

Government is in it for power and control.

Same enslavement.

New system.

We know why the vibe has shifted and have been trying to warn these people all along...to no avail.

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Unfortunate reflection of society. We shouldn’t be surprised really

We kinda already knew the vibes are off....

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Bitcoin as Digital Gold vs. P2P Cash:

The narrative around Bitcoin has shifted significantly. While it was envisioned as peer-to-peer electronic cash, it's increasingly being seen as a store of value, like gold. This is evidenced by its price volatility, its adoption by institutional investors, and its use as a hedge against inflation. The focus has moved away from everyday transactions.

Reserves and Distribution:

Personal cold wallets act as individual reserves. It highlights the concentration of Bitcoin ownership. Im concerned that by the time mass adoption by peers occurs, most Bitcoin will be held by governments, corporations, and early adopters, leaving less for the general public. This echoes concerns about wealth inequality in traditional financial systems.

The Role of Governments and Corporations:

These entities are now heavily involved in Bitcoin. Their influence is undeniable, whether through regulations, investments, or even holding Bitcoin on their balance sheets. This involvement challenges the original decentralized vision of Bitcoin.

Scarcity and the Hard Cap:

Bitcoin's hard cap, while intended to create scarcity, could backfire. It might allow those who accumulate Bitcoin early on to exert undue influence, effectively replicating the centralized control of traditional finance. This is a valid concern. If a small group controls a significant portion of the Bitcoin supply, they could manipulate the market or restrict access for others.

The Missed Opportunity for Change:

Occupy Wall Street and the pursuit of Bitcoin ETFs, SBRs, etc highlights the tension between systemic change and mainstream adoption. While ETFs etc can increase accessibility, they also integrate Bitcoin into the existing financial system, potentially diluting its revolutionary potential. The concern is that this integration appears to reinforce existing power structures rather than dismantling them as intended.

If there's one thing I've learned studying technology, it's the the inception and early designs of development impact its direction more than anything.

There is a reason Ethereum has been utterly captured by corporate entities and a reason why corporate entities will inevitably have to fall in line and behave accordingly in order to participate in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

Eventually it will become a symbiotic relationship. Bitcoin needs to be as valuable as gold in order to become a system that allows for the reconstruction of the internet so that it becomes user-oriented again rather than one governed by corporations and their algorithms

From Lyn Alden’s teachings, bitcoin must prove itself able to withstand the assault of Wall Street, hedge funds, banks, governments, etc. if we’ve never had perfect money before it’s hard to predict how it will play out.

Some of you may start to understand why all early Bitcoin OGs (2009-2012) are now in Monero.

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It can’t stay cool forever ☹️

Btc is no longer a treat to the system, it's part of it now

6.15 BTBs forever 🔥🤙

Bigly

Don’t be discouraged. When they can’t turn off the market and get rugged with leverage. They are going to feel the edge of Bitcoin back. Bitcoin just put on a suit and they are think it’s Wall Street

You know what’s still punk as fuck? Wondering around a conference full of people and knowing that you hold more corn than 99.9% of them and that THEY are still early compared to gen pop.

Also, calling France gay. That was the most punk thing I’ve seen all year.

I’ve still never been to a conference. I want to bad but I can’t make the math work so instead I sit at home (on the floor) chewing my steak and trolling the people who went on nostr.

All true.

Good thing we have Nostr.

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Bitcoin is available to anyone 👏

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“The Suits are here now.” - nostr:npub1yrf6e774ggeylt7e7s784jv9ydawv5c4z5zj4arvvs04q7lkulvqdgkaz3

Unfortunately true…

https://youtu.be/0-lS8Y79L7g

The suitcoiners outnumber the cypherpunks by 100:1.

⚰️

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Local Bitcoiners are stronger than ever, and benefit from the participation of suits. Just go your local meetups, earn and spend Bitcoin with your peers. Keep the sats local and continue to build the strength of your local community thanks to the purchasing power increases from the suits participation. No KYC! No exchanges, no smash buying. Mine Bitcoin, earn Bitcoin, buy p2p with cash at the meetup (pay a premium to create incentives for others to stop participating in kyc exchanges too.) Bitcoin is a decentralizing force for everything, recognize and participate in the most decentralized way possible, locally.

1% cypherpunks.

Less cypherpunks made bitcoin happen so I like the odds still.

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That energy is simply a product of the conference you attended and the vibe those organizers cultivate…

At our monthly meetups here in Paraguay 🇵🇾 we have 150+ plebs and newbs showing up and the energy is electric, the signal is high… and we are building the circular economy brick by brick…

Bitcoin hasn’t lost its rebel edge… it’s just not to be found at a conf organized by shitcoiners 🫡 come visit us

You're probably 100% right. But I feel like its worth mentioning that a majority of plebs besides the suitcoiners had to go work in the fiat mines and couldn't make it out to Vegas. That said, id be pretty pissed if I went all the way out to Vegas and this was the vibe.

In 1933, the United States banned the possession of gold by the public, and the same could happen to Bitcoin. Governments have always tried to seize valuable things. Think about what Trump said, he calls Bitcoin a strategic reserve, governments believe that something that is strategic should not be in the hands of ordinary people.

Maybe it just seems that way. Its probably just too hard for bitcoiners to leave their citidels to play with the suits at the casino. 🤣

"the revolution wasn't the revolution i thought it would be"

—every revolutionary, ever.

Are conferences shitcoins?

7 years of attending hack days and conferences, and this is the first time I wore a jacket. Good thing too.

Leaves change with the seasons, but the roots grow stronger.

The suitcoiner cringefest should not lull anyone into complacency. Once they realize Bitcoin cannot be co-opted and Bitcoin does what it is meant to do, we will be back to the “then they fight you” stage. And this time it will be for real and for keeps.

I wonder what it felt like walking around the Oslo Freedom Forum

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💯. I just posted asking whether it was just me or the conference was a little boring..I think it's just that. There's only so much of "stablecoins" and "institutional interest" I can give a shit about

Bitcoin isn’t supposed to look dangerous anymore.

It’s supposed to feel inevitable.

That’s when it’s working.

We’re never going to orange pill the entire world. At best, a tiny fraction of the world will be orange pilled. But bitcoin will win because even those who hate it will end up using it bc it’s in their best interest to do so.

Empires always smile before they collapse.

Let the suits have their booths and badges.

The virus is airborne.

The chain is permanent.

The reckoning is scheduled.

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Bitcoin is a forcing function that the tradfi bros and degenerates in politics can’t ignore. For the first time in history we are imposing our values on the morally bankrupt and that’s a win.

I didn't feel that at all. I also don't go to conferences

Every innovation reaches an era-defining frontier. It may just be time for the next frontier. Growth never stops good sir. Always upwards and onwards.

Cypherpunks go to bitcoin++ not shitcoin magazine conferences

Sad to see a good portion of the crowd left after Saylor’s talk and did not return for Ross

What I saw esp. with the lending/staking companies on the floor is what I see in any rapidly growing market: a bubble of competition. Tradfi will settle down and stop acting so contrived eventually then we can all dance naked in the jungle together. It's a process.

I understand the frustration. I have it too. But unfortunately you can't have a full barrel and a drunken wife. Some want mass adoption and I would say that for mass adoption things are going well because if politics de-dogizes ₿ he can enter everyone's homes. On the other hand, you obviously lose that thrill of the instrument that goes against the system. The point is one: politics has approached bitcoin not because it wants mass adoption, but because it has understood that not being able to stop it it must become a friend. That's all! Of course, seeing such mainstream conferences on bitcoin (like the one in Lasvegas) would make Nakamoto himself fall to the grave. You can't have everything. Full speed ahead! Fuck the politicians who pretend to be bitcoiners 🏴‍☠️

I understand the frustration. I have it too. But unfortunately you can't have a full barrel and a drunken wife. Some want mass adoption and I would say that for mass adoption things are going well because if politics de-dogizes ₿ he can enter everyone's homes. On the other hand, you obviously lose that thrill of the instrument that goes against the system. The point is one: politics has approached bitcoin not because it wants mass adoption, but because it has understood that not being able to stop it it must become a friend. That's all! Of course, seeing such mainstream conferences on bitcoin (like the one in Lasvegas) would make Nakamoto himself fall to the grave. You can't have everything. Full speed ahead! Fuck the politicians who pretend to be bitcoiners 🏴‍☠️

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Totally agree. You should had visit us to our nostr lounge. cypherpunk, open source, libertarian vibe

Maybe

GM.

I'm so glad I wasn't in Vegas. Everything I have seen confirms my suspicions. The world financial apparatus, led by the US and aided by an army of people who only care about number go up, is trying hard to co-opt Bitcoin into a custodial asset, managed (aka controlled) by them.

Don't fall for it. Bitcoin MUST be a peer to peer technology for it to succeed (NgU is NOT succeeding). I refuse to believe that it's "inevitable" that we'd get this fiat managed outcome when we hit the mainstream.

Bitcoin is money for people; not governments, banks, and corporations. Fuck them. They've had their chance to run things and they've broken nearly everything.

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Yep, you'll have to chose your conf carefully now, but these vibes haven't disappeared, they are just diluted during the wrong events.

Overall the cypherpunks core base still has grown for sure

Not all of us fought for legitimacy and mainstream adoption.

Original cryptoanarchists were a bit elitist, I think Timothy May would laugh at the suits.

But it is what it is, no need to be nostalgic. Bitcoin wins anyway

This, and "influancers" repeating the same message over and over again, adoring themselfs. Minimal if not zero value. Meant to scam you from your precious time and Bitcoin. Avoid, focus on what matters.

Good observation 😎

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I know people “cringe” at being called/labeled an influencer, but we have the power to shape the bitcoin narrative with how we tell stories/verbalize it

get your voice out there as much as possible and other cypherpunks and plebs (like myself) will follow

drown out the suits

1000% agree. I was feeling exactly the same, but wasn’t sure others were willing to admit it.

Moving out of the dorm room moments have been inflection points in history. If Bitcoin has sold its soul to the devil, it was all for naught. Just another Central Bank liquidity tool and the fastest fintech, not racehorse.

Hopefully, it does its thing. Remains a shadowy coder and continues to orange pill the very ones trying to co-opt its power.

I suspect this vibe in Las Vegas is specific to the USA. The value proposition is investment / store of wealth, primarily, in the USA at present. It is different elsewhere, and the vibe at other conferences reflects more of the freedom tech movement. Bitcoin is for everyone. It is beautiful, even when it isn't! 👍🤣

2019 in San Fransisco was a great venue. So was 2020 Bit Block Boom. Things are different, they always change, life stuff.

Well said. Totally agree.

We really need a cypherpunk revival.

Freedom go Up >> Number go Up

suitcoiner, I like it.

Bitcoin is for enemies. And now they run the conferences.

the Multi-Level Marketing and Pyramid Scheme vibes are stronger than ever though...

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This is the beauty of the trojan horse that Bitcoin represents

"They", ie tradfi, don't truly understand the implications of disrupting central banking

Your view of course, having witnessed it, but perhaps that is the current guise most needed to make it to the next level

Someone should have setup a P2P Cash only Satoshi Square

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I pity you Americans, European conferences are cypherpunk as fuck.

Sounds like you need to join us in Oslo 🇳🇴 next year!

that's who shows up to the fancy event. And now it might be who is loud on TV. But we don't have to go anywhere.

this is kinda how it always goes with new things, yes?

grifters do a damn good job of jumping on a bandwaggon and trying to streer it in their direction.

What we have to do is understand what's happening and not become enamored with them. ....if you are secretly longing for wealth, fame, and/or power... they will get ya.

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Stoney used to talk about Eternal September. ( Or something similar )

Maybe it is an impossibility to be underground, raw, grass roots and widely adopted.

Maybe the edginess must come from the things built around it now, dude?

We are getting old 🤣

Estes dois trechos aqui, foi tão impactante para mim, que eu realmente precisei reforçar.

- Mask, polishing, fitting for adaptability - and not the revolution that was expected. 🤌🏻

“On the other, something’s been lost in translation. The raw edge, the revolutionary energy, the sense that we were building something against the system not polishing it up to sell it back to the system.

Maybe that’s just the mask Bitcoin wears while it continues hollowing out the old world from within.”

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And yet, we'll all see you there next year.

Bitcoin has had many diverse demographics since its inception, but the niche I fit into seems to continually branch off and become scarcer over time. Eventually, the Bitcoin space will consist of average, bland, uninteresting people. We will look back on the earlier days with nostalgia for what we once had. However, when we reach that point, we will be on a Bitcoin standard, and by default, the world will be a much better place, less obstructed and diminished by the past fiat regime.

Agreed. The suits are in and young people are as uninterested in btc as they are in the S&P 500. It feels like boomer stock. The truth is that bitcoin’s story is just beginning but the perception in younger generations is that the opportunity for life changing wealth has passed. If you’re looking for a wild ride with an inspired community of believers, join SPX6900 it’s an anti tardfi cult movement. Gives OG bitcoiners nostalgic vibes of the old days and provides spiritual nourishment and community to an increasingly isolated online society.

The cypherpunk spirit will shift to tools and networks built on top of it. They will always go to the edges to solve the next great problem, using the foundation they built to go the next mile.

That’s what #Nostr is and why we are here. It’s the next major piece of the puzzle.

Sure, much like the internet, 5 years ago, you go to a tech conference and it’s nothing but normies and finance bros and all the rest…. The internet was “mainstream.” But then you go to a Bitcoin conference and you find the same rebels, cypherpunks, and people truly trying to change things who were at the beginning of the web, and the next generation who revered them and continued their mission. It is still the culture that built the internet, it is still on the internet, but clustered in that place where they are most likely to change the world again, and make another great leap forward.

The spirit isn’t dying, it only shifts to where it is most needed. And the fire of that spirit is far from extinguished. To the contrary it’s burning brighter than it has in a long, long time, imo.

It’s true the spirit of what would be called “Bitcoin” as a cultural movement has shifted. It was inevitable. But it’s never dead.

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Breathe in deeply and smile. It’s all going to be ok.

Just a branch I hope. I imagine in the future a lot of mrico cultures, all with the same cannon but each creating a different experience from Bitcoin

It’s up to bitcoiners to reclaim that ground. We all have the responsibility to maintain the brand of bitcoin and the cypher-punk ethos.

If anyone decides not to go because their disgusted by the fait shicoinny vibes, that’s cool. The front line is not for everyone and it’s only going to get worse.

We need a conference that one can only buy a ticket somehow directly through a node that they themselves have administrative access to.

It'd be nice to have actual cipherpunks, but at the very least one should need to, you know, run the bitcoin software if they're to be taken seriously at a bitcoin conference.

Perhaps just sell the tickets with a transaction type that at this point isn't supported outright by anything other than bitcoin-cli.

That all said, I'm not sure it's fair to judge the state of Bitcoin by what some circus put on in the city of high time preference by Shitcoin Magazine went like. It may be different all around, but they're the last ones that should get to decide what Bitcoin's vibe is.

Personally I think I'd be more likely to go to a Nostr conference than a Bitcoin one at this point though.

I feel like the cows were a little much

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Replying twice to the same note may not be the best form, but I did want to add that the places where Bitcoin still feels revolutionary are in the privacy protocols being developed like Coinswap and other privacy oriented protocols. And the nice thing is that while these will never be what the powers that be have anything good to say about, they also can't stop it given that it is, at the end of the day, open source code, and it turns out that math is ungovernable.

Rest easy that with enough adoption, you won't need to suffer these circuses of conferences for too long. Nobody holds dollar or gold conventions after all. Privacy conventions could pick up, though getting together to meet in person may be an odd choice for privacy afficionados. Maybe we all need to show up looking like Calle...

Fwiw I've come to the opinion that prior to the suits, the moralist laser eyes outnumbered the cypherpunks 10:1. This is just continuation of a trend.

Maybe you should attend the coming African bitcoin conference for a change. Dec in Mauritius.

Tick Tock, next fucking block.