Fruits and veggies are healthy tho lol, and eating fat doesn’t make you burn fat. That’s not how it works.
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No, they really aren't.
And yes, eating fat does make you burn fat.
There are no essential carbs, only essential amino acids & fatty acids.
Word! ⚡️
There are about a million resources to start down this rabbit hole, but maybe the most entertaining and concise for just introducing the idea is the documentary “The Magic Pill.”
Watch it and then start exploring. The “normal” beliefs about nutrition are absolute nonsense.
Nutrition science is well understood. Saying “eating fat burns fat” is just bizarre and incorrect. Fat is just chemical energy, eating it doesn’t just magically cause you to burn fat and lose weight.
Vegetables do have nutrients, that’s also just a fact. They’re perfectly healthy to eat.
We do not have 5 stomachs, so we cannot efficiently make use of nutrients wrapped in cellulose. Plants also protect themselves by producing things that are toxic (oxalates, lectins, tannins, sapponins, etc).
Sugar & carb consumption produces an emergency hormone response that produces fat. We do not burn fat well while we are producing it. The subsequent hormonal shift back to a more sustainable state produces a crash & hangry cravings. Cravings are compounded by the lack of bioavailable nutrition in plant products.
Eating fat (without sugar & carbs) forces your body to use fat for energy (& produce the small amount of necessary glucose through gluconeogenesis). This puts your body in a hormonal state conducive to burning fat, and makes the transition from burning dietary fat to stored fat almost seemless without a crash or hangry cravings.
I lost almost 50 pounds after having my daughter by simply eating HFLC. Living proof.
before/after
Finally talked my mother (who is approaching 70) into a LCHF diet & she lost 50 or 60lbs too. And it really didn't take all that long. It's amazing how fast we can heal when we give ourselves the right fuel.
It took me 3.5-4 months. Truly. And honestly, it probably could have been faster. At first I limited myself to 100 carbs per day. At the end I dropped it down to 50. Once a week the last month I did a “fat fast” day. If I would have done this, the entire time, I would have lost more even faster. And honestly, fat satisfies you with less. Few things are better than scrambled eggs with whole cream, excessive butter, and a bit of cheese. 🤤
Ok I need to make breakfast now lol
we don't need 5 stomachs because we discovered fire and cooking
Cooking doesn't improve nutrient density, doesn't always eliminate oxalates & other troublesome things, & can also negatively impact nutritional value.
Plants are still poverty food & entirely suboptimal.
You don’t even need to cook vegetables to fully digest them. I’m not going to go into how to confirm somethings been digested but it should be p obvious.
"nutritional science is well understood" sure, by a healthcare system and government pushed nutritional regime that has produced the most disgustingly unhealthy and sickly population to literally *ever* walk the earth.
If you think you know something because its "normal" you've completely lost sight of reality. With respect.
The number of people who believe a thing never has & never will have any bearing on what is true.
If we judge by history actually, the more people who believe a thing is almost evidence that it's absolutely f*ckng wrong 🤣
The government and healthcare system isn’t forcing you to eat like a pig and not exercise. Those are decisions ppl make on their own.
And yes, we do understand how to optimise diets, it’s something professional athletes, body builders, etc do on a daily basis.
So Shawn Baker is in his mid 50s & keeps setting new world rowing records for his age group & he attributes this to his switch to carnivore diet.
Zach Bitter held the 100 mile world record for a time & attributes his success to low or zero carb training & recovery. He still uses carbs in the week or so prior to a race, but he goes zero carb after races & the difference in recovery isn't even close. He can run again by the end of the week, where previoisly he was laid up for most of a month.
There are clearly well funded interests promoting plant based eating & yet every major athlete who makes the switch seems to be more injury prone & to rather quickly fall out of their prime.
Mikaila Peterson put her extreme rheumatoid arthiritis into complete remission. People are putting MS into remission with an all meat diet. People are actually curing T2D. And it has certainly helped me with my gut issues among other things.
I think the evidence is very clear once you start looking & let go of your biases.
Just briefly looking into Shawn Baker, it appears he may be running a cult of personality scam like many personalities do.
He shills his book and carnivore diet monthly subscription service (lmao), and seems to have just straight up taken over $200,000 dollars from his followers on gofundme that was intended for a clinical study and instead used it as investment capital for his company Revero. It’s just a brief glance but it’s very sus imo.
Okay dude... I guess nevermind my personal experience which you jeep refusing to acknowledge at all. You can fuck off now.
I’m js maybe be cautious of ppl that are just trying to sell you something.
Yeah, I haven't bought anything from him & I've been following him (and many others) since way before he was selling anything. You have demonstrated an embarassing lack of intelligence during this convo & you should feel bad. Go away
You don’t have to get all rude and pissy with me just because you’ve been btfo, jeez. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day.
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The majority of people I know who say “Fruits and vegetables are healthy” and “You need a balanced diet” are overweight and not healthy. Particularly vegetarians & vegans.
Love this take and completely true. Ask them to show you a study showing vegetables are necessary for human flourishing.
*SBF enters the chat*
If they’re overweight, it’s because they’re eating a surplus of calories, not because they eat vegetables lol.
Just telling you what I see here. They think eating vegetables equates to being healthy and they can eat all the crap they want. Look up Slutty Vegan grand opening videos. It’s a wildly popular vegan chain that always has people lined up around the block. Look at the people in line.
One of my daughters research papers into oxalate toxicity has steered me clear of over half of the veggies I used to eat.
The super conductor in our skull and semiconductors in our cells don’t do well on rabbit food.
hmmmk but do you even Soliton Model , brah ?
Yes, some people have very poor diets and justify it by saying “oh well I eat veggies”. But saying “most healthy ppl don’t eat vegetables” is completely ridiculous lol.
Reread what I said. I didn’t say most people who don’t eat vegetables are healthy. I said, “People who say you need to eat vegetables to be healthy” are overweight and not healthy. You do realize that over 72% of people in the US are overweight right?
Are you saying fruits and vegetables are the cause of the high percentage of overweight people in the US?
Not at all. I’m saying what has been taught as a healthy & balanced diet in the US has led to a fat & unhealthy population.
One of the few things linked to longevity, tho. 🤷🏽
Yes. This is true.
It's mostly grains & sugar & veg oils. And all the highly processed & highly profitable garbage being sold as "plant based" & "hearth healthy" foods.
We should actually know the effects of these things. Farmers fatten livestock (induce metabolic disfuction) with grains. They get ducks & geese addicted to sugary grain mixtures to produce foie gras. It really shouldn't be that confusing when kids stuffing their faces with cereal drowned in skim milk start showing up with fatty liver disease.
My "hearth" must have given my thumbs myocarditis
1 million percent.
I do find it interesting that most people who argue with me about my “unbalanced and unhealthy” way of eating tend not to be in the best shape.
You would think they would be more open minded when talking to someone that is clearly doing well. It is a symptom of the momentum of indoctrination they have received all their lives, or desperation that the fix they have chosen could be wrong.
In addition, anything more complex that one sentence of “eat this” or “don’t eat this” is TLDR;
I fast (and eat meat/fat preferentially) and have had exactly one person over the last 4 years ask to really understand.
Isn’t it incredible? Most people who remember me obese do ask what I do to keep fit now. When I tell them I usually get one of 2 answers-
“I could never do that, I’d miss _____
too much.” FYI it’s always something processed and unhealthy.
Or “There is no way eating like that is healthy for you.”
In the end, it has to be sustainable. Not just to lose w/e you want. It has to be part of your life and not just a punishment you are putting yourself through to “drop the pounds”
This is anecdotal and doesn’t really prove anything.
I have the same anecdote for the opposite argument. All of the vegetarian and vegans I know are very healthy. And I know a lot of them.
Most of the ones I know, even the super active ones, either look very unhealthy, are often bloated & gassy, or struggle with undesirable body composition issues (still not happy with abs, etc) & they tend to blame age.
There are quite a few recovering vegans out there who talk about their health completely collapsing after some nunber of years despite all sorts of efforts at supplementation & rather extraordinary lengths to "do things right."
From what I've seen, the difference in outcomes between vegans & vegetarains who cheat once in a while vs those who don't is pretty dramatic. It seems that the human body is pretty amazing & a little cheating can go a long way.
It’s worth noting that industrial farming practices in the US that lead to the degradation of soil have resulted in vegetables that have very low nutritional value. There’s an inaccuracy in blaming the vegetables themselves.
It’s also worth noting that there’s specific knowledge that goes into being able to have a proper vegan or vegetarian diet and not everyone has that knowledge. There’s a large percentage of people who are “doing it wrong.”
This. 🎯 on both points.
I ate a whole food, plant based diet for almost 3 years and most vegans I know were fat.
What are you basing that on, the low nutritional value bit?
It’s been widely studied. The link between the health of the soil and the resulting nutritional value of whatever grows from that soil.
It has to do with soil as an ecosystem that needs biodiversity. Monoculture and fertilizers and most industrial farming practices significantly reduce the quality of the soil by “killing off” many of the crucial components of the soil ecosystem (many microorganisms for example).
Does that make sense?
I’d like to see a study comparing nutrient density over time or something similar. You can look up nutrient content in vegetables, and that’s also been studied and verified.
Yeah. In this day and age there’s a study for almost anything.
I believe it because it makes complete sense to me and because I’ve studied permaculture and many of my friends have permaculture projects. I have personal experience with eating veggies that come from very healthy soil and I can immediately feel the difference in my body. From taste to resulting energy to feeling satiated to better digestion.
The direction you should study is glyphosate and its effect on soil biodiversity.
I actually was really healthy as a vegan with the exception of anemia. I rarely ate processed foods or sugar though and most vegans eat an abundance of them.
There is a HUGE vegan community in my city and most and the most popular vegan fast food chain in the country started here. Sure it’s anecdotal, but the overwhelming majority of the community including the owner of that chain is overweight. Also from looking at medical histories every time I see a patient for the past 25 years, most are unhealthy as well.
I would speculate that this has more to do with “doing it wrong.”
A common mistake people make is to start eating a lot of processed foods as “meat alternatives,” and not knowing how to eat combinations that are satiating so they end up overeating.
Sure, but the fact is that they are fat on meds, but think are healthy because they eat a plant based diet.
The only 2 very fit vegans I know were in my triathlon club and I believe they would be in optimal shape no matter what diet they followed.
What do you mean by “fat on meds?”
I think we are generally agreeing?
We’re saying that people on plant based diets can still be very unhealthy. That many people equate plant based dieting with health, and that being on a plant based diet is not sufficient to be healthy if you are going about it in an unhealthy way (processed food, sugar, overeating because they haven’t figured out how to eat satiating meals, etc.)
And that plant based diets are not themselves unhealthy. That it’s possible to be healthy on a plant based diet.
Fat and on medications.
Yes we are mostly agreeing. I KNOW that it is possible to be mostly healthy on a plant based diet. It reversed my diabetes. BUT the vast majority are not healthy. I do not see this same phenomenon in people who follow the the carnivore diet.
Fat and on medications for what?
I don’t know about the “vast majority.” I guess it depends on where you are.
I believe what you are saying about where you are.
Where I am, the vast majority of people on plant based diets are very healthy.
Usually obesity related chronic diseases like high blood pressure or diabetes. The longest vegan I know is a patient and dear friend who has eaten plant based for over 40 years. She is 100lbs overweight.
I’ve come to the conclusion that (1) exercising and (2) eating a low ingredient, nutrient dense diet is the best thing you can do for your health.
The most nutrient dense, low ingredient diet there is, is the carnivore diet.
Amen
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since i eat steaks and 3 eggs EVERY DAY i feel healthier, stronger and better than ever before.
steaks give you all nuitrients and vitamins except vitamin c which you get from liver.
why do you think the genociders want to take steaks and eggs from the menu?
I have not found liver to be helpful at all, just the opposite actually. Seemed to have a negative impact on energy levels.
I don't think C is a major issue. Fruits & supplements that contain it all just seem to make me break out.