How can nostr break the curse of users joining only to stop posting after ~2 days? #asknostr
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Give them more what they need but don’t know yet
Why would you want weak men or women over here anyway?
What does this even mean dawg
Someone who quits after 2 days is weak sauce regardless of their motives.
So far people have been complaining there's hardly anybody on nostr. I say there're exactly the right ones over here already. Maybe this is the crowd that value a freedom protocol for communication. The rest are statists cucks.
Other complains I've see:
- too much bitcoin content
- circle jerk
- nazis
Karens want an audience. Legacy social media have fucked their small brains too much, too hard for too long. They can't envision a world where people are just free to do whatever they want. If this is not bitcoin ethos...
this is simply not sustainable. nostr is for everyone, even the groups of people we personally dislike.
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I exchange notes here on nostr constantly with people I dislike and I assume they do the same. Taking good ideas from people you genuinely dislike is a superpower.
Not to mention that in time you understand that what you hated in others was just a dark side of you all along. People use noatr for different reasons. I use it because the smartest and the most retarded people I know are here.
I wouldn't worry about adoption since Primal has already set the bar low enough.
I actually agree with you here. But, i will say that it doesn’t diminish the fact that nostr IS a walled off garden, a very uniquely small and diverse garden, but walled off nonetheless. No matter our personal experiences on here, we must admit the issue without taking personal offense.
I wouldn't mind if more people got on nostr, but my experience is that people simply don't care about freedom. First I thought Milgram was exaggerated with his experiment...
Not even the people banned on legacy social media want something like nostr. They simply retry their luck over there. There's a lesson in this.
nostr desperately needs new users, nobody wants to admit it and would rather gatekeep for some reason
I agree, but they need to be the right users or they won't enjoy it.
I'm also on Reddit and StackExchange, no way would I invite 90% of them here...
Why not?
They would be traumatised. And we would be bored.
Idk, i think they would be great to have. i’m not a stock investor, but i love community. even stock investors.
in the end, devs deserve to have their hard work be recognized. the gatekeeping due to personal bias is hurting us bad. admitting the issue is the first step, it’s not a personal attack to admit the elephant in the room
Devs would rather circle jerk each others pet projects and simp for VC funds than make shit users want.
...or test it before wasting everyone's time.
Users don't know what they want until they see it.
It's nice to hear someone say this.
I think that’s the sort of vibe that puts people off to be honest.
People are people, some good, some bad, most a mix of good and bad. Monoculture is pretty dull.
We need to offer a cup of cold concrete to every new sign up.
Many have never encountered a community without a Party line to adhere to, and a hierarchy to snitch to.
#Nostr isn't for everybody, I fear...
Nostr is actually for everybody, it’s can truly be ANYTHING. it can be molded to every persons specific tastes.
we need to stop the echo chamber that gets worse and worse everyday.
as much as this small protocol gives me immense joy, we should actually want the general public to join, instead of using nostr as an ego boost to turn noses up at everyone else on social medias.
Freedom isn't free, even on #nostr; it requires being open to encountering dissenting views, even if you can mute them right away.
I talk to people here that I would never encounter offline. Often people who I strongly disagree with on some issues, but learn from on others.
Normies simply don't enjoy this.
"Walled Garden" community-specific relays could fix this, but require critical mass.
i think you’ll come to find out we have much more in common with the “normies” you speak of .
this popular sentiment amongst nostr users is actually ironically creating a walled garden itself, furthering nostr to become what it originally fought against.
That's not really fair, as you're on theforest and that automatically gets you more high-quality interaction. Most people are just on the big relays and their replies are dead as a doornail.
I love TheForest, and all you crazy cats.
But I also browse on Global, like a whaleshark swimming in cringe instead of seawater. Sometimes I reply or react, and sometimes complete strangers hold conversations.
If I were trying to attract Normies, I'd build custom versions of big apps pre-filled with only community-specific relays (instead of forks), and share those apps with very specific communities.
Making an app community-specific shouldn't require a fork, but devs dream of being autocrats of their own forked kingdoms. Maybe we need a workflow that allows non-devs to easily create walled garden versions of each Nostr app.
Don't invites already do that? You can invite someone to use a Nostr app and have it preload with your preferred relays, or something.
It's just the relay settings (except Primal, with that weird cache server thing). I use only theforest on all apps, and that works fine.
#Alexandria will also let you change the community relay to wss://whateveryouwant.com, but it's not planned to be added to the settings for the MVP. You won't need to fork it, to have a different experience, and you can then invite people to your variant, by sharing your settings. Settings are an event.
And you can already login and change it to use your relay list.
We're also going to allow different stylesheet with masks and stuff, as that's how we're going to build the #biblestr variant. Biblestr is the version planned for after Defoe, and we're going to design the customization we do to be reusable for other customizations.
We're going to give it its own domain, tho, so that it's more attractive off-Nostr because it has a Bible-y name.
I was just having a moment because someone I know well has been steadily building and improving on the same app for over a year, now, and it keeps getting incrementally better and closer to a full application (and no bugs, will Nostr miracles never cease), but his stuff gets no play because everyone is busy whining to Trending Devs And Famous People that their app is broken again or that their vibe-coded whatever is acting erratically, and it's like
It's brutally difficult to get users, on here, unless you have a gigantic npub, or you have OpenSats marketing for you, which limits the options users have and sort of defeats the whole purpose of interoperability. If it were possible to get users onto different systems, there would be more incentive to build different systems, targeting different user bases.
is it yakihonne 👀
No, but same story. I was on here for almost 1.5 years before I'd even heard of it.
many instances of this sadly, i speak this as i use primal on my iphone, i am probably the biggest hypocrite on this protocol in that instance.
yakihonne continues to excel every protocol but gets ZERO love.
i would love to know what client you are talking about though, i probably don’t even know of its existence sadly.
*client not protocols 🤦
maybe i should shut up since i don’t have any skin in the game, nor do i even understand technology in the slightest.
You shouldn't need to understand it, is the thing.
What really helps is having clients aimed at onboarding different audiences, with different community relays as default, so that Nostr is really just used as a communications protocol, rather than as the product. The product is the app+relay combination that they are using, and the product is what uses Nostr, not the user.
Once they've gotten used to Nostr, then they can start adding in more relays and using other clients, and etc. The first one they use is very important, tho, I think.
It's essential to just acknowledge that Primal is a bitcoin community app, but that anyone can use it because you can de-bitcoinify it a bit with your user settings. But onboarding absolutely everyone to a Bitcoin community app is not ideal.
Also, many Bitcoiners are fickle users, as they surge in and out dramatically, with swings in price or some shitstorm. So, users who arrive when the Bitcoiners are all here, might have a positive experience, and then the Bitcoiners all migrate back to X, and the feeds suddenly go ded. That's why we need more users who aren't just here to talk about Bitcoin stuff, so that usage is more steady and the biggest npubs don't ghost for weeks or months at a time.
All of that said, we're slowly getting more apps tailored to the wider public, but it's hard to compete with the marketing power Jack, Odell, Gigi, etc. If they don't promote it, it doesn't exist, basically, unless the dev themselves has 50k+ followers (which is usually only the case if they've been here since Day 1).
IMO, targeting regular casual entertainment-seeking normies is not where the money will be for building stuff with nostr tech
you want to get customers who are running a dev shop or research labs with distributed locations and similar sorts of businesses who need comms and an easily searchable archive of all kinds of data, including git repositories and documents, stuff like calendars and interfaces to teleconferencing tools
they also don't need to particularly know how it works, but they will like it for reasons like, for example, a dev shop may not want to be trusting the highly untrustworthy microsoft to not spider their private repositories into their AI models, or even just get hacked and have their data dumped on the dark web
People trying things out in the free time is cheap marketing, tho. Lots of the time, it's the sys admin or dev suggesting the company use something he's played around with in his free time or used while he was at an internship or etc. They don't like to recommend unfamiliar things, so you need to have a freemium version out there, to get your foot in the purchasing-department door.
That's why we're putting so much effort into the content displayed from the relays, so that people can go there and see how everything works and use it casually, for a time, before deciding if they _really_ want to use it. That means it needs to "look alive" and show some relatable stuff, but have no gross content.
you can do/post what you want, i have a feeling it is discouraging to those that are thinking of building, or currently building .. to read open ended question threads like this proclaiming a problem with no solution(s).
maybe im just out of touch and this kind of thing actually helps and i can just shut up because i grew up before internet and have a weak tolerance for constant doom or whatever is the thing these days.
if i had used social media before now, it prob could have easily ruined my life, opinions and resolve to succeed or at least try.
The people who grew up before the Internet aren't the ones struggling with this because we're used to digging around and finding other people in obscure places on the web. Someone who grew up with social media feeds is lost, if they show up on a client and people just say "find your tribe, adjust your relays, choose your client".
Also, you're an IT expert and most users aren't.
And, at any rate, this thread already helped promote some clients nobody has heard of, so I appreciate it. It's rare to get a chance to plug anything off the beaten path.
The rest of the feed is just people getting extremely excited about whatever Jack just, so this is really refreshing, TBH. 😂
Jack isn't actually the only person on Nostr. Few know this.
ah good, yes keep promoting the lesser known projects. we can't all be besties with derek ross.
No. Don't shut up. That is precisely the problem.
People are finally starting to see how boorishly nitwitty the primal crew is because others are pointing it out, and a lot of the other "key nostr devs" are also finally being revealed as hacky egoists.
This is Nostr. You can't be (easily) censored. Say what you want, when you want.
the tall one at the back looks bosnian ;)
Just looks like a typical tall white dude to me🤷.
bosnians are tall and he reminds me of one i used to know
also, "white dudes" are found all over europe, but they do have some distinctive traits
also i can believe by how white that beach is that it's actually in croatia
I need to visit Croatia before I die. I take it you've been there?
just rode a bus through it on the way to banja luka a couple of times
i understand the beaches are very nice
Yep, that's what I've heard. Would make for a nice family vacation, perhaps.
True. I'm mostly Irish, but I definitely inherited the german gene when it comes to height. My dad is actually friends with a former german coworker of his who's 6'7. Nice guy. Great stock trader. I wonder if he bought into bitcoin🤔...
It's https://lumina.rocks/. The whole time Olas was down, my feed was full of people complaining that they can't post anymore pictures, but you can post kind 20 image notes from lumina, nostr.build, Amethyst, and Jumble, just to name a few, and Derek even jumped in with an emergency replacement, and they were all working fine.
But, when Olas went down, the picture feeds stalled out, as everyone stopped posting, all at once. It's like when Primal goes down or etc. Nobody thinks, "Oh, I'll just use a different one...." And lots of the people who "take a break, waiting for Nostr to get fixed" don't return. Lose users, everytime, due to this extreme centralization.
We're too much like the Matrix protocol, where you can use any interoperable client, so long as it's Element.
Saw this for the first time in your post earlier. Looks good, have bookmarked.
haven’t even heard of lumina at all, thank you for sharing
nostr:npub1fq8vrf63vsrqjrwqgtwlvauqauc0yme6se8g8dqhcpf6tfs3equqntmzut is a serious, steady developer, that's just been quietly building on the same project, to little fanfare, in his spare time and on his own dime.
His relay is actually one of the most-active ones on Nostr because he aggregates from all over the world, and that's why we stream to-and-from it from our thecitadel document relay, to make sure that we don't miss out on someone's documents just because they're in Asia or Mexico, or something.
Well, it looks like I've found out why you haven't heard of it. I've been regularly posting links to pretty Lumina galleries, and I know you sometimes see my posts. But Primal swaps the links out, so you can't see them. 🥴
because primal devs are spechul, like the kinds at the special school
we are just their livestock, and damnit if we ain't an ornery bunch
Lumina rocks!
Neat! Will give it a go. Deleted Olas.
But seriously, that's a user side problem.
It's like 'OMG outlook isn't working anymore, email is dead'.
Yeah, but most Nostr users are like that. 😂
Do I need to do anything special to post a kind 20 image with amethyst?
No idea. I've just used the viewer.
I've posted them from Jumble, Nostrudel Event Publisher, and Lumina, so far.
nostr:nprofile1qqsfnw64j8y3zesqlpz3qlf3lx6eutmu0cy6rluq96z0r4pa54tu5eqq8rtwq do you know if Amethyst also publishes, or just views?
Amethyst publishes. Go in the media tab (where you see the kind 10 feed) and make a new post from there, instead of from the regular feed.
Nope, just go the that video/image viewer tab on the bottom (the middle one with the playbutton icon thingy). When you use the publish/post button there, it automatically makes a kind 20(picture) or kind22 (video) for you. :)
This thread is totally broken on Amethyst. Impossible for me to read it on Amethyst right now 😅 the thread jumps all over the place all the time
yes, well.....this is mostly user error though.
take nostr:nprofile1qqsyfq5nwvm97w68vvfgpu7x38rwmlxrt4vdmg8yng0npys40qdhxtspzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcynqmaw for example.
He came to Nostr 2 days ago and shared some pictures (they are amazing, go have a look). I informed him on the existence of kind20 and send him to Olas. Now Olas being shit, it did not work for him, but he found (as far as i can tell) Lumina all by himself, and started using that. I never heard of Lumina, neither had the jungle spirit btw.
Now he came from the fediverse and runs an IPFS-node (we can forgive him for both of those things), so he is knows his way around a computer lets say. Still, he figured it all out on his first day with a little bit of assistance, others might take some more time.
Now i am a big proponent to include multiple clients when ''onboarding'' people, to drive this point home immediately, so thats something ''we'' can do. And perhaps we should also stop recommending stuff Pablo makes, because he just leaves a trace of crappy minimal barely/not even viable prototype abandonware, which absolutely has its purpose if you ask me.
But we should also accept that the user base has to adjust to the paradigm, just as much as developers and everyone else in this world has to.
In my defense I set up two self hosted blossom servers yesterday - route96 and nostrcheck-server.
Both of them puke on large video uploads, so I guess ipfs is winning ;)
https://nostrfiles.macneilmediagroup.com
I like nostr a lot, but I’m OK with these sorts of projects. As it currently stands, this is not something that I would recommend to most people, unless I was willing to handhold them through it.
From a usability standpoint, I would probably direct more non-technical people to the fediverse, but that can change overnight. Lots of things here are very broken and key management is a new and unconventional paradigm for the general public.
I don’t know why I missed this incredible thread. With this other client he appeared to me.
Do you want your cup of cold concrete freshly poured, or we can let it sit for a day, no extra charge?
Damus is awesome
Would love to check out this app you talking about and give it some love :)
Loving the visualization options and the ux/ui design in lumina.rocks. 🔥💜
Would love to be able to choose/select to view a feed according to my followings or following+replies (eventually even follow packs) since right now in iOS (safari) you can’t see which section is which (besides global)
Also, must be a small bug, when checking my own profile, no images load, not even when i hit “load more”
Will also check on desktop,
Thanks for putting it on my radar :)
Engagement.
Only the dev celebs and podcast/influencers get engagement here.
I get more engagement here than on twitter but I am a super small account on both.
It needs a critical mass and I don’t think it’s there yet. If people join, post and get next to no engagement or response, it’s easier for them to think “this platform is rubbish” rather than “I need to find my people.”
Hi Roya, great question, I think users should have more access to manuals, tutorials or videos. I've been on Nostr for 3 years but I still feel that I haven't learned the basics.
Tik Tok, FB, Twitter don't come with tutorials, they're intuitive. If the user is going to learn about how to use nostr it could be something gamified maybe? Learning how to use it has to be part of the experience. Tutorials are a barrier for SM imo.
Sean, I don't disagree with you BUT traditional social media protocols are easy to learn because there's no major setup needed. In the case of Nostr you need a major setup. This setup is the "onboarding barrier" which makes most users leave in less than 2 days, most traditional social media users have a very low IQ and very little time, to get them to learn the basics of Nostr you will need a very clear, concise and straightforward presentation. That's my opinion.
Maybe Nostr isn't the everything app then and will only appeal to a certain demographic. It's full of developers and freedom fighters. This won't appeal to the majority. Most people don't want to run a node on Bitcoin, they just want to use it. Just like most people won't want to take control of their sm with a nip 05 (if that's the correct term - I'm not running my own relay) they just want to check in on their tribe.
If a programmer takes 3 years to learn the basics, imagine a random traditional social media user. I honestly believe most people are not joining Nostr and Bitcoin because of the Onboarding Setup.
You need a very good visual presentation to explain how Nostr works, the possibilities and how to set it up. Once users understand what it is, then they will start studying it.
it will never reach a "critical mass"
it has already peaked like 2 years ago
it is a niche platform for elite individuals like myself
and the rest of you are just here to consume my content
theres so many based people on nostr already i think if your feed sucks its on you
maybe lots of folks aren't ready to take responsibility for their own social media
my feed is awesome, no complaints, just being realistic on the numbers and slow growth.
being realistic and honest isn’t being hateful. i love nostr, i have a great diverse feed.
sorry yes meant you/your as in generic third person not you as in roya
number of zaps are going up and to the right and every day i scroll across new profiles i want to follow so nostr looks good to me
as long as devs are working on the right things i think that's the main thing ✌
i understand completely how you feel sir tiger, it just comes to a point where it needs to be said, just so we can acknowledge the biggest fault without it offending us all personally.
it seems that when this topic is brought up in any way, people take such personal offense that it’s shut down with zero thought to the issues existence. we all know deep down inside it’s becoming more and more a problem, but our egos won’t let us admit it and actually try and fix it.
with nostr , people are out in wild having in person local meetups, running nostr lounges at confs , having music /gigs, people are putting in real work so i totally get must be super discouraging to come back and see ghost profiles
guess ive been free loading off that work, living in my little nostr bubble, so haven't even thought or seen lack of growth of nostr as a problem
is part of it that if it is not the right time for nostr for some now , then maybe it'll be their time next time they pick up a nostr app?
is part of it that existing nostr apps people have built are clones of existing SM? the big SM apps we think of today, part of what helped them get traction was a degree of uniqueness?
is part of it the intial followers issue, so an answer is the follower pack idea that nostr:nprofile1qqs9pk20ctv9srrg9vr354p03v0rrgsqkpggh2u45va77zz4mu5p6ccpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309a5xjum59ehx7um5wghxcctwvshsfmrzrk just worked on?
isnt it also worth considering, that the big SM apps got big becuse they had VCs pour millions upon millions of dollars into them to make them big
nostr is free and open protocol so either eventually someone wil find the right combo like a rubiks cube and unlocks growth you want to see or there might be an investmnt worth making for a VC and were off to the races
the majority of people who use social media, any social media, don't post and don't create content. they only consume.
in a decentralized environment, these users can't be targeted or advertised to so it's difficult to keep their interest if the flow of content is not fresh or not to their liking. working hard to find their people and build their feed is a barrier to entry. even if it is overcome and they do find their people, they might still not turn from consumers to creators.
most people are not creators and don't want to be. they're perfectly happy scrolling, doling out likes and zapping their favorite creators. There's no reason to try to turn them from consumers to creators. The ecosystem needs both.
you’re absolutely correct. i never thought of it like that…
More engagement, no one likes posting and not getting any likes, zaps or comments. Users need to interact more with content
A "What do you like" quiz --> recommendations. I think social media is about finding your tribe. Centralised social media does it seamlessly, although the content created isn't the users ofc. So far Nostr has been 'Bitcoin is your tribe' and that's basically it. Other tribes are developing but it looks like they're very freedom orientated, which 99% of the earth aren't used to, or even want to be part of. They want to follow others and not lead - the opposite of freedom.
Optimize the apps better. I have trouble posting images, loading videos and searching.
Nostr would have to stop sucking so bad
Devs would have to start trying to make nostr actually work instead of focusing on dumb pointless shit like Olas and Blossom
Goverment overech, control and censorship also coupled with nostr development should do the trick.
Get them to easily send invites to their friends. Lure them in through free sats, give them free speech.
(Oh, make accepting sats easier)
I don’t no 🤷♂️ I think you can't eliminate this factor
As more visually appealing Nostr clients emerge so will the community.
I'm using Openvibe which connects me to Nostr, Mastodon, threads and Bluesky.
I'm trying to degoogle and get back to my self-hosting roots and multi purpose clients like Openvibe are a good half point to get people to stay longer
New user experience is akin to screaming into the void without engagement boosting tools like nostr:nprofile1qqsvn6daczcrcgdaxdap9h84k33af876l6yy4gfth9gvrqhfund7nwqprfmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuum4v3hkxctjd3hhxtnrdaksz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wsqj2amnwvaz7tmzw4a85cn0wskhyetvv9ujucn4d3kxjumgvfhh2mn50yhxxmmdfgk5h0 I know I've been around a couple years
Why do most people leave? Seems to be because of the Bitcoin chatroom vibes? What is the solution? It'll probably take a while pre-existing community deciding of their own volition to join here to change the atmosphere.
It also doesn't help that primal is one of the biggest clients and caters to increasing the Bitcoin Twitter chatroom vibes (recommended users and sidebar).
When you state this tho you get a couple of responses.
1) it's not true that nostr is a bitpxintwitter chatroom
2) it is but that's a good thing
Lol
the it is a good thing response is utterly cultish
Doesn't really matter what features you have.
An Instagram client - it'll be full of Bitcointwitter 'memes'.
A tiktok video client - it'll be full of Bitcointwitter 'memes'.
Etc
someone needs to run a new primal, same code but for something like homesteading.
You can have it so it excludes Bitcoin chat and it also excludes people who 'trend' because they have lots of followers (given by primal lol). Ie have an inverse primal influencer list that automatically excludes eg (bless him) Derek Ross (et al).
It’s the Bitcoin — the large swathes of people who have made it their entire personality and congregate here.
I get a “not terrible” amount of engagement when I post things, which is very nice. But it’s the Bitcoin content that stops me from opening up the feed more often.
Even a good amount of the visual artists are guilty of this. It’s depressing.
It's an unfortunate aspect of the meta which is partly accidentally and partly intentionally (eg primal) made here.
Musicians, artists, poasters make stuff about Bitcoin and/or nostr, because the meta is geared towards it. It's pretty much noslop lol
Primal needs to die off.
Community relays need to be a thing.
A program of algorithmic detox could help.
Why do you think Primal needs to die off? I'm not a fan of it personally because I feel like it's sort of the iPhone of Nostr apps. But to that same point, it does help onboard people for whom the technical side of Nostr is going to always be difficult.
The whole thing is broken and the devs are insufferable narcissistic turds.
I think we can’t know why each person who does this does this, but I suspect the most common reason is there isn’t a critical mass of active users who post about diverse topics yet.
Are there all kinds of topics on Nostr, not just Bitcoin and developing? Yeah, sure. Are many of those actually thriving with multiple, thought-provoking, inspiring, educational posts and conversations each day? Not yet. This is different from what legacy social media still offers.
If Nostr is a small frontier town, it’s also one still focused on its “gold rush” origins. The people who are also bakers and barbers and launderers and artisans, etc. are usually also prospectors, or at least willing to accept that this is a community which would not exist without prospecting, and prospecting dominates most town conversation. As it grows further, I think we’ll see a deeper culture develop with more independent discussion.
The honest answer is that Nostr doesn't provide the everyday user anything that they can't get elsewhere in a more convenient package.
I love Nostr, but I've accepted that its always going to be niche. They don't care about the things we do, and it takes a certain person who is willing to walk away from the network effect on other platforms.
Devs need to stop rolling out clients that have only 10% functionality or so and start being more receptive, grateful, and considerate of user feedback instead of calling their users idiots and treating them like their inferior. Yes, I'm looking at you Primal. Stop collecting and storing user search data on your server and lying about it and stop KCYing users to create a LN wallet. That's a much bigger turn-off, for most, than you believe.
i think everyone (incl. devs) on nostr should do a full month (starting in june maybe?) of not mentioning the ‘b’ word or anything that associate w/ it and also not mention nostr itself, yall can post anything else except those 2 things, and i think we’ll get more new users that will stay here, lets call it the nostr b1tc01n talk fasting month of bitmadhan. if you cant handle the b word fasting go to twitterX and spit it out there. what do you think? #asknostr
idk what to post. my work stuff is secret and i'm not exactly looking for attention. i don't want to leak to much about me, either.
I do a lot of thinking. Whenever I think of something interesting, I try to figure out a way to post it as a note. I end up posting a lot of random hot takes, jokes, and bait. I also don't want to reveal a lot of infirmation about myself, so I will often make stuff up about myself that's obviously false or otherwise modify my examples or anecdotes so that they don't reveal personal information.
I don't get a huge amount of engagement, but it doesn't matter because I'm never leaving. What about you? Are you here because Nostr already does what you want? Or are you here because you believe that one day Nostr can do what you want?
I'm here, because despite the lack of a dislike/downvote button, Nostr offers unrestricted free speech. Unlike Lemmy, which I also use, Nostr posts can't be deleted easily by a mod (which on Lemmy can be anyone who volunteers/creates a community + admins).
Deleting fights spam, but is often abused for political reasons (too humane, too communist, too capitalist or too nazi for mod), which creates circle jerk communities, where everyone just posts what the mods want to hear, instead of actual conversation/discussion.
I believe that no user is entitled to having their posts hosted or displayed on another person's platform. However I also believe that no platform owner has the right to prevent two consenting users from seeing eachother's posts. I know if I was a platform owner I would absolutely have to censor my users or it just wouldn't be worth it to me, and that would be my right.
However, Nostr would be a fantastic tool for me, because I absolutely don't want to violate the rights of my users while running my site. Nostr represents a convenient way of creating an uncensorable decentralized backend to a censored and centralized frontend platform; it's an ethical solution to a hard problem. The best way I see for Nostr to grow is if hosts and moderators are allowed to create their own communities however they want to, but also if users are allowed to dip below the veil to interact more freely.
The biggest issue I think is that few Nostr users have an actual problem they need to solve. I think most Nostr users have the solution and are working on finding the problem that it solves. And I also believe that most centralized website users don't agree with the right to connect, or don't feel guilty about making it harder and more unpleasant. I think Nostr has a place in the world, but it's anyone's guess if the protocol will become unusuable before fulfilling the prophecy. Maybe Nostr 2 will be better, who knows?
Sorry, *most centralized website OWNERS feel no guilt about being judge jury and executioner. They only see how the posts ruin the vibe of their community, but not how some users might still want to be able to see it on the side.