Intrigued in whether there is a difference of opinion on Nostr v Twitter.
Ukraine / Russiaā¦thoughts?
Musk / Trump handling of the situationā¦thoughts?
Discussion
The sooner young men stop shooting each other the better.
Trump is handling it better than Biden.
I donāt have access to reliable information to offer much insight to be honest. Waiting to speak to Ukrainian friends to hear what theyāre saying.
Iām assuming everyone on X is an expert though so Iām glad I donāt have an account.
This is my take, Peter:
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End the war. Ukrain is a deep state shill.
Certainly a radical shift from the previous āconsensusāā¦ Iām judging their actions on outcomes, and it remains to be seen if they can achieve peace. I genuinely hope some sort of sustainable deal can be achieved though sadly Iām sceptical
Peace is good. Russia is one of the largest brutal dictatorships today. Trump is just forcing the issue. In a bad way, but he is forcing the issue.
The hope is that Europe takes the lead and finishes the deal with substantial agreements to restore order.
I am not sure if Ukraine will get any land back. I am not sure if they want to get. Maybe get the people in each state to choose in some real referendums, somehow.
Europe needs stronger, larger militaries, or they can't offer anyone much of anything.
They're increasingly not even invited to the negotiating table.
Might makes right.
The real problem is not the land and never was. Ukrainians are totally fine to consider territories to be changed
The issue is that rusia is not after territories. And if Ukraine doesnāt get back territories and the aggressor doesnāt get severely punished ā it will only incentivize him to double down after a break and a work on mistakes.
This is the hardest part politicians do not want to discuss ā because the issue is much longer then their political career
I remember Crimean referendum with armed russian military by the voting booths. Fun times.
city of London / Satanic bloodlines squabbling over resources.
Most of the opinions on X did not even bother watching the 1H negotiation , just soundbites for clout to be honest
Nostr seems to appreciate the long for media more than the x crew. Being inform vs soundbites is a great example of this.
The behaviour of Trump and Vance towards Zelensky in the White House was disgraceful.
But if we turn a blind eye to the process for a second; If the end result of all this madness is a Europe that is taking much better care of own security and interests without having to bend the knee to Uncle Sam, thatās not too bad. Big if, and long timescale before it can be realized.
And I support Jeffrey Sachsā view that itās about time Europe opens up diplomatic channels towards Russia and tries to end the bloodshed in some shape or form - where Ukraine remains a sovereign nation.
Oh, and article 5 of NATO - rest in peace..
Speaking of diplomacy channels with rusians, how you rate them betweeb 2004-2022?
Not great! But this was also the period of NATO Ā«open door policyĀ», which in retrospect seems unwise. And Merkel was also opposed to much of it. Maybe diplomacy wont work, but at least Europe should take more control of own fate. Sachs has some good takes: https://youtu.be/_RNE3X41IvM
Let me remind you that maybe for you or some EU country it ādidnāt go greatā because you could have gotten lower gas prices
But for us durint this period they assassinated our best ever president, installed puppet govt, robbed us on Sevastopol, annexed Crimea, invaded 10% of our territory, broken hundreds of ceasefires and deals, shot international flight and eventually launched full scale invasion
And mostly because Merkel wanted to appease pootin, rejected Ukraine from NATO and didnāt do a shit to help Ukraine in terms of international laws
So thats how rusia diplomacy works
Please tell me its all about Ukraine joining NATO (ignoring Finland and others) and I will be free to ignore you farther on :)
Not sure our opinions are that far apart actually.. Discussions online often leave much to be desired.
I'm from Norway - and in terms of gasprice we have benefited wildly. This weekend there was an op.ed signed by apx 50 of our most renowned economists stating that Norway should spend this excess income on supporting Ukraine. I think that is a good idea, and a good start for Europe to become more independent from US.
How do you have fair diplomacy with an offender, that is not willing to talk with the defender inlany circumstances? It is kind of clear, that Putin is lying about his willingness to talk about an end, so Russian supporters have a propaganda argument against the support of Ukraine. Not to stop attacking for real.
When Putin wants to end this war. He just ends it. Period.
Yeah, I donāt trust Putin at all either, but I hope Europe can take more control of our own fate. Lot of good takes from Sachs here: https://youtu.be/_RNE3X41IvM
more to your point:
"Russia insists that Ukraine should cede additional territories beyond those currently occupied, including areas not fully under Russian control"
"Putin has previously demanded that Ukraine surrender all of the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia regions even though Russian forces do not occupy large parts of the Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia regions"
My stepdad was drafted into Vietnam and became a medic helicopter pilot. While he was there the only information he got was complete US propaganda. He thought they were heroes, fighting for a just cause. Until they returned home to huge protests, people calling them murderers and hurling bottles and debris at them. It really fucked him up and I donāt think heās recovered from it to this day.
Right or wrong, I like at the current things through that lens. I honestly have no idea whatās going on over there, but Iām very hesitant anytime our government gets involved.
Iām certain citizens on both sides are suffering and I hope it ends as soon as possible. I operate on the assumption that US red team and blue team donāt really give a fuck about the suffering citizens. Based on their track record, it feels like a pretty damn safe assumption.
Why are you talking of both ends? They fight in the Ukraine. You can count the number of cities that are flattened and then in which country they are at. Then you come very fast to the conclusion which end is suffering. The other end acted so this is our reality. Ukraine reacted to make the problem smaller then it would be without defending.
I especially ālikeā the way the Russians are āliberatingā russian-speaking cities. Can you see all the happy āliberatedā people here? 
I think the world is having a hard time adjusting to the new reality that the US isnāt interested in policing the world, and Zelensky seems to be one of those struggling to digest the new information.
Whoever Zelenskyās advisor is needs to be sacked too - he went in provocative.
Having said that, I think this also showed the flaws in Trumpās personality. He handled it like a drunk who had his feelings hurt, and just reacted.
No idea how Musk has spun it.
So tell me your opinion on how this works ā you take the biggest nuclear arsenal forcefully from a country promising to police the world and less then a generation after you just change your mind?
It sucks. But your comment proves my point. The world is having a hard time accepting the new reality.
We can either cry about how unfair it is, or adjust.
All the complaining in the world will not change he fact that domestic politics is setting the tone for how engaged the US with the rest of us.
What is the new reality? That UN is unnecesary and the order of strength returned back and the main foreign strategy for non nuclear countries from now on ā is to build nuclear weapon ā is this the new reality you want to enter in?
It doesn't matter what I want to 'enter in'
The US has been policing the world since WW2. Now it has changed its mind.
So youāve accepted your fait and started observer mode since we are all just small puzzles and canāt do anything?
That depends. What do you suggest I could do about it?
There is an infinite amount of options one could do in any situation, from zero to hero, depending on what side of history you want to be on (and if you so at all)
Give me one that changes it.
Well one simplest thing you could start with is to stop saying that Zalnsky is struggling with ānew informationā and call it as is ā US robbed Ukraine, lied to us and the US citizens are cool with genocide of innocent people they lied to if friendship with aggressor make them some bucks
IMO its a decent first step that doesnāt cost you much, reflects reality and stands to objective truth as close as possible
1. He is struggling with the new reality.
He has grown accustomed to expecting people to keep sending him money and arms
2. That reality has changed.
3. He is struggling with that new reality - as is the rest of the world.
That IS the reality. That is objective truth.
There is no lie in there, it is as clear as can be. The US is no longer interested in policing the world ( at least not unless they get something from it. )
I think you overestimate amount and quality of help in general and weapon in particular coming from US. And I assume you falsely think that Ukrainians stop fighting once US help stops. This is pretty far from the truth
Stopping all US help would be hard but that wonāt force Ukrainians to surrender and die. At least not this year. Similar applies to the rest of aid from partners
Thats why its not actually a new reality but just an obstacle for Ukraine. Its a big obstacle and a huge backstab from people (not govt) considered to
be partners and friends, but nothing world-stopping. But I know everyone would want to believe in it
But when you depict US support as the choice between to proceed fighting for our lives or get to our knees ā that helps aggressor in general, shows your ignorance of Ukraine and make you look like you think Ukrainians are just miserable bugs and donāt deserve to live normal life.
None of that was in my comment. This is you imagining an argument in your head, and projecting it onto me.
My point was simple - the world is struggling to digest the new reality that the US is pulling back from providing cover.
Nothing I said implied Ukraine would stop fighting. Everything I said was to say that is all they can do.
I think where people are really having a hard time understanding that really the last 75 years or so may have been completely manufactured by the intelligence communities/ military industrial complex around the world, in order to perpetuate the money laundering and grift.
The entire Cold War itself may have been a fake out??
How many more false flags and ānarrow escapesā are we going to accept?
The whole thing seems to be built off a faulty premise. Only now do we have the technology to enable the transparency needed in order to start understanding the inner workings of how this is all been going down and people in power that have a remote appetite to look into itā¦
The people never wanted any of this. Those in the ruling class were always the one brainwashing the population into thinking policing the world was the right thing to do. This is now the new reality that people have awoken to realizeā¦
I'm not going to go as far as say the cold war was all a lie, or faulty premise.
Certainly there was a risk that Communism was going to grow in influence post WW2, but I would agree or nod through the idea that the threat was 'fluffed up' to make sure the 'people' we on side.
Ironically that is what is missing now, and led us to here. The 'people' are not 'on board' with that premise.
I'm not saying it is right, wrong, irrelevant or anything in between.
I am merely saying the world has changed. The US has pulled back - they are shouting it loud and clear - we all need to listen and think about what that means.
I have no idea where it leads. I do know that before the US took on that role as global policeman, we all had to look out for our own trade routes, and project power.
I don't know what that world looks like if we revert there either.
Yes. No one does. To your point, it just is what it is. The sovereign individual predicted we would evolve into more local communities and understanding and governing from a more local level anyway. So it does fit that theme of nation states and empires losing power.
What's the twitter take?
I think it's good that he's trying to bring an end to the war. People are far too concerned with the principle of teaching Putin a lesson, but at the expense of lives.
The whole thing is an ugly mess, but it's better it ends even if it means it feels like a loss.
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You suggest to end the war by killing a victim, if you are even dumb enough not to see it š
Wars have always ended. The sooner it ends, the sooner all killing stops. It will feel like a defeat for Ukraine - I don't like it, but it seems better than continuing at such great expense of lives and taxpayer money.
THANK YOU for your wisdom American Goddess, Iām grateful for your existence, excuse me Iām not wearing my suit right now!
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So when Russia attacks the USA today. Your argumentation would then follow to install a russian leader. Since defending the country leads to death on both sides. And this is most important that it does not happen. Therefore defending should be something bad.
No that's not my argument. The specific circumstances here are that Ukraine doesn't seem able to defend itself without continued Western funding, and also negotiations to end the war are plausible.
Would you prefer more US + EU + UK funding and weapons and for the war to continue (even at the risk of Russia using nuclear weapons)?
I would prefer US, UK and other nuclear states to either commit to their obligations in defending Ukrainian sovereignty and borders make us a 3rd biggest nuclear country again.
Even at risk of nuclear war. Because for Ukrainians there is completely no difference: to die from a bullet, missile, FPV drone, shakhed, tortures, in a rusian prison or from a nuclear explosion
Absolutelt no difference. Its so inspiring to see how poor westerners want to see us some sort of saint sufferers to give our lives for them š
I don't want you to give up your lives for us. But I also don't want nuclear war - it's not just Ukraine at risk in that situation.
I hope peace can be negotiated, even if it means both Russia and Ukraine don't get everything they want.
You support genocide of Ukrainian because you are afraid of nuclear war. This is the truth.
And Its totally normal though because its human behavior. Everyone cares only about their asses.
But you have to understand how stupid you look when you try to justify your fear with some humanistic shit like āoh taxpayers moneyā āoh people are dyingā āoh rusians are also humans that sufferā
Just be brave to admit:
- āi donāt give a shit whats going on in Ukraine because I have my problems to solveā
- āi donāt give a fuck whats happening to Ukrainians unless it affects meā
Have you ever watched a movie about hackers or bitcoin where you know the topic and you feel spanish shame for what actors are saying?
Thats exactly how it feels to be a Ukrainian today :) there is no multiverse where āneither rusia nor Ukraine get what they wantā (in other words where rusia gains 20% instead of 100% TODAY and Ukraine loses 20% instead of 0% TODAY) - where even worse war doesnār start in the nearest future
I generally agree. But it is not normal human behaviour, to think egoistic. Normal is empathic, feeling with others and support. Egoistic behaviour is trained.
You know the book "Humankind: a hopeful history"?
No, I donāt know. I will check it, thanks :)
I think that our homo sapiens nature is egoistic, but we as humanity want to believe in something bigger, in our exceptional role in the universe ā and transition from egoism to empathy/altruism etc ā is one of the steps
However, problems, like a war for instance ā push us back to our root, to nature, to egoism.
So while we should try to act as we are all together here and we have a greater goal ā it is totally justifiable when we try to save our own shit
For sure everyone needs stability to help someone.
But the egoist theory you describe sound like the theory of Thomas Hobbes. The book I referenced defaces this theory with a big wave of facts that contradict with this theory 180Ā°
Trump seems to legitimately going for peace. A deal Russia seem content with.
EU globalist and Zelensky seem to be disappointed and angry peace is on the table. They seem to want more young men to die. They appear to want a full blown EU v Russian war, but why?
Starmer saying āboots on the groundā is a massive statement. Would you be happy for Starmer to send Conor to the Ukrainian boarder?
Putin is a dictator, but diplomacy is about ending war with those you donāt agree with. This is an off ramp that should be celebrated, yet the left are angry that the complete destruction of Russia hasnāt been achieved. Shows a lack of geopolitical thinking.
How did diplomacy do in 2004-2022?
Americans are tired of paying for loosing wars. We we will under no circumstances support active involvement of our military. It needs to end ASAP.
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All a distraction from Gaza.
We should defend Ukraine because they gave up their nukes, but there's also grƦy area because war sucks.
The grey area makes it great at keeping people talking about something other than Gaza. There is no gray area in Gaza, so none of this shit matters, we're just a Nazi Germany sequel.
I had the same thought, today. There's this big theater, over Ukraine, but nothing is happening, and then Israel is making big moves and getting massive weapons deliveries, and nobody cares.
Everything feels very coordinated.
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EU has been sleeping regarding defense for years relying on US while completely ignoring Russia warnings about the Nato expansion, now EU has no chance of backing Ukraine even less with US pulling out. EU and Ukraine should try to reach a peace agreement, they will have to concede, it's the price to pay for being arrogant and asleep over the years.
they could all start saying GM to each other
I totally agree with this take! š«”š„š¤
I am not going to slice this from a moral standpoint of whoās right or whoās wrong, but I will say that Zelensky doesnāt have the cards even if the EU backed him. He will just be having his young men killed in a war that they canāt possibly win. The best thing he can do is to make peace. I donāt know how much leverage he will have though but itās definitely not much.
I get less of all that political discussion on here. Iām thankful for that
Russia is the aggressor.
Ukraine is the invaded.
Musk and Trump are a pair of childish and selfish desperate attention seekers.
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UKRAINE WAS PUSHED TO GIVE UP THEIR A-BOMBS IN THE 90s AND GOT PROTECTION PROMISES BY USA, UK AND RUSSIA. NOW, TWO OF THESE "GUARDS" ATTACKED THE COUNTRY. THE WHOLE WORLD IS LEARNING THAT THERE IS NO POWER IN PAPER, ONLY IN MILITARY STRENGTH. THE WORLD WILL GET MORE ARMED DUE TO LACK OF THIS DISTRUSTFUL BEHAVIOR.
Monkey killing, monkey killing, monkey over
Pieces of the ground
Silly monkeys
Give them thumbs, they forge a blade
And where there's one, they're bound to divide it
Right in two
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Hot political discourse and discussions in my opinion donāt belong in the open forums of social media.
In a perfect world it seems like a good idea but without the nuance and complexity of face to face dialogue on such complex topics it will always end up at the lowest common denominator, and serves no purpose but to bolster the opinions of either side of the argument with no real progress being made in what should be the ultimate goal.
Solving the problem at hand, whatever that may beā¦.
Best answer!
All good reasons to convert more BTC to Monero.
I think that we poked the bear one too many times in our relationship with Ukraine, and that Putin reacted rationally to it. I think that Trump is a master negotiator, and that he it's handling the situation in exactly the way he intended to. We'll see if it's the correct tactic in the long run.
Where do you idiots come from?
Would you care to craft a well reasoned rebuttal, or did your mother not reach you that calling people names is rude?
Not only my mother but a lot of people taught me that supporting genocide is bad.
I thought there are a lot of good rusians between 2014 and 2022. Iām not going to make the same mistake by believing in the goos us citizens for 8 years again, enough, you are the same as rusians and donāt deserve to even be educated (:
If you want to refer me to an article that helps me to be educated, by all means. I'm not defending the actions of Russia in invading Ukraine, and I'm not defending the US in supporting the war effort. Neither side is innocent, but I support peace negotiations as this war is not benefitting Ukranians in any way.
https://www.tiktok.com/@the_borys_official/video/7479827229812231430?_r=1&_t=ZM-8uXiiVWrQo9
Highly recommend to find a way to translate it, should be very interesting to those like you š
Please do not mess up NOSTR with silly politics. I love the people on NOSTR for not being so politicial.
FYI thats to you its silly politics, they destroyed my country, killed my friends, ruined my life and us with us citizens are making us bad and justifying aggressor, thats how it works when you donāt have much privileges and donāt decide where to get borned.
are you able to leave your country because you are not satisfied with their provided security?
not trying to be antagonistic, its a serious question
First of all I am very sorry for your losses and the situation. No one can possibly imagine what you have gone trough.
I am not a US citizen and if you ask me, DT is completely wrong on this. We are as Europeans aligned. Still I like NOSTR vs X because there are not so many debates about politics, espacially not so much about US politics.
Iām totally fine that it doesnāt touch you (now). But calling the biggest war in a couple of generations āa silly politicsā ā doesnāt draw you as someone who should be listened. JFYI
NATO and whoever controls it seems to have been hellbend on dragging the west into a nuclear Armageddon with Russia for the last 30 years or so. From Sachs, Chomsky, Meirsheimer to Ron Paul.
Some speculate about the intention of trying to create a new Khazaria in Ukraine (Listening to the Chabad Lubavitch Rabbi's). Zelensky has even referenced to Israel as a comparison to the future Ukraine.
The persecution of the Christian communities also looks like something we have seen before. Armenia and Bolshevism under CCCP. Considering aprox. 200 mio. Christians has been killed the last century.
1889 - 'La Verite Israelite' by Rabbi Reichorn, "Wars are the Jews' harvest."
1862 - 'Rome and Jerusalem' by Rabbi Moses Hess, "No war can be undertaken without the Jews having a hand in it."
1952 - 'Emergency Council of European Rabbis in Budapest' by "We will be the ones who will benefit from the next war, and we will take over the world, and we will make the gentiles our slaves, and we will rule the world, and we will be the masters of the world"
And every sitting Israeli priminister and Rabbi can be quoted for similar intends. Just saying, people need to take this shit serious.
As Voltaire (our great humanist) said:
"I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race."
I think itās funny that youāll be excoriated for calling a britisher a European until shit pops off over there and then suddenly every british person is a European.
Seems Trump has genuine desire to end the war, so full support. Other leaders have no real, timely, path to peace.
And love how Trump handles things; transparent and with conviction. Need this from leaders.
No denying heās generally a bit of a wanker, but so are most politicians in their own way.
Russia is agressor. They should not invade sovereign countries. Musk and Trump are both idiots.
Russia is the aggressor. Blows my mind that Trump thinks Ukraine is to blame.
War, war is stupid. And people are stupid. And I am stupid. I dont understand why people dont realize that theyāre voting for WW3. All the western leaders we voted in wanted war escalation - except Trump. If Kamala is president, American soldiers will be the ones mostly āboots on the groundā. Blood is on our hands voters.
curious about this; pls report back your findings š
Trump and Musk simply AREN'T handling the situation. The only thing they care about is making money. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian people are dying, and their president gets berated for not wearing a suit, not groveling at their feet or not saying "thank you" enough times?!
As an American, I am ashamed of my country; Trump is an embarrassment.
Thanks for your support
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Russian invaded Ukraine. Ukraine doesnt want to be part of Russia. not sure what else to say about it.
This is overly simplistic and doesnāt speak to how it could be resolved.
how it could be resolved: russian solders leave ukrainian territory. done
Agreed, a solution, but again, overly simplistic.
Territory changes hands all the time. It belongs to no one. Whomever occupies it until challenged.
Ukrainian leadership could just as easily end the conflict by negotiating.
so Crimea held a vote and they voted to go back to Russia in 2014 after the Ukrainian government got overthrown by neo Nazis and they started ethnically cleansing eastern Ukraine.
Two other Ukrainian regions in the East also voted and decided to become independent countries.
that's when the Ukrainian civil war started.
calling it a Russian invasion is misleading. Russia only entered Crimea after they democratically decided to leave Ukraine and go back to Russia.
just because one country acts aggressively towards another friendlier country doesnt mean we should perpetuate the war. do what it takes within reason for peace and if russia continues agression then we can proceed from there. no sense going world war 3 over this, unfortunate or not for Ukraine. Zelenske will eventually die, Putin will eventually die, and we will have new leaders making new rules, drawing new lines. lets not cause this to spill the blood thousands or god forbid millions more people.
-speaking as a post leftist
Yeahā¦ its all easy talk. Imagine your neighbour takes over half your garden, your neighbour from two blocks away tells you to just give it up and also he tells you he will start using your pool. Then some random dude on the internet tells you your gonna die soon anyway, your neighbour is gonna die soon. So give it all up, nothing is gonna happen and at least you will have peace (with a neighbour that has broken 2 treaties in 10 years already). Cool storyā¦
i think their is a bit more to the story than just agrrssion for the sake of a land grab. The west knew that expanding their influence in Ukraine would provoke him. imagine China starts funding Mexicos military and completely influences their government to allign with China. we would probably go fight Mexico. our we bad for trying to keep threats away from our homeland? id say yes, but maybe mexico should not have allowed china to weezle their way in as well.
what is easy talk is saying the guy attacking you is bad
or rather, the easyiest most immediately beneficial statement for the defender, is always, "help, im in danger, the person attacking me is doing so for no reason, i am completely innocent." not saying putin is innocent, just that maybe its not worth going to world war over yet.
thanks for posting this, been wondering the same thing, more than just memes anyways. been waiting for your uk perspective
any studied game theorists on here that can bring some light to the best course of action?
Musk has nothing to do with handling US foreign affairs. It's odd his name appears associated with Ukraine/Russia other than as a pundit.
He's running DOGE. He can tweet all he wants about it.
Putin got mad dirt on Trump and Vanceā¦?
and most politicians worldwide
Putin the true king
Warmongering is childish. Ukraine and Isreal have done nothing for the US but we somehow end up spending billions on them causing countless deaths and setting back future generations if not ending them. Shit has to stop. Iām done helping displaced families flee from the conflicts we have caused just so the central bankers & military industrial complex can make a profit off of wars that are never meant to end peacefully. Everything weāve done in the Middle East was a waste. I wish I could say differently but I canāt, I wish I could say I was there for the betterment of the people but we werenāt. Ukraine is the same shit just a different day.
Ukrainian people should be allowed to vote. To believe that we know better than the Ukrainian people is such an interesting perspective to me. To see a president cancel elections and silence the voice of his people because of war is a š©. I ask my liberal friends about this and they said since they are at war it is OK. Then I ask what if Mexico attacked California and Trump cancelled electionsā¦.ādictatorā. What if was Biden and they attacked Texasā¦.āgreat leaderā.
It is unconstitutional to hold elections during a martial law in the country. Everything is legal. Not only that, the recent unanimous vote in the Ukrainian parliament confirmed the full legitimacy of the UA president.
Point taken. This is why I try to stay out of what I donāt fully understand. I canāt have a strong stance when I have no skin in the game and am reliant on what I am able to learn on the internet from the other side of the world. Are you Ukrainian? Not picking a fight truly curious.
100% support Trump
I think you'll find lot of the responses to be similar. There are two ways to look at this: Putin was wrong, Ukraine has a right to defend itself, and the whole world is responsible for funding that, even if it comes at the expense of WW2 or at minimum a bloody kinetic war. In all of this, Ukraine continues to lose young men, knowing very well that they will never win.
The other way to look at it is we have to do something about this- let's negotiate peace with the aggressor, even if that means ceding ground. Yes the terms are not great but they never are for the losing side. It's not ideal but it's the only way you get to peace.
The US cannot embroil itself in another forever war especially with debt and deficits this high. Another war impacts it's already fragile debt levels and ruins a lot of lives though inflation.
so yeah, it's a difficult position but there isn't a straight easy answer
I am fully convinced everyone from the West should first read this article to comprehend what is actually going on and how long this has been going on for. before leaving an opinion primarily based on their preferred news source.
Lessons from Russiaās First Assault on Ukraine: 20 Years Since Tuzla - CEPA
Thanks, reading now.
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Trump is just phase 2 of the same plan. Zelensky is a puppet. Putin is the only honest player, but that makes him predictable and therefore controllable
Nostr is the future, X is the past
nostr:npub1563z6kxmvuy7s8zhzan8m0hzmkavyfzg2aw6h7f0fvcvdms398csaxc9n6 PLEASE parody this super broad and reaching question.
Was wondering if there's any difference in: Names things people are extremely heated and passionate about just to farm engagement
Trump is a fucking moron and it shows everyday, in every single issue. Let's hope Europe sends in actual troops.
It's worse than I thought when Trump won the election. Elon is pissing me off with his stupid victim blaming memes.
We all want their minerals, nobody cares about plebs dying, even kids. Late stage fiat, kep your heads down and build your life.
Mafia vs Mafia classic shit.
It's not Russia vs Ukraine is Russian Government vs Ukrainian government with civils casualties between them.
We should stop being gaslighted by the mafias propaganda, people don't want to kill each other.
In that sense Trump seems much more human and less sociopath than the others
fuck them both.
fuck them both.
Ukraine is just money laundering proxy war.
Elon Musk is the antiChrist and trump is just a puppet.
A good advert for why Nostr is preferable to X/Twitter.
Many solid replies, though the opinions range they are well articulated. A similar post on Twitter would be met with a MAGA pile on - "Why don't you send your kids to the front lines", "Zelenskyy is the worst, Putin wants peace"...
It is just a puke of bots, AI accounts, trolls and idiots. X/Twitter replies have lost all meaning, it is just 8Chan on crack, weaponised ideological idiots and propaganda.
Nostr for the win!
Trump knows how to play people and is a master manipulator. I think he placates some (Putin) and is hostile to others who are supposed to be allies. Just to help his position in negotiations. Nothing he says should be taken at face value. It's all a play. In a way it works.
It's no different to Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Libya etc
The US war machine manufactures a war, and when they have finished printing money to siphon it back to their weapons companies, and bleed their rivals dry, they pull out.
Rinse and repeat.
IMO Putin is an evil dictator and needs to be deterred from invading sovereign nations. The good guys are those who help deter him.
They said the same about Saddam. They say the same about the Gazans.
I would argue Saddam was an evil dictator, but I didnāt support invading Iraq for regime change, just as I wouldnāt support invading Russia for regime change. However, there are (some) similarities between Iraq invading Kuwait and Russia invading Ukraine. Thatās where deterrence comes into play. It is prudent IMO to discourage dictators redrawing sovereign boundaries.
The point isn't if some leader is good or bad, the question is simple. Is the cure worse than the disease?
NATO = BAD
I donāt unterstand how weakening the victim should convince the attacker to stop attacking? Itās nonsense. If your opponent takes your queen at chess, he won't suddenly offer you a draw. The Russians will say: āThank you! Now we can archive our goals militarily much easierā. Why should they ānegotiateā now? All they have to do is wait and they will do it. Mark my words!
The Russian government is an invader, Putin a dictator, Zelenski a fool and ppl are dying.
I hate Musk, but i think his doing right with DOGE so far
I don't trust Trump, he will say a lot of BS, let's wait and see what he ACTUALLY does, not what he says.
>let's wait and see what he ACTUALLY does, not what he says.
Umm 75 executive orders, installing an anti-vaxxer for head of HHS, a deep state conspiracy theorist for head of FBI, and letting Elon Musk and the DOGE Babies root access to Federal payment systems... and oh yeah, renaming the Gulf of Mexico?
He's "DONE" quite a lot...
When the assumptions we are told by authorities to accept do not allow us to make sense of the evidence of our experience those assumptions change. It seems they is a big kerfuffle about what to believe on twitter, while there seems to be more like minded way of understanding here on nostr. These new assumptions will allow some people to become successful making predictions. My prediction is this is likely to happen regardless of whether the assumptions are true or not. Common action in a community of like minded thinkers determines future more than truth.
āTo be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.ā
Henry Kissinger
The little gay actor should have read his history books.
As a Ukrainian I want to say that after all this shit europe will be even better and I see my life only in europe
Same as what Ron Paul would have said in 2008. We should avoid entangling alliances.
Musk and Trump may or may not end up on a decent path, but it's probably not for the right reasons.
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Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
Don't ask questions and don't look at what Oceania did in Ukraine in 2014.
Just know and repeat: "Putin bad, send money and more men to die."
Ukraine has been co-opted by both Nazis and some very powerful and brutal oligarchs. The former aim to exterminate Russiansāsomething theyāve been doing in Donbass since 2014āwhile the latter profit from the chaos and foreign aid. In 2022 Russia stepped in to enforce a red line, intending a quick, surgical operation to root out the Nazis and their military capabilities with minimal damage to Ukraine. However, they underestimated the extent to which the Western world would be psyoped into backing the Nazis and the corrupt oligarchs around Zelensky. At this point was too late to back down without being absolutely humiliated.
Russia wasnāt initially prepared for a drawn-out war but adapted quicklyālikely with some contingencies in place in case things didnāt go as planned. Meanwhile, Trump has handled the situation fairly reasonably so far.
And before you call me a Putin troll, know that Iāve lived my entire life in Eastern Europe. I have my own reasons to dislike Russiaāthey occupied my country after World War II and forced us into the USSRās orbit for 45 years. Weāre still dealing with the consequences of that.
Bottom line: there are no winners in war, and it must end so people can stop dying. As for the occupied territories, Ukraine should probably accept that theyāre gone. Itās painful to lose land youāve considered yours for generations, but history is full of such examples. No country in Europe today has its original borders intact. The last 80 years of relative peace gave us the illusion that border realignment was a thing of the pastāunfortunately, it isnāt.
Central banks
Trump is oddly friendly with our adversaries. Heās throwing long standing allies and trading partners under the bus and giving Russia, a regional menace and a state that isnāt friendly to the US and hasnāt been for decades, exactly what it wants. You can talk about peace all you want but this is bad for American interests. Whatever Ukrainian blood minerals are in it for us are worth far less than our alliances and global standing. Absolutely piss poor foreign policy on the part of the Trump administration.
Go away.
We - US & West - overthrew a legitimate government in 2014. Then the Minsk accords were violated repeatedly by Ukraine with tacit approval.
Dangerous game of āfuck around, find outā with the worldās largest nuclear power š¤¦āāļø
Trump wants peace. I think because he sees war as a waste. He also wants to extricate the US from areas of no vital interest - ie: most of the world outside the western hemisphere.
I think Musk at least know 4th turnings usually get āsettledā by war, and wants to avoid that. Speech hr gave over video in the mideast about 4-5 weeks ago convinced me.
Now donāt get me started on the asinine Strategic Reserveā¦.
I love it all. Trump and Musk are at least trying to do the right thing and everyone crying about it look like jackasses. Politics hasn't been this much fun since Ron Paul ran for president.
Narratives:
1. NATO central planners provoked the situation in order to destablize/weaken Russia and to expand EU influence. Evil and corrupt.
2. US war machine industry lobbyists and politicians conspired to make money in the chaos. Evil and corrupt.
3. Jews are paying all sides as master puppet players. Evil and corrupt.
4. Russia took the bait, because that is what bears do when poked. Evil and corrupt.
5. Ukrain leadership playing both sides as well. Evil and corrupt.
Facts:
1. A lot of unnessesary suffering
2. A war is always a perfect distration from other goals.
3. After a while things normalize because humanity in general wants to survive and thrive.
My opinion:
What a bunch of clowns
Ukraine was invaded by Russia. Trump is repeating the same talking points as Russian state media. Strange that those facts are contested
Re: Musk - Iām all for reductions in government waste. I also want it done accurately and professionally, without Musk using his platform to announce findings before theyāre finalized or investigated. This is not the type of activity that should be hyped or oversold.
