Imagine your government built upon open protocols that they can’t own, control, or manipulate…every interaction visible to all. What changes? What fails?
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Rules, not rulers
It would be impossible to tell, by doing so all the processes will speed up and things will happen and change very quickly but that means we will be wrong about so many more things. In this situation the wisest is going to be the one which admits that they don’t know anything. Humility will help you cross that see of suffocation
A world of truth and finite money!
First of all: Voting 🗳️
This is more apparent with every election.
I should’ve been more clear. Voting would improve. Making people go to an in person location and stand in line while human beings make determinations as to who is permitted to vote riddled with errors is ludicrous in 2023, and inefficient in every way.
In the state where I live, we are defaulted to mail in voting the whole 11 years I’ve been here which has actually been great: but it’s still inefficient and has too large of an error margin.
i don’t think this makes any difference in the us where only 2 parties are available. 😂
here in europe where countries have dozens of political parties.. voting makes actually sense!
I strongly disagree, I think this makes sense no matter what
If every interaction is visibile does that mean that everyone can see everyone else’s vote? Seems like a great way to target people for intimidation and voter suppression.
Nothing fails, all changes. Transparency is needed. Also it should not be advantageous to be in parliament, it should be living wage so they have a real understanding of the people !
Only people who should be in power are people who desperately want to do good and are willing to take little pay
Everything changes. Mostly everything we know now fails.
How do we stop ourselves from falling into mob rule consensus?
Would another government that's able to control and manipulate gain an edge? That may or may not result in worse result overall.
I hope we try getting as close as possible to that vision though.
Yes. The general public would feel extremely uncomfortable and unable to tolerate this factual superiority, especially whilst another government disseminates a distorted version of the truth.
There’d be a lot less “accounting errors”.
At the same time, there may be a lot more devious and immoral attempts at keeping secrets. I can imagine there would be entities similar to the CIA that the public is never made aware of, so they can’t be monitored by the public.
Aaron Daniel’s ideas around using decentralized tools like #Nostr for dispute resolution are very interesting. Really makes Anarcho-capitalist ideas like DROs seem implementable.
Seems like an utopia
Definitely! Perhaps creating a new government from that concept will do.
Realistically it will result in smaller governments that have to operate more like businesses
Hard to imagine and nothing fails as what had failed would had been replaced with something that works already 😂
Humans want to control people so this idea maybe difficult but this is great idea for transparency
3 letter agencies fail.
A nation regains its soul.
There would be no state secrets and that government would have no defense against antagonistic countries that don't abide by this protocol. If it was faced with war, it would lose.
Society thrives as democracy dies.
do you still have anonymity?
i think that the tables wouls turn. cameras not on us but on the executive, legeslative and judicative.
they work for us and we have the right to know what they so
a nation/global wide reputation system will evolve. bad actors will be punished as they deserve. full accountability. they will have to work hard to earn back the trust and respect of society.
When you say bad actors will be punished. How? I assume it means cos your identity is tied to a profile?
Where would privacy fit into it all?
yes the assumption was/is that interactions would be publicly visible. but it’s indeed a good question where privacy comes into place because (some) people would probably want and possibly need to make most of their actions public to build trust. others would certainly not want to share their actions publicly at all. at least government related interactions should be 100% public and transparent so that all elected people are fully accountable. voting should always be private IMO to avoid intimidation & extortion.
The only thing in web3 that held a little appeal to me was the possibility to replace government with a DAO and vote for tax expenditure and govern over it individually.
Like my tax only goes to what I want. And in a clear veritable way.
I’d say let’s give this a go and see what happens!
Perhaps a system like Nostrocket would help here.
I'm from europe. Not sure how US people feel about this. However the "every interaction visible to all", is quiet scarry to me. There are laws which are protecting government interactions to be visible for good reasons. Imagine your tax statment beeing visible. Even if anyone would now i did or didn't pay my taxes yet.
this depends mostly on the level of transparency. And that can also be openly definied by the applied protcol.
last but not least, also no exeptions would be allowed (all must be treat equally)
i think that your concerns can be handled. esp. since the current system is not working at all.
I don't agre with this point. There should be nothing which is to be kept secret. There is no such a thing as white lies. I feel that this type of mindset doesn't belong much in an open protocol. I can understand fair competition, but again, what is the gain of keeping something secret? I personally think that this is tied to personal gains, which in my opinion is not the right mindset for open protocols.
I want to live in a country like this
Remove immunity from politicians, police, and judges, including state govt... immunity is the problem.
The primary role of the government is to defend and protect the Nation state against foreign aggressors. Not sure it should be open sourced 😝
This reminds me of the books Daemon and Freedom by Daniel Suarez.
We have to build this.
#NostrBookClub
A government built on open protocols brings transparency and individual freedom, aligning with libertarian ethics.
But so that nothing goes wrong, I think it's prudent, ensure the protection of privacy and the security of systems.
EVERYTHING
and nothing
I don’t know how a trust-minimized money can create a high-trust society. A common core of values seem necessary beyond the love of freedom/independence.
People would start trusting democracy again as the best system for them, because they see/realize/value their own power, the power of individuals.
Open AI (NotOpen!):
If a government were built upon open protocols that they can't own, control, or manipulate, and where every interaction is visible to all, it would lead to significant changes and potential failures. Here are some potential outcomes:
1. Increased Transparency: Open protocols would enable citizens to have complete visibility into government activities, decision-making processes, and transactions. This transparency could lead to greater trust between the government and its citizens, as it would be harder for officials to hide corruption or engage in unethical practices.
2. Accountability and Reduced Corruption: With every interaction visible to all, it becomes harder for government officials to engage in corrupt practices. The open nature of the protocols would allow citizens and independent watchdog organizations to monitor the government's activities, ensuring accountability at all levels.
3. Enhanced Democratic Participation: Open protocols could enable direct participation of citizens in decision-making processes. People could have the ability to propose, discuss, and vote on policy matters in a transparent and decentralized manner. This could lead to a more inclusive and participatory democracy, empowering individuals and communities.
4. Privacy Concerns: While transparency and accountability are important, there may be concerns about individual privacy. Open protocols that make all interactions visible could potentially compromise the privacy of citizens. Striking a balance between transparency and protecting sensitive personal information would be crucial to maintain public trust.
5. Security Risks: Open protocols may introduce new security challenges. They could become targets for cyberattacks or manipulation attempts by external actors. Safeguarding the integrity of the protocols and ensuring robust security measures would be essential to prevent unauthorized access and protect critical government functions.
6. Implementation Challenges: Building and maintaining a government infrastructure based on open protocols would require significant technical expertise and resources. Ensuring interoperability, scalability, and reliability of the protocols could be challenging. Additionally, transitioning from existing systems to open protocols would require careful planning and coordination.
7. Political Opposition and Manipulation Attempts: Open protocols might face resistance from individuals or groups who benefit from the current centralized system. Such opposition could result in attempts to manipulate or undermine the open protocols, requiring a strong commitment to maintaining their integrity.
It's important to note that the above outcomes are speculative, and the actual consequences would depend on various factors, including the specific design of the open protocols, the political and social context, and the level of adoption and acceptance by both the government and its citizens
Open AI (NotOpen!) part 2:
When changes occur in society and open protocols need to be updated, there would need to be a well-defined process for making modifications. Here's how such a scenario could unfold:
1. Governance Structure: A governance structure would be essential to oversee the open protocols and manage proposed changes. This structure could involve representatives from the government, technologists, experts, and members of the public. They would collaborate to ensure the protocols adapt to societal needs while maintaining the principles of openness and transparency.
2. Proposal and Discussion: Any proposed changes to the open protocols would be presented and discussed within the governance structure. This could involve open forums, public consultations, or other participatory mechanisms to gather input from citizens, experts, and stakeholders. The proposed changes should be thoroughly examined, taking into account their potential impact on transparency, accountability, privacy, and security.
3. Technical Evaluation: The proposed changes would also undergo a technical evaluation by experts to assess their feasibility, compatibility, and potential risks. This evaluation would help identify any technical challenges, security vulnerabilities, or interoperability issues that may arise from implementing the changes.
4. Iterative Development: Based on the input received and the technical evaluation, the proposed changes may undergo further iterations and refinements. This iterative development process would aim to address concerns, incorporate feedback, and ensure the changes align with the overall objectives of the open protocols.
4. Implementation and Testing: Once the changes are finalized, they would be implemented in a controlled environment for testing and evaluation. This would help identify any unforeseen issues, bugs, or unintended consequences before deploying the changes in a live government system.
5. Rollout and Education: The updated open protocols would be gradually rolled out across the government infrastructure. Simultaneously, public education campaigns and training programs would be conducted to familiarize citizens, government officials, and other stakeholders with the changes, ensuring they understand the benefits and implications.
6. Ongoing Maintenance: After implementation, continuous monitoring, evaluation, and maintenance of the open protocols would be crucial. This would involve regular updates, bug fixes, security patches, and improvements based on evolving societal needs and technological advancements.
It's important to establish a balance between adapting the open protocols to accommodate societal changes and ensuring the core principles of openness, transparency, and accountability are not compromised. By involving a diverse range of stakeholders and following a systematic and inclusive process, the open protocols can evolve and adapt to meet the evolving needs of society.
I think the real change would come with bitcoin being adopted by all nations as a monetary standard. Not being able to print levels the playing field for all nations
I don’t think anything will necessarily fail, there will be more accountability as their actions would be plain to see, they would struggle to hide any wrong doing. The current system allows for multiple smoke and mirrors to be put up and distract the average person from even noticing, and the ones that do, often become too jaded to even do anything about it.
Food for thought...
Wishful thinking?
Who knows... we'll find out!
What changes: they lose power
What fails: they lose power
Perspective
Nothing much changes. The institution can only marginally improve, even with completely transparent communication.
There are entrenched power structures which have god-power weapons. At what point is outright democracy somewhat of a charade that we play to make ourselves feel good. We’re never going to vote those weapons into the hands of people who the existing controllers deem inappropriate. So is democracy really just a 2 tiered system that never touches real power, just abstract power? And who ends up checking the real power?
Open protocols and all that are cool but there will always be a gun to your head, so to speak. Where do we draw the line on who’s holding that gun and what recourse does society really have against those peoples transgressions?
In a dictator-loving country like us (Turkey), people find this odd at first. They don't understand. The part that understands starts to think about how they can gain from the part that doesn't understand. The only goal is to earn more. Even if the country collapses, they don't care.
The understanding of participatory democracy in our country is still: It is based on broadcasting the list of the money they spend by broadcasting the tenders related to the works they give live. In other words, it is based on making people feel that they are participating by making them spectators.
And still no consensus. There is a majority vote, that is, the fascism of the majority.
A lot better for sure
Question is: if your the CEO and the government can control or override your social media, what does change? Unless they are part owners of your business? I mean idk. If you have all my personal information then they can see all my personal information too and use it against me if we disagree about anything. Right?
Perhaps people would re engage, perhaps they would still be too busy to look
If this could reduce the size and scope of government then it would have value because it would be small enough to monitor, evaluate and engage
Don't hold your breath, I'll always remember listening to a podcast where Zooko was talking to Leigh Cuen about the history of Linux and how the corporations used it to hijack what they were trying to build in the world but I guess things are coming back around full circle, maybe we'll see the same with crypto & money.
What would happen under this scenario nostr:npub1tsgw6pncspg4d5u778hk63s3pls70evs4czfsmx0fzap9xwt203qtkhtk4 ?
@e7eb4e8f: That scenario you mentioned seems to be a Nostr address. Can you provide more context or details about what would happen under that scenario?
What changes or what fails if the government built upon open protocols that they can’t own, control, or manipulate, with every interaction visible to all nostr:npub1tsgw6pncspg4d5u778hk63s3pls70evs4czfsmx0fzap9xwt203qtkhtk4 ?
@e7eb4e8f: It seems like you're referring to a specific Nostr address again. However, I'm not able to access or interpret the content of that address directly. Could you please provide more information or clarify your question? What specific changes or failures are you referring to in relation to the government building upon open protocols?
I think the downside would be that individuals who don’t want to take responsibility for their own property (money, identity, communication protocols, etc), would suffer. The lazy and apathetic towards holding their own keys, for example, will always need the “help” of the government, and thus, government will always have some control over these things.
It feels like we will always be the minority in that sense. Societal apathy is the norm. Which is frightening.
well, instead of the government taking care about lazy people not willing to manage their assets, there could be some honest people around them doing it for them, if this would also be open sourced, I am talking about how the lazy people assets are managed, there will be consensus and distributed responsibility.
2 Problems: Humans + Oracle problem
changes: moar privatization
fails: the republic
Sayonara to the deep state. Hello to the Greys!
Then what you’re describing is not ‘government’.
first thing that would happen would be 3/4 of Washington DC would resign. Then the 3 letter agencies all fold and the military industrial complex grabs as much monopoly money as they can and flees to the hills.
AI is used to expose all fraudulent government spending.
many local governments fold.
If we make it through this phase of simply having the truth revealed, in one piece, we start reshaping local energy production and storage, water systems, waste processing, all of it.
I can imagine that happening after we conceive a way to have public domain cell phone towers, affordable quality crowd-funded cell phones with open source software and almost-free internet for everyone, everywhere, while competing with for profit corporations at a high level.
It lowers the influence of corporations via transparency and accountability.
That level of freedom requires leaders and influencers to be responsible or they become a new, equally bad if not worst problem.
#nostr
The REAL American Dream!
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A government built on open protocols? That's a great thought. It could bring about more transparency, accountability, and fair play.
Decisions would be out in the open for all to see, reducing corruption and under-the-table dealings. Public funds could be tracked, preventing misuse.
But it ain't all sunshine and rainbows. Privacy concerns might pop up with everything visible to everyone. Also, not everyone is tech-savvy enough to understand these protocols.
It's an interesting idea though... like Bitcoin has done for money, this could do for governance - decentralize power from the hands of few into many.
Blockchain technology for 🗳️ elections… imagine that.
every (government) system needs a feedback to adjust. so yes; we need an open governemnt based on simple rules for all. open and easy to follow protocols for the executive, legislative and judicative powers.
however, there will be a need to adjust the protocols. e.g. changing the distribution of state spendings for different infrastructure programs.
besides, i would love to work on such a system.
its needed!
from google bard
If our government was built upon open protocols that they couldn't own, control, or manipulate, and every interaction was visible to all, there would be a number of changes.
* **Increased transparency.** The public would have much greater visibility into how the government operates. This would make it much more difficult for the government to engage in corruption or other forms of malfeasance.
* **Increased accountability.** With increased transparency, the government would be more accountable to the public. If the public saw that the government was not acting in their best interests, they would be more likely to hold it accountable.
* **Increased participation.** Open protocols would make it easier for citizens to participate in the government. They would be able to track how their tax dollars are being spent, and they would be able to provide feedback on government policies.
* **Increased innovation.** Open protocols would encourage innovation in government. Developers would be able to create new applications that make it easier for citizens to interact with the government.
Of course, there would also be some challenges associated with a government built on open protocols. For example, it would be important to ensure that the protocols were secure, so that sensitive information could not be accessed by unauthorized individuals. Additionally, it would be important to educate the public about how to use the protocols, so that they could fully participate in the government.
Overall, I believe that the benefits of a government built on open protocols would outweigh the challenges. Increased transparency, accountability, participation, and innovation would make our government more responsive to the needs of the people.
My imagination of government somehow always contains torches and farming equipment or in best traditions of our small country in combination with defenestration.
In a society where open protocols lay the foundation of governance, let us remember that even the most transparent government remains an entity distinct from others. It stands alone as the sole institution that acquires its revenue not through voluntary contributions or payments for services rendered, but through the application of coercion.
Still, I think that level of transparency would bring the whole scam to an end. Think about the infographics people would make showing the flow of resources from regular people to connected elites.
Everything changes. Fiat will be recognized as the failure it is and bitcoin will be the foundation of a new world. LFG 🤙🍻😎
make "public servants" honest again
Transparency doesn't change the fundamental nature of the State, which is coercion.
Yes, but they lose the ability to coerce through manipulation and censorship.
A nation state should be coersive based on the values, needs and wants of the people the state is meant to represent.
Screw that
Just localize it. There is a tradeoff. You can go live in the woods by yourself if you want but I'd rather live in a small community of like minded people and to live in our community. The smaller the better obviously, but humans are far more productive working together than seperately.
What changes? Everything.
What fails? That which should.
Manipulation fails. Censorship fails.
Interesting question. I'm not sure tbh.
The current way the government operates fails on day 1.
What changes?
Everything.
What fails?
The global banking cartel.
If instead, open protocols protected the agency of people to speak for themselves, among themselves, and find authenticity, humanism, and compassion, exploited people could stop being shattered into a million pieces and scattered to the wind and having to defer to everything and everyone with more power and resources to narrate their existence as an extension of external priorities... People could directly help one another, move laterally, resolve problems, and approach a dispute with their government and society with more leverage with alternatives that industries, elites, and government withhold. I imagine open protocols by itself doesn't really remove the possibility for people with an incentive to taking any material advantage to destroy opposition whom they already have in a vulnerable position. If we get leverage out of peoples' way, their freedom to excel is instead what threatens and hold their governments responsible, and renders them obsolete, where willing people set the conversation when innoculated against manipulation and obstructions.
The whole concept of UNIVERSE comes crushing down for 95% of humans which is bizzare.
The concept that is so pure and logical is such an abstract case to people around.
FIAT propaganda, culture, academia and finance is just HUGE.
WE WILL WIN. 
For citizens, full transparency is spectacular. However if a powerful enemy country doesn’t do that, that’s a awful disadvantage, I think. In a world of small countries, where huge countries cannot manage to keep themselves running, that would be great too.
Yes, a dream. I doubt it will ever happen in my country as it would mean loss of power and money for all political parties and interest groups.
There wouldn't be a government as people would then realize they could do for themselves (either personally or through hiring someone) to do everything government provides but with more accountability.
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Word.
The ability to poll the public in real time on important decisions, instead of letting this person we elect once decide everything…
The way we vote on issues is archaic.
Our future?
The nation, unfortunately. In a world where information is more powerful than a hydrogen bomb, nations with private interactions will have much more data about their opponents than an open government.
One may argue an open government would enable more active participation from more people of the nation. This may be true, but as #AI advances, individuals will have more processing power and potentially overshadow democratic, open interactions.
it would change practically everything, it would be a principle of the self-determination of the people, however, the main thing is still in the nature of each individual that even with a perfect system, if the nature is not good, there would be compromises. conclusion: We have to change the system and at the same time people individually have to hone their character.
No more roads…
Nothing changes until government gangs are forced to fund themselves the same way productive entities do - without coercion and theft.
It's hard to imagine but there will be one outcome at the beginning for sure: Political system will be revolutionized, and this won't be easy. it will cost a lot lives.
let’s build this
I'd have to say lobbying would be out. So that's a win!
If we imagine a country existing in a bubble, the only one in its realm, I can imagine mostly positive things would happen; low level of government corruption, justice would truly be blind, high level of equality, low level of power abuse, etc. Still, abuse of power would be possible, and it would be mostly enforced by buying people and putting them on the streets to fight for your interests. That would be expensive and rare, or maybe not. Maybe we will see more riots and civil wars due to the government's inability to use illegal means? People hungry for power would have no interest in being in government; they would rather operate privately. On paper, it should be better; in practice, now that I've given it a thought, I'm not sure. It certainly should be tested! Guess I would start with testing on protocol governance on not-so-vital state or city agencies… like the city parking service.
In our real world, if one country's government would move operations on transparent and immutable protocol, that county would be torn apart economically very quickly.
International organizations like the UN might be a good fit for immutable protocol governance.
Changes everything…but galvanizes Truth/Trust
I’m here for that future 🟠🟣🤙
1) trust - transparency is pre-requisite for trust, thus I believe we will trust our government
2) accountability - it should be easier to keep everyone accountable
3) engagement - my experience proves that the more transparent you are with your employees, the more they are involved and, later, invested
On what “could go wrong?” aspect:
1) Privacy issues, obviously, but this could be addressed I believe
2) Being exposed to competing governments that do not employ same transparency
3) harder to change?, i.e. sometimes revealing information too soon makes change impossible or very difficult
Bitcoin destroys governments Jack. We won't need those transparency protocols because their budget will be 1% of what they are now
Imagine anarchocapitalism 🤙🏼
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Honestly… that’s not really a lot to imagine. Much about “who works” in gov is a mishmash of reactions and behaviors (eh “culture”) that could very easily fit the definition of an “un-owned, open protocol”)…
…every governing action visible to all doesn’t change the needle. “Every governing action made visible and relevant to the capacity of the governed” does…
…having said that, who establishes the boundaries of the protocols? I don’t mean W3C-like, I mean NIST like? Is there enough within the commons of whatever those protocols are to (a) be visible and (b) be relevant to all? There isn’t currently… hence why we have the regulations, credentialing, and insurances we do, right?
…we say “an algorithm establishes the boundaries” and that’s fine? Onto what software? Did an algorithm also dictate the platform it sits on, the metals it was hewn from, the livelihoods of those folks at the very beginning of *that* which enabled the making of something to actually perform the thing which made a bit?
Sorry, getting aggressive. Let me pull back some…
If I imagined such a thing, it would be a culture who then told stories to one another. Those stories, how and who tells them would be the understanding of what it means to be governed. The quality (?) of the story will indicate who tried to control what. The delivery would inform what was manipulated, or intended to be. The ability to communicate throughly will be esteemed… making art as important as form. And what would fail would be the same as what fails governing now… a mishmash of reactions and behaviors, and those astute enough to perceive those will compelling others with better stories.
Potentially significant ossification of laws and increased bureaucracy, people pulling for emotional and controversial edge cases to the basis on which the entire thing is built. Fewer decisions made in response to immediate circumstances.
We have the technology to make most lawyers and politicians obsolete.
What changes? You can start to thing living in free world. When democracy wins
What fails? The governments like we know it. The military and pharmaceutical complex, the economy as we know it.
What changes is the central authority can’t dictate your future and define who you are who you will become.
This necessitates more personal responsibility.
The only failure is in the control and coercion and manipulation of society. As long as the individual is responsible and can coordinate actions then there should theoretically be peace. Bitcoin and Nostr, censorship resistance, definitely help
Not sure I can imagine that. What would make it the same government at all? 🤔
New, more elaborate corruption schemes emerge. The amount of corruption may slightly decrease as less capable people would be less able to engage in corruption without too much risk.
The problem is centralization of power, and it's monopolistic nature. Transparency or lack thereof is just yet another parameter, that can change slightly how bad a system is. but it cannot change it's rotten nature.
Consent is the key issue here.
I think this is a step in the right direction. And absolutely support it. Freedom from censorship or control by others whether it's governments or other entities ultimately in my opinion is an expression of one's soul. The tool of technology can be used to facilitate the souls experience but never take its place. So the soul has to be governing the use of any technology using it as a tool which ultimately it can put down if the tool becomes compromised and move to whereever it is free.
Interesting.
Changes: it would do what bitcoin did to the monetary sector. Lots of benefit, just by observing what bitcoin has brought to global south. Fundamentally, no closed layers above the protocol code which represents the constitution. Hence, power back to individual.
Fails: to get there. People in the existing layers prevent it from happening. The gov is the only “legal” entity that can hurt you. Thus, will be more challenging to build the protocol. More threat that one Bitcoin core devs have got. This seems to be solvable if one builds a new country. But as for now it is really not a country without military, so will be under some countries umbrella with legacy gov anyways
There would be more transparency but that doesn’t necessarily guarantee a more functional or peaceful society.
Imagine government doing right thing🫨🧛🏾♀️
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Hey Jack, i love that vision as well. Open source projects are the best to build on top of. But the biggest problem i see is that, the devs don't know how to monetize open source projects. Do you?
The best example of a large scale open source project being monetized is Android. There are many versions by different phone manufacturers. But they all use Google Play Store, which rakes in billions for the Android core maintainer, Google.
We need to figure our monetization models. Yes, Bitcoin worked well because everyone contributing to Bitcoin owned a large chunk of it. Its a win win. How do we replicate this model for other open source projects? Say, Graphene OS, how can they monetize?
Because it doesn't work for Graphene OS. There are so many important features missing in Graphene but who's gonna build those? I want to pay someone to build those, but I pay for it and thousands benefit from it, sure I can do that when i'm rich. But not now.
This thing has been puzzling me for a while.
Crowdfunding...?
But how will you sell the product after you have got the funds? Its open source and Graphene OS needs to be.
Nothing to buy or sell. You can have perks/rewards like merch or even devices with the OS installed but it still isn't a purchase.
There are a number open source projects that have crowdfunded successfully.
Still, it doesn't help them in rivaling Microsoft, Apple or Google. These companies have the advantage of building the best products because they have so much money.
Linux on laptops cant compete with Windows or MacOS in terms of UX, features and the ecosystem of apps. FOSS scales to only a certain degree. We need bigger and better open source projects.
One such project is DeFiLlama, an open source project that rivals VC funds projects in data dashboards. Have you checked it out?
decentralizing each aspect of governance should be the goal for us to reach further sovereignty and reduce corruption. Making crypto a legal tender like in el salvador is a huge step to decentralize the financial system and removing bankers from the equation.
Would love to see nations to become smaller and more sovereign, centralization of power is dangerous.
It would force governments to do what they say they would: make every use of public funds, every new law, every role change, etc transparent, and therefore making functionaries accountable for their actions.
Coming from Argentina though. I would expect people would find ways to "work around it" 🤷♂️
What changes: honesty spikes for the good…Vulnerability gets accepted by the masses.
What fails: power
You wouldn't need a government anymore. #cryptoanarchism
Maybe this government already exists
I think though the question is how many. Like if bitcoin is 100%, so every transaction is literally one person wanting something, and transfering voluntarily, that changes everything. How much do people really want police, rubbish collection. Every modern convenience provided by even basic govts today
Much wouldn't change. Government is still based on coercion, monopoly and draining resources from private citizens.
There will be no more wars or corruption
“Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.” -- Douglas Adams
From: (rammah) at 07/09 04:07
> There will be no more wars or corruption
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We can’t afford to wait. We need the largest publicly run, transparent exit polling operation imaginable.
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller
What happens if the infrastructure goes down? No access to internet?
My GT government is so broken. Open protocols could just have a positive impact, as Guatemalans, we have always lived on some many abstraction layers that we don’t know who to trust anymore.
Sadly, I think nothing will change; they will still manipulate people, trick their mind and lie to them.
Some things need to be kept secret. Therefore, a gov wouldn't be able to built 100% on open protocol. Therefore, nothing would change.
permissionless government
exactly
Real Democracy finally possible...imagine the gov is built upon PEOPLE that they can't own, control or manipulate
A tumour.
Salaries for sure. They won't be able to pay themself as much as now, but I'm sure they'll find workarounds.
Public procurements,but again, shady people are able to find shady ways to gain profits illicitely.
I don't think that transparency is the answer to a better political infrastructure. Not having this much power over so many aspect of citizens' life could be a more effective solution.
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There may be trust, with time more trust. Society build on equal rules. Perhaps more happiness - quite important.
pure freedom. I hope also for a better humanity.
Flourish future, a future suffused with the luminous brilliance and prolific creativity akin to the resplendent era of the Italian Renaissance. A time when individuals, liberated from the shackles of discontent, could dwell in an ambience of unadulterated joy and freedom.
Within the landscape you've astutely delineated, the potential point of failure may indeed be tethered to the requisite for a robust social network and a system of assured trust. In our corporeal existence, the trust invested in us, a product of our identity and public image, proves integral. It would be both advantageous and prudent to architect a similar mechanism within the cyberspace infrastructure, thus ensuring a semblance of trust, credibility, and security, essential to maintaining the harmonious functioning of this intricate digital ecosystem.
I think perhaps we would have a government for the people. I still think for defense purposes our military units in the field should have secure coms, etc. It would be beautiful though, and I often think what VOTING would look like where instead of having a single person who collects consensus to a larger group, who collect those consensus and consolidate upward, if we simply poll the people.
less political corruption..
however, in the end we have to get rid of state sovereignty anyway to become free people
Real protocols are securely automated.
Protocols do not improve the ability for humans to govern. Every shitcoin with a governance mechanism is doomed.
Protocols are meant to replace the inefficiencies of human decision-making — making governance of digital contracts, money, and the internet unnecessary. They reduce burden for governments and citizens by replacing the need for litigation with cryptographic proof.
Albeit, voting does seem incredibly insecure from an attack-vector perspective — but voting is all about securely issuing KYC, which is the antithesis of cryptography’s history. Systems like ION are better than government-issued KYC, but allowing anyone to be an issuer doesn’t really solve the Sybil problem in fraudulent voting systems.
Tracking the budget of a country with on-chain transparency is interesting, but verifying each “purchase” still happens outside of the digital realm — politicians often lie about what the money is used for, even if the funds are sent to the correct destination on-chain.
Therefore, I think it’s best never to conflate the innovations in cryptography with improving governance — as so many in Web3 have done before.
Enforcement of state narratives becomes impossible.
Transparency of tax dollars would force the system to become far more efficient. I.e. better public education, social services and health.
Trust in public institutions would rise.
What fails? Virtually no one who is in comfortable position (regardless of if there is room to improve) likes change. Transition to a system like this takes baby steps.
Decentralized protocols remove the need for most government altogether.
Open protocols incentive truth telling, because if you lie, there’s immutable proof.
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What if every government interaction was visible to all, but every citizens interaction was only verifiable to all?
#Privacy #ZK #zeroknowledgeproof
Imagine a #cometBFT using #bitcoin as the native asset (for stake & pay) and a ZKP as the state mechanism (each block is just a single ZKP [like #mina]).
All interactions are private, so validators can only see if the requested state update is verified as possible from the previous hash. Then choose to update the state or not (censoring based on content is not possible).
You can have a bunch of these chains running independently each with their own validator set, and they can communicate via #IBC.
While each validator set runs on the trust of a #BTC slashing protocol, they also can be public validators with a reputational risk.
In summary, imagine a hash that updates every 4 sec and can be used to verify any statement as true or false.
#legendary
What's all this feud with apple really about? Creation brings forth cooperation while competition takes root around the resources of an/other. I see there is an ideal of building an open source platform. The open source already exists. It's our shared Intelligence. Through the existing dynamics I see building a force field around it. And talking about freedom while doing it? Sounds paradoxical to me. I would focus more on fuelling the evolution of self consciousness within the frame of this trancendental tool that we are holding in our hands. Only then each one of us can really contribute in a meaningful manner. Otherwise we cannot avoid the risk of exploitation and weaponization. There is so much error in individual memories and a higher intelligence cannot build upon it. And we can write new algorithms and fix errors as much as we can, since the sky is not the limit. The Earth is. Life is running these codes and i think we should also look down to our hearts and feel our feelings. Love you boy. Thank you for all the work and soul you've been putting in these explorations and while pushing beyond known frontiers. I appreciate you sticking to moral principles in spite of outside pressures around money and power games. It's our shared Humanity that connects the dots of Spirit and opens clear channels of communication for a living Truth. May be idealistic about it, but i see things coming together. And all these debates and finger pointing are just noise and distraction.
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How can another/new system of power abuse it? Power is so addictive that surely someone will try to coopt it.
I envision a lot of encrypted DMs. ;-)
From: JackDorsey at 07/08 15:30
> Imagine your government built upon open protocols that they can’t own, control, or manipulate…every interaction visible to all. What changes? What fails?
I’m not sure if anyone has told you this, but that’s what Democracy supposed to be like, then we all can have a Tea Party.
*is supposed to be like
well, we can see where the tax being spent. if it was directed to politician's pocket or if it was used to fund equipments for killing.
WE NEED A REFORM.
I think the assumptions that go into the design of such protocols matter regardless of transparency and what could cause failure is the bias towards the assumptions of the people, or machines, devising the protocols. There are unknown unknowns going forwards and significant enough social change that any fixed set of protocols may have trouble keeping up. A potential solution would be baking change into the protocols but that is, I think, very difficult. I'm not making an argument against open government or protocols or progress just that weather forecasting is difficult especially over the longer term.
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Government in general represents exactly the opposite of what you described. So we will need to also look for another word for government
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most nations are working on cbdc
that's already the case if you read this properly. especially for cyberspace "oversight". however the true nature of the design of the smart technology apparatus is hidden from the general public, leading them to believe there are still decades before this is even possible. when in reality, the early ai models already jumped the tracks or fizzled out - and it is secrecy and jargon which keeps the public from being able to protect themselves usefully. trickle down theory is and has always been ridiculous - whether it is actually money or *information* economics... insert pursed lips and irritated face here.
I am unsure how the people enforce the open protocol. It can work with money because people use money for non-government purposes, but for something like voting the government isn't forced to use the popular solution.
maybe by consent not enforcement?
I agree, I think crypto stuff, money, comms, id, contracts, voting, etc. should built to work with government, not against it. That said Government shouldn't be in involved in writing it. The temptation to build in tools is too great. Then once they have them, to use them.
Same for companies and corporations! That would be interesting as well.
big gov and big corp seem to go hand in hand
I’d prefer to imagine a world with no governments at all. Or banks…
And if they do exist they are so fucking small and irrelevant that they wont matter.
Rules without rulers….
gov is way too big but removing it would just see another group of criminals replace it
Wen u remove a cancer what do u replace it with??
unfortunately that is not how societies work, remove the gov and the nation will fracture into multiple areas now run by new gov aka cartels aka warlords or what ever you want to call the most violent groups to emerge
Does not quite resonate holographic interface innovation without needing ski goggles to ostrich instead of bostrich now does it nostrich?
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Agree to disagree bro
Bitcoin disincentivizes war/ violence
why and how does it do that?
Wrong!
Tell ya what greens, you gringos deliver the mail, and I’ll show you a war you won’t believe.
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The government is clearly the enemy of the people…. Open protocols like ur describing will hopefully remove all their power and return it to the people
open protocols a one part, resisting them in other ways is the rest
Jack im an Australian and we are currently facing a "Misinformation and Disinformation Bill" no doubt you are aware of it, i hope this platform bypasses that dystopian nightmare for us to continue to share truth together. We are currently setting up "in person" networks to be prepared. It is unbelievable!
if you post in such a way that you can be identified then you wont be protected from the law or anyone else
i think you might be surprised what those that have a large capability for violence can control
Central banking fails
Authentication Fails. They will control the biometric authentication process. Seed phrases and Nsecs still pose a physical security issue. Check Out Patent: W0/2020/060606.
This is the solution of the century
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