What are your favorite guns for someone who is not a big gun enthusiast but is passionate about self defense?
Like, you aren't optimizing for a zombie apocalypse but you want your wife to be able to pick up the gun and defend the house from intruders if need be, and the gun's maintenance levels have been maybe questionable but it's reliable enough to still probably work reliably and she can wield it.
The simple answer is a Glock 19 for handgun and a 12 or 20 ga pump for shotgun.
But I don't think you realize the shit storm you just unleashed hahaha. Get ready.
Once this dies down a little ask .45 or 9mm to really get em going.
Don't own one (yet) but many like Glock 19. A good heuristic is what's used by police / military.
Have you ever read the book 1q84 by haruki murakami?
Aomame’s pistol in 1Q84 isn’t described in minute detail, but based on its characteristics (small, discreet, and silenced), it could resemble a PPK or a Beretta 71 Jaguar, both commonly associated with covert ops and favoured for their size and reliability.
Copy pasted descriptions:
• Walther PPK: Known for its compact design, this semi-automatic pistol is often used by operatives and ideal for concealed carry. It’s famous for its role in espionage, like James Bond, and fits Aomame’s efficient and professional style.
• Beretta 71 Jaguar: Lightweight and popular among Mossad agents in the past, this .22 LR pistol has been equipped with silencers for stealth operations. Its precision and understated design could match Aomame’s preference for silent and efficient eliminations.
Smith & Wesson model 29 .44 Magnum
Glock. And don’t let anyone tell you differently. You can pick the size and caliber you want. There are various opinions on caliber for a home defense gun. Wall penetration is a consideration, for example.
Glocks go bang. Period. You can treat a Glock like total shit and it will fire when you pull the trigger.
Sig Sauer makes great guns. H&K makes great guns on the more expensive side, but for pure reliability, Glock is second to none in my opinion.
Great question
Glock they are very reliable or just buy a Semi-Auto shotgun for home defense I'd load it with a mix of birdshot and 00 buckshot maybe even toss a slug in there
Start with:
Glock 19
Mossberg 500
A basic AR-15
Ruger 10/22 just for fun
For most, an EDC self-defense round in 380 is sufficient and comes in many form factors such as the Smith and Wesson m&p bodyguard. The largest you need to carry is a 9mm, and most Non-Glock fanatics will tell you to shop around but avoid glock because of size and weight. Most women prefer revolvers for some reason.
blank gun. it has an explosive sound to scare but cannot kill (which is good).
No. This is how one dies a brutal death. You do not get a weapon to scare people.
blank guns rarely cause harm, however i think there are some occasions led to deaths. but i agree, i don't own a gun. i do not support it.
Oh I support the 2nd amendment. I’m saying if you choose to own a gun don’t fuck around. You draw a weapon, be prepared to use it, properly. The person you are confronted with is prepared to cause you significant harm - even death.
#noPopGuns
hahahahah that's a plot twist. i am not from USA. It is really difficult to get a license in my country. you are subject to separate licenses 1. to keep it at work, 2. to keep it at home, and 3. to carry it with you. my father was a private security officer and was only allowed to carry a gun at work. in order to obtain this license, he had to go to the range regularly and repeat his training - just to keep it at work. i think this is the right thing. not everyone should have easy access to guns.
We’re in the U.S.; it’s written in our constitution.
1. Right to free speech.
2. Right to beat arms.
#2 is there to guarantee #1, and ensure a our Government doesn’t get too cocky.
i think there is no correlation between free speech and bear arms.
*bear arms
A Ruger SR-9 9 mm. I have smaller hands and have no problem using it. A 9 mm center of mass is going to stop any nut who isn’t wearing military grade body armor.
They also make a 9 mm that’s slightly smaller. I’m not a fan but it might work for those who want it to be as small as possible.
Glock
One of my earliest assignments as a journalist for SportsAfield involved shopping here: https://berettagalleryusa.com/collections/semi-auto-pistols Beretta has a really deluxe showroom on the upper east side of Manhattan.
Glock 19
It’s not just the gun, but familiarity and practice with it.
For something small and reliable, a Glock 26
+1 for familiarity and practice
In handguns most anything 9mm. Cheap common ammunition and reasonable stopping power without too much kick. Glocks mostly but I prefer something like the Hellcat for carry. It feels best to me of the easily concealable handguns and I am the most accurate with it.
For defending the household from a Zombie apocalypse you probably want a good combat shotgun. 😉
Get a Glock
MP Shield EZ
There’s a reason why many law enforcement carry a Glock.
For someone with a small hand, the Walther PPK (or PPK/S) is a good choice. It's a small automatic (made famous by Bond) chambered for a .380 cal round. Perfect for the bedside table, and home defense.
For a larger hand (most men) I really like Sig Sauer P226. It's really expensive, but highly reliable which is what you want in a home defense situation.
A sawed-off shotgun (Remington 870) loaded with 12-guage birdshot is also an excellent home defense weapon as you just need to point it in the general direction of your target. And the birdshot will prevent a lot of damage to your home, and prevent errant shots from impacting your neighbors.
I've heard the argument that .380 offers less stopping power; stats from actual confrontations have shown a 9mm is much more likely to stop an attacker. And even a person with small weak hands can handle a 9mm with practice.
I'm not a pro so i don't know how much weight to put on this argument.
A .380 and a 9mm are virtually the same size. A .380 loaded with appropriate hollow-point rounds has plenty of stopping power in a confined space, like your living room.
AR-15
Sig Sauer P320
9 mm Glock or Ruger
9mm / glock
Bookmarking this to see how much it blows up
Glock 43x. Smaller than a Glock 19, still 9 mm
STRONG SECOND ON THIS. G9 DEFENSE +P EXTERNAL HOLLOW POINT AMMO IS NICE TOO - MAKES IT EASIER TO GET THROUGH COATS, WINDOWS, DOORS, ETC. AND FASTER FOLLOW UP SHOTS COMPARED TO 124+ GRAIN ROUNDS.
nostr:nprofile1qqsw4v882mfjhq9u63j08kzyhqzqxqc8tgf740p4nxnk9jdv02u37ncpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9uju6mpd4czuumfw3jsz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wsq3yamnwvaz7tmsw4e8qmr9wpskwtn9wvql3tqm, I PRAY YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT HELPS YOU GET SOLID HITS AND FAST. "STOPPING POWER" DOESN'T MEAN MUCH WITH PISTOLS. KEEP SHOOTING UNTIL THEY'RE DEAD.
I'VE SEEN TOO MANY BAD GUYS KEEP FIGHTING AFTER BEING TURNED INTO SWISS CHEESE. ABSENT A HEAD/CERVICAL SPINE SHOT, IT OFTEN TAKES A FEW SECONDS FOR THEM TO STOP FIGHTING. AND EVERY GUNFIGHT IS STILL JUST A FIGHT SO YOUR TRAINING MEANS EVERYTHING.
A300 ultima patrol shotgun.
Got this for my lady. Smith & Wesson MP9 Shield EZ sub-compact 9mm. Perfect for lady-sized hands.
I would think a revolver would work best for you if you want so.ething that doesn't require much maintenance. .38 special, probably
It is my favorite handgun. it was designed for those with less grip strength or dexterity. it is easy to load and super easy to rack the slide. there are also good lasers that can be added for that extra badass feel.
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/smith-wesson-m-p-380-shield-ez-vs-smith-wesson-m-p-bodyguard-380
You will get a ton of advice about brand and type. The specifics of your use case will have a great deal of impact on the optimal choice.
Short answer, I would recommend training. Then likely a semi-auto 9mm handgun or AR15 rifle depending on the peticulars. Renting or borrowing a few examples and gaining your own perspective is highly recommended.
Most major manufacturers make reasonably reliable products these days. Additionally, any defensive firearm should be trained with, to at least some degree, to validate it operates properly.
For someone of smaller stature, especially without much training, I would avoid shotguns. This is due to relatively high recoil, low ammunition capacity, and a greater training requirement to operate a pump action reliably under duress. Semi-auto shotguns are available, but can be picky about ammunition choice and still have the other drawbacks.
Semi-automatic handguns, specifically in 9mm offer low recoil and simple operation. They can require training to use accurately, but are easier to manuver with if you need to move from one end of the house to the other. I.E. to retrieve children, etc. As they can be used one handed, they allow use of a phone to summon help while still at the ready.
Semi-auto rifles like the AR15 can be easier to use accurately, and carry significant ammunition with relatively low recoil. They are more difficult to manuver with and require two hands, so may be the best option if the strategy is to stay put in an area like a bedroom.
This is just one plebs opinion, and I am by no means a professional in this space, but hopefully it helps.
Easily the best answer. I agree with the training. Get a 22lr 'rifle' to practice with while you test and try out others from ranges, stores, and training.
Agreed with all of that. Here is another pleb's opinion: I've been shooting guns and training for a long time with police and military types - training is very important and should be an ongoing thing...not a "one and done." And the training should cover not only gun safety and how to shoot the gun, but also the mental aspects (and legal implications in your locale) of self defense. Drawing your weapon should be a last resort, when you have no other alternatives left and you fear for your life/safety or that of loved ones. While TV and movies glamorize it, shooting someone is a life-changing decision and there can (will) be long-term implications.
Practicing at a range is also a good idea, as you will want to be very familiar with the gun and comfortable shooting it. The last thing you want is to need a gun and have issues with it, not know how to load it, unholster it, flip the safety off, shoot it, unjam a misfire, etc.
I've probably bought more guns than shoes over the years: some I keep, most I eventually sell via consignment through my local gun club. My experience is that everyone will have a favorite (or a few favorites) and those will vary by person. Fit and how the gun feels in your hand(s) is important, and a gun that my friend loves may be too big or small for me. So best bet - if you can - try different guns at a reputable gun club and see what you like and what you don't. Many ranges and gun clubs let you rent guns and try them out at their range. That should help you narrow in on a good choice for you.
Sig Sauer P365 XMacro comp = excellent everyday CCW
Standard Glock 19. Simple. Straightforward. Got the Mrs to use it.
Training and practice matter more. Get an ammo type you can afford and remember follow up shots, and shot locations, trump caliber or anything else people argue about.
My first firearm was a Ruger SR40c, which I love dearly. Heavy trigger pull, so practicing squeezing is a must, but overall great. My one complaint is they make it in 9mm and I should have chosen that to make range time cheaper.
Personally, I would get a list together, go to gun stores and ranges and try stuff out. See how they feel in your hand, see if you like shooting this type vs that type.
.22lr is great for plinking and practicing. Relaticely cheap firearms with cheap ammo, maybe buy one of those while you go through training.
Just about ANY compact firearm. Lots of great suggestions below. 99% of it is familiarity and training on said firearm though
Personally I have a G19 and my wife has an Sig Sauer P365x micro. I’m actually a little partial to hers
The question is if you are going to carry or for home defense.
Home. Hypothetically for the question.
For my wife to use? As-25 all day long
Wow.
Ar-15.
Check your spelling before you note!
also, the 380 option means slightly less recoil but plenty of power.
Beretta always nails it 
The Remington 870 12ga shotgun is one of the most ubiquitous, low priced, and very good for home defense.
Definitely a rifle for house defense.
Easier to aim when you are scared and the hands shake.
A 9mm carbine will not overpenetrate and hit the neighbor.
Ruger PCC is excellent but heavy.
CZ Scorpion 8” in 9mm is a great choice if you can find one.
Make sure you get a flashlight on it.
Do not get a shotgun or a sub200 or fpc.
Just picked up a Glock 43X for my wife for Christmas. It's lighter and on the smaller side, only 10 round magazine, but she can use it for concealed carry, and it's a Glock, so it fires every time.
Just got the 43. So much nicer carrying instead of that heavy ass 19
The Extar EP9 is great for home defense, and the S&W Bodyguard is a great tiny .380 "pocket rocket" for concealed carry.
AR-15s are the superior platform today because they are easy to control even if you are a small person(low recoil), very accurate because we are accountable for our actions, low maintenance(basically dont need cleaning only occasional lube), high capacity magazines mean you can defend against multiple attackers, and they are effective at close or long ranges.
Pistols are much harder to get proficient with and require weekly practice or you’ll loose the skill. But if you are interested in carrying a weapon, get the largest pistol you can comfortably carry. Glock 19 is the Toyota truck of the pistols. The Glock 43X is great smaller option.
A sovereign individual is the primary force of peace in their world. A centralized force of peace officers fall prey to the same problems that plague any centralized system.
Primer paso y fundamental:
Preguntale a tu esposa si quiere tener un arma. Respeto
Ahora bien. No conozco a tu esposa, pero pensaste que ese arma también puede matarte a ti? Solo lo menciono.
9mm semiautomática.
La mejor que puedas adquirir y cuanta mayor capacidad de cargador mejor. Dependerá también de la masa corporal de quien la empuñe. Tiene que ser cómoda en la mano.
Como ejemplo: intenta matar un mosquito contra la pared con una mancuerna de 1.5kg.
Mientras arreglas el hoyo reflecciona sobre este ejemplo.
Y sobretodo recuerda que tu mejor arma son en orden:
Tu cerebro
Tus piernas (Corre si puedes)
La roca, palo, o lo que tengas a la mano...
Y si es tu pistola que así sea.
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First and fundamental step: Ask your wife if she wants to have a gun. Respect.
Now then. I don't know your wife, but did you think that gun can kill you too? I just mention it.
9mm semi-automatic. The best you can buy and the higher the charger capacity the better. It will also depend on the body mass of the person who wields it. It has to be comfortable in the hand. As an example: try to kill a mosquito against the wall with a 1.5kg dumbbell. As you fix the hole, reflect on this example.
And above all, remember that your best weapon is in order:
Your brain
Your legs (Run if you can)
The rock, stick, or whatever you have at hand...
And if it's your gun, so be it.
Remmington 870. Shotty is reliable, simple to use and low maintenance. There are a variety of shells for home defense.
Can It Get Any Better? Walther PDP Pro-X https://youtu.be/nDHqQhDdxx4 @MrColionNoir
Glocks in .40 or 9mm . Extremely reliable and easy to operate.
I like the Smith & Wesson M&P 9 Shield Plus. It's great for concealed carry.
Petite female here, same!
I fired several handguns until I found one that just felt right. This was it for me.
Lyn,
There are a lot of truly terrible answers here.
Reading your •actual• question in its •actual• entirety as it was •actually• written leads us to a very different place than whoever recommended an AR-15 thought we were going.
Also, whoever recommended your non- gun enthusiast wife pick up a 10mm was either trolling, didn’t read your question, or isn’t aware the FBI stopped using it because it was too powerful for many of its big strong professional agents to handle.
Please be cautious.
So, since you specifically asked ONLY about (1) home defense for (2) the non- enthusiast, I am going to offer my sincere advice for those criteria.
My answers for (1) preppers and (2) carry would be quite different and more demanding, but for non- enthusiast- wife- home- defense, here we go…
1. Revolvers are the tools of beginners and experts. This is why Jerry Miculek did not set any of his records with semi-autos. (Because semi-autos simply cannot keep up with Jerry Miculek. Only revolvers can.)
2. Semi-autos are for the middle range of adequate to accomplished shooters.
Thus…
3. I recommend you (or anyone) should go to a range and rent various revolvers until you find one you can actually shoot accurately. If people were robots, that would be the most important thing. But people are not robots, so it ends up instead being the second most important thing.
The most important thing is that you actually •enjoy• shooting it. You simply must •like• shooting it, or you will never practice enough to become competent.
4. To make practice easier, cheaper, and more fun (so you will actually go to the range) I recommend you also get a.22lr revolver.
Stance, grip, sights, trigger… almost everything you practice with a .22 will map over to larger calibers. Recoil control, of course, is its own separate thing, and will have to be practiced with your chosen defensive caliber after you have developed the other skills mentioned.
5. All other things being equal, bigger is always better… but things are not remotely equal, and shot placement trumps everything. Period.
Caliber thus matters far far less than literally almost everyone (and their dog) will insist. What will actually matter is that your defensive round use a center-fire primer. THIS is the reason not to use a .22 for defense… NOT its small size. Because rimfire primers are less reliable. Use literally any center-fire caliber you (1) enjoy shooting with, and (2) shoot accurately with. Rimfire is for practice because it’s cheap, and occasionally doesn’t go bang when you want it to. Center-fire is for the real world.
6. .38 Special will probably be the cheapest, most plentiful, and most readily available revolver caliber in the U.S. into the foreseeable future. Practice costs money. Ammo shortages happen.
7. Stainless steel is low maintenance and wonderful. A SS revolver will need very little cleaning and maintenance compared to, well, almost any other firearm in existence. Place it wherever you want it to be (in a safe, behind some books on a bookshelf, in a toolbox, in your bedside table, etc.) leave it there, and when you suddenly and unexpected need it in a few years , it will be there and it will fire.
8. Adjustable sights are wonderful for target practice and competition; mandatory for sharp shooting. Rigid fixed sights physically carved out of the frame of the gun cannot slip or be knocked out of alignment, and are more than accurate enough for home defense. I recommend adjustable sights for toys and fixed sights for weapons. You are not sniping.
9. In many situations, but perhaps especially at home, over penetration is bad.
Missing with a shotgun, because it’s a yard long and heavy, invites over penetration when you discover to your dismay that it really does go right through sheet rock despite the internet’s assurances to the contrary.
Hitting with your .38 because it’s small, light, handy, and easy to wield in tight spaces solves your over penetration problem by burying the bullet in the torso of your uninvited guest.
But if fear of over penetration haunts you to the point of interfering with your willingness to arm up, use Glaser Safety Slugs or another similar ammo. These replace the bullet with shot pellets.
DRT makes ammo that uses bullets made of powdered metal. It disintegrates when it hits a hard target.
Practice with cheap, solid “ball” ammo, then load these expensive alternatives when you get back home.
10. When you (or anyone) are comfortable enough with your skill at arms with the revolver, THEN it will be time to look at semi-autos. (Or when your needs change.)
For the cool kids who hate my answers but didn’t bother to actually pay attention to the question, I will reiterate here that my answers for preppers, militia, concealed carriers, or other enthusiasts would be quite different, and much more demanding.
Good luck, Lyn. DM me if you want to discuss in further detail.
I wanted to zap this but you don’t have zaps set up, sir.
Likewise. This is an outstanding answer — I just shared it with my wife. She’s stoked for her first lesson next month and this piece of advice fits quite nicely.
Very solid answer. My one adjustment would be that 22lr is not sufficient just because uf unreliability, it is not powerful enough for defense. There was a home invader shot in the face with a 22; they pulled it out of his nose, and he was fine. That having been said the British military used .38 special for many years, and it is certainly a generally capable cartridge. I second this recommendation.
Ok but what about for zombies?
Zapped deferred until you have a wallet set up, sir.
No wallet setup. Have a follow instead.
Set up a wallet!
Idk I think the correct option is an LR308 chambered in 6.5 creedmoor armor piercing, with a helmet mounted Arkayne RENV-B
It’s a great answer, I do have one addition I’d recommend, get a speed loader for it as well and practice with it at the range. Capacity is one of the only downfalls to a revolver, and one of the biggest reasons people will automatically recommend semi-auto… you probably would never need to reload in a self defense situation, but if you do, you want to be able to do it quick and Jerry Miculek didn’t just set speed records shooting revolvers, he also did it reloading them with speed loaders
If it's for home self defense, a slug barrel 12GA shotgun with buckshot is the universal tool
YOU'RE NOT WRONG WITH THIS APPROACH BECAUSE TRAINING IS ALWAYS PARAMOUNT, BUT I STRONGLY URGE CAUTION BEFORE FADING SEMIAUTO HANDGUNS THIS HARD. BAD GUYS WILL ALMOST ALWAYS BE CARRYING SEMIAUTO BECAUSE IT'S A SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY AND SOMETIMES THEY ROLL WITH A SWITCH. IT'S NOT FUN TO BE OUTGUNNED IN AN AMBUSH.
EVEN WITH TIER ONE OPERATOR LEVEL TRAINING, YOUR SKILL CAN OFTEN BE NEGATED BY AN AGGRESSOR'S PROXIMITY AND SPEED. FRACTIONS OF A SECOND, SHEER VOLUME OF FIRE, AND GOD'S HAND DECIDE THESE TYPES OF SHOOTOUTS. AT LEAST THEY HAVE FOR ALL OF MY GUNFIGHTS WITHIN 10 METERS.
IF THE THREAT MODEL IS IN THE US AND 1-2 HOME INTRUDERS LOOKING FOR ECONOMIC GAIN, THEY'LL OFTEN BE ON DRUGS TOO. THE MORE BULLETS THE MERRIER IF THEY'RE ON STIMULANTS. RAPID, SOLID HITS AND WALKING ROUNDS TO THEIR BRAIN IS THE BEST GAME PLAN FOR THOSE SITUATIONS BECAUSE TAKING OUT THE HEART OR SPINE WON'T END A FIGHT FAST ENOUGH TO ENSURE ONE'S SURVIVAL.
I cant tell if this is a troll or real. Hand a novice a revolver? Wut? This presupposes they will be dedicated to weekly range trips for life. I love revolvers but am a enthusiast who trains weekly.
ARs require a small fraction of the training. Dont get a handgun if you dont plan on training.
ARs require you do clearance drills for when the bloody thing jams & if it isn't cleaned & maintained it WILL jam, same with a bloody steyr, same with the rest of the auto / semi auto rifles.
Nope. They need lube with use but dont need cleaning. Spend more time shooting. Guns dont need cleaning.
Read the whole bloody question.
My original reply to Lyn:
AR-15s are the superior platform today because they are easy to control even if you are a small person(low recoil), very accurate because we are accountable for our actions, low maintenance(basically dont need cleaning only occasional lube), high capacity magazines mean you can defend against multiple attackers, and they are effective at close or long ranges.
Pistols are much harder to get proficient with and require weekly practice or you’ll loose the skill. But if you are interested in carrying a weapon, get the largest pistol you can comfortably carry. Glock 19 is the Toyota truck of the pistols. The Glock 43X is great smaller option.
A sovereign individual is the primary force of peace in their world. A centralized force of peace officers fall prey to the same problems that plague any centralized system.
100% this...basic instructional knowledge that non-instructors lack yet assume they have
Knowledge about firearms does not equal firearm competency in an emergency situation
the keyboard warriors saying shotguns are the best choice..smh
Its wild to think of handing a hand gun w an 8 pound trigger to someone unfamiliar. Or a 12 ga to someone of Lynns stature. Im certain she could handle either w practice but till then i hope she has an AR in her closet.
That scene in pulp fiction when the dude busts into the room w a huge revolver and misses every shot. If i was to go against someone w no training, i hope they have a revolver not an AR
I’m a non gun person. I found this write up really interesting. Thanks random internet person 😄
Pistol: Siig P365 in 9mm is a great all-around pistol and easy to carry concealed
Rifle: Short barreled AR-15 (Pistol brace or SBR). Suppressed .300 BLK subsonic is a good indoor option
Hard to beat a short barrel pump shotgun for home defense and ease of use. Any 12 gauge will do.
Exactly my set up
Home defense? Revolver, 38 special hollow point rounds.
My father ran that in the 70s with a mustache, and I’m all for it.
Awesome 😂 Revolvers are excellent for reliability even with little maintenance. 38 special is a very capable defense round, especially if you use hollow points. Lower recoil than 357 magnum, which makes it easier to control as well.
My 1896 Colt single action army is 100% my favorite gun in the collection. 130 years old and still shoots amazing.
🔥🔥🔥
Here's a story.
My father was a cop/detective for 30 years, from the 1950s into the 1980s. He was old enough to be my grandpa. I was born when he was 52.
He dies in the early 2010s. My older half-brother and I have to deal with his estate. His estate is a messy trailer with random stuff, a 1970s' snub-nose revolver, and a ton of hollow points. Since I'm the only one that grew up with him, I know where all of it is. His gun, his bullets. My brother is like, "all that is illegal" and I'm like, "yeah, but here's where it is".
So we collect his gun that is so old to be illegal, and his illegal hollow points, and bring it to a police station. We're like, "this is our father's, what do we do?"
The police officer was super cold at first. Asks us a ton of questions, sticks us in a room. And we're there for like 20 minutes.
And then the police officer comes back after running everything to make sure it's not wanted, acts like an excited schoolboy, and is like, "Omfg this thing is awesome! It's a snub-nose from the fucking 1970s. A classic! If you give it to us we have to destroy it. Which is horrible because all of us literally want it. It's so fucking cool. Are you sure you don't want it? We'd love you to have it so we don't have to destroy it."
But both my brother and I were in different states, and without licenses at the time (unlike now), so we were like, "nah, sorry."
So that's how my father's revolver went out. Being fanboyed over by cops decades later. It felt right.
This
A 380. Glock would be fine. Walther. A few others make nice 380 acp. Perhaps a 38 revolver. Not a snub bose though on a 38 spl. Lot of kick for new gunner and smaller hands.
My recommendation is to find a good instructor! It’s not hard to feel competent with a good instructor and a bit of practice on the range and with cleaning the gun.
Glock 17 gen 5 or glock 19. Check both by your hands size same recoil, use a holster and do not forget to practice and learn safety use
Get that bitch a canon. Bitches love canons.
Serious answer: I can hit targets with a 9mm pretty reliably and my aim sucks.
I follow Lyn on every platform
SIG P365. Great small size, really controllable
Glock 19. The Toyota Camry of guns. Works every time. Requires minimal maintenance. Most popular gun in the world for good reason.
IT'S WHAT I CARRY TOO. BUT DOESN'T FIT EVERYONE'S HANDS EQUALLY - IMPORTANT FOR CONTROLLING MUZZLE FLIP AND GETTING FAST FOLLOW UPS. SINGLE STACK LIKE A 43X MIGHT WORK BETTER FOR SOMEONE LYN'S SIZE.
Totally 43x is very good for smaller hands
I SUPPOSE THE 19 FOR LYN WOULD BE LIKE A 17 FOR THE AVERAGE GUY. TOUGH TO CONCEAL BUT FUN AROUND THE HOUSE. EITHER WAY, FUCK SIG, S&W, AND THE REST OF EM.
I said 19 over 43x because it’s for the home and you can get 22 shots out of a 19 with extended mag. Where as 43x is what 10 or 12? If you have a good two handed grip the 19 should be fine.
THESE SHIELD MAGS ARE PRETTY SOLID AND TAKE THE SINGLE STACKS UP TO 15 ROUNDS. BUT THE AVERAGE HOME INVADOOOR PROBABLY HAS A 50 ROUND STICK WITH A SWITCH AND A CRACK HABIT SO ANYONE WOULD BE FUCKED, EVEN WITH ELITE KIT AND TRAINING https://www.shieldarms.com/shop/sa-s15-nc-gen3-s15-magazine-gen-3-15-round-magazine-for-glock-r-43x-48-7120
There are also the PSA 15 round mags with polymer that doesn’t require changing the mag catch. Unfortunately neither Shield or PSA are as reliable as the good ol oem
EITHER WAY, PSA AND SHIELD ARE PRETTY GOOD. MAGAZINE RELIABILITY IS ONLY ONE PART OF A SYSTEM'S OVERALL INTEGRITY AND EASILY MANAGED BY MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION. IF IN DOUBT, PUT 1K ROUNDS THROUGH A COUPLE DIFFERENT MAGS AND RECORD HOW THEY DO. THAT'S ONLY LIKE 280K SATS FOR 9MM BALL, PRETTY GOOD DEAL FOR VALIDATING ONE'S LIFE SAVING SETUP.
You can get a 15rd. mag for the 43x.
Beretta M9. Not overpowering. Will put an intruder down with center of mass shot.
I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THIS. WHILE I DON'T WANT TO BE SHOT WITH 9MM, IT'S NOT GOING TO KILL SOMEONE WITH ONE ABDOMINAL HIT QUICKLY ENOUGH TO WIN MANY FIGHTS. I'VE SEEN BAD GUYS TAKE 5+ ROUNDS OF 308 THROUGH THE CHEST AND KEEP SHOOTING FOR LITERAL SECONDS.
THE BERETTA M9 IS GREAT FOR SELF DEFENSE, ESPECIALLY GUCCI-ED OUT, BUT THE SHOTS NEED TO BE FIRED AT A HIGH VOLUME AND ACCURATELY DIRECTED TOWARD THE BRAIN AND BRAINSTEM. IF SHOOTING CENTER MASS, BE PREPARED TO DUMP A FULL MAG AND RELOAD QUICKLY.
I've seen people with armor on take a 9m and keep moving but its not a good time and it wasnt from close range like anything inside a house. Most people (99% of home invaders) are toast rolling on the ground crying and bleeding out from a 9m center of mass. Not thinking let me get Susy Homemaker. They dropped and lost anything in their hand and are praying to the god they don't believe in to come save them.
I always had my 9m on me but when I went outside the perimeter I would take a 45 I managed to procure 🤣 and an M16 or AK if i could get my hands on the ammo! Much different situation than home defense.
FAIR ENOUGH. I PRAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IS MORE RELEVANT THAN MINE AND THAT LYN NEVER FACES VIOLENCE. BUT SHE IS A PUBLIC FIGURE AND CERTAINLY MORE VALUABLE THAN A SUSY HOMEMAKER TO ANY BAD GUYS WHO DO THEIR HOMEWORK.
ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE AFGHAN METH AND SUDDENLY UNARMORED BAD GUYS CAN KEEP SHOOTING EVEN IF THEY'RE TURNED INTO SWISS CHEESE FROM MULTIPLE CREW SERVED WEAPONS INSIDE 10 METERS. I STAND BY THE IDEA THAT MOST TRAINING SHOULD INCORPORATE DUMPING A FUCKTON OF ROUNDS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE INTO A THREAT UNTIL THAT THREAT IS VERY, VERY CLEARLY DEAD WITH SEPARATION BETWEEN BODY AND BRAIN. AND EVEN THEN, DO NOT APPROACH THEM WITHOUT PROPER TRAINING BECAUSE THEY COULD BE PLAYING POSSUM OR RIGGED TO BLOW.
1911 Kimber
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Having taken people who aren’t gun people to the range I always take a selection of my collection. See what they like. M1 carbine is always a fan favorite. AR15 not so much. I’d use my carbine for self defense but some of them are junk. They’re also expensive.
Then again when people ask me what gun they should get my questions are usually what they want it for and do they have a gun they aren’t thinking of that will do that if they take the money a new gun would cost for ammunition and range time in preference to buying a new gun without being able to afford the new gun, instruction and range time.
I don't think the courts are going to accept 400m as self defence unless there is heavy incoming fire...
If it gets that heavy I’m breaking out the crew served but yeah probably not needed.
Glock19 is great. It’s not too large that it’s unwieldy, and it holds 16 rounds of 9mm with standard magazine. Extremely reliable and intuitive to use.
A revolver, preferably one chambered in 357 magnum, which can be used with lighter .38 shells for novice shooters. Never jams, no manipulation required other than to understand the basics of point and shoot. The Ruger SP101 is an unbreakable, reliable beast of a handgun that anyone can get up and running with 10 minutes training - and it’s small. Just one example, there are others out there. But unless your friend is going to train, give them something easy to use that is most certainly capable of protecting them from anything that comes their way.
A Glock or a 1911
Glock 19 all the way
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Glock 19 Gen 5 with a Trijicon RMR and a Streamlight TLR-7. Federal HST 147 gr. ammo. Add a polished trigger and extend mag of your choice if you’re feeling spunky.
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Nothing that needs the slide to be racked, so it must be a revolver.
9mm Revolver that feels good in your hand & you shoot well with it.
Preferably a revolver that is dual action where just pulling the trigger once cocks the hammer, so you can't just pulling if need be no wasted motion.
The problem with semi automatic pistols is the gun has to be cocked by racking the slide - in moments of stress this isn't good for a woman who has less grip strength than a man by a lot.
The only sacrifice is the number of rounds.
I would try this, but 9mm is not a must can go lighter.
9mm is intriguing just to be able to accumulate ammo for all my weapons including my wife's.
They make models that have a decocker and a da/sa, with 15+ rounds, ie most beretta m9’s
uh...I just leave it loaded, and in moments of stress simply pull the trigger
OR JUST HAVE A MODERN PISTOL WITH A ROUND CHAMBERED AND BE TRAINED ENOUGH TO NOT ND YOUR OWN LEG OR CROTCH. BECAUSE BAD GUYS ARE ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO OUTGUN THE AVERAGE SMOKE WAGON ENJOYOOR.
I went this route w a Charter Arms Pitbull 9mm. tho I think for dedicated home defense a shotgun is where it's at
Any gun that when it comes to a self defense moment you yourself won’t have loss of hearing. I’m no gun expert but I’ve fired some that made made my ear ring for days. A small caliber will do the job generally fine and is not as noisy. Quite and effective is the way if your not putting on some hearing protection while ur playing with your unwelcoming guest 😜
shotguns are best for home defense...
a .410 is good for women
low maintenance pistol would be a glock, 9mm probably best round for women... maybe a .380, but I'd encourage 9mm
or you can get into .300 blackout or .223 AR platforms.... would recommend cleaning after use though... this would require more time, but could also be more fun and encourage more practice and education....
Sig Sauer P320 9mm, they are reliable and easy to use/maintain. Have some quality hollow point mags ready to go for home defense and head to the range every once in a while to feel comfortable.
Sig 365XL; Glock 19; Remington 870 or Mossberg 505 in 20GA. Make sure you get to a range and train! Semper Fi..
Glock 19 in 9mm all day long, stupid simple operation, no safeties to trip you up, not terribly hard to pull the slide back.
But if you want something you can take with you and put in a purse, or conceal on your body, smith and Wesson m&p shield 9mm performance center.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/performance-center-m-p-9-shield-plus-with-carry-kit
Actually, all of these suggestions pale in comparison to an AR-15 or a shotgun for home defense, but you ideally want both, the pistol to lay down cover to get you to your rifle. Most anyone is more accurate and deadly with these, handguns take practice.
Agreed. My Glock has never jammed. I like .40cal however for availability (common LEO caliber) and stopping power.
BioFire in Colorado is building a 9 mm biometric handgun that uses fingerprint and facial recognition to authenticate the user.
Do you have to look into the barrel. Wtf how stupid is that 😂
Below is if we’re talking pistols. Let me know we’re talking rifles or shotguns if you’re not wanting to go the pistol route.
CALIBER: 9mm
(or .380 IF you end up liking it better after shooting the caliber. This is basically a compact 9mm without as much powder. Can be better for smaller guns and newer shooters. Worth a look if you get to test some guns before committing and think you’d enjoy it more. No sense in punishing yourself right out of the gate. Find a gun shop with a range on site, and helpful staff, for a chance at testing both and shooting before buying.)
Go get these below models in hand and see what feels comfortable and lets you get a tight, comfortable, confident grip.
** Springfield Hellcat Pro **
My pick, all things considered…
I absolutely love the Springfield Hellcat Pro.
18 round capacity, doesn’t feel big, very user friendly and reliable. Comfortable to shoot.
https://www.springfield-armory.com/hellcat-series-handguns/hellcat-pro-handguns/
** Sig Sauer P365 **
I love this gun.
11 round capacity, very small frame without feeling small at the grip. Various sizes (like X, XMacro, etc) available if they’re more comfortable in hand.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-optic-ready.html
(Just happened to see the Rose versions of these that they came out with recently while gathering this link… those are fun.)
** Glock 19 or 43x **
Glock has a very longstanding reputation of simplicity, reliability and quality. Feel these out in hand compared to the others. Can’t go wrong here if you end up liking them.
https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g19
https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g43x-us
OPTIC?: As for the site, see if you like the idea of a red dot optic on the pistol. I like this for home. They make them small for these, also so that they awaken when moved (shake-awake) so they’re basically always ready, without a dead battery, and no need to mess with turning it on in an emergency. For this I really like the Holosun EPS Carry (shown on the Hellcat Pro). Even has solar power complement to long-life battery.
IMPORTANT: Let someone knowledgeable teach you how and when to shoot it. At the range, put a few hundred rounds through the gun. Maybe 50 to 100 per visit across 6 visits over a few weeks. This will help you create some muscle memory and comfort with firing the weapon.
Definitely AR-15 or Glock 19
A pump-action shotgun like a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500. Simple, powerful, and intimidating. Intruders hate them.
Glock is a powerful and effective gun, but imo not suited for women. It has a powerful kick and probably won’t be ideal for the scenario you described. I’d recommend some sport’s gun with comfortable grip, small calibre that has little or no kick. They are not that powerful but easy to handle and much more accurate in less seasoned hands.
Anyone saying anything besides a
youth-sized 20 gauge
is wrong.
You can pick one up at Walmart for like 250k sats, they have large components that are forgiving to neglect, can be used for hunting anything from birds to medium game, and will send bad guys to a dirt nap without having much pass-through inside your home.
I'd recommend pump action due to simplicity, but you can get them in semi-auto for a bit more sats.
Train.
American society is so degraded, you have come to the conclusion that guns are a must. even an interesting topic of discussion on a "freedom" platform.
self defense is good actually
Peace through strength is a feature, not a bug. I hope I never “need” our guns, but will certainly be glad to have them if we ever do need them.
Just like BTC it’s the hardest right for humans. State doesn’t have a monopoly on violence. You can blame the government for the criminals, they just let them out. We have a lot of crazies on the streets as well.
It’s not degraded it just the culture
I got my wife a Byrna LE… very effective and non lethal
just get a 12 gauge
they're tried and true
however indoor gun ranges typically do not allow you to practice with them
so you have to have an outdoor gun range which is hard to find sometimes
there are fake plastic bullets that you can practice with that are Barbie pink and obviously not a real bullets
12 gauge shotgun like a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870, loaded with buckshot and with a lot of practice time at the range.
...and since this is likely locked in a closet not strapped under your bed, you might consider a handgun near the bed (in a proper palm lock safe) that is grabbed on the way to the shotgun in the even that someone breaks in.
…. In Australia we just about have to make sure the intruder is safe and comfortable, and, this part isn’t a joke: if he hurts himself breaking in, he can sue you for negligence
Best to go to a gun range and say the same thing you just posted. Test out a few handguns, rifles. It really depends on the person.
A rifle is deadlier, easier to shoot compared to a pistol. Pistol is easier to carry, etc.
After purchase, get training or train at home on how to operate the weapon.
AR. Get an AR. It's the most modular firearm in existence. I would argue much easier for a woman to shoot than a pistol. Tolerances are tight, maintenance an be sparring and it'll still shoot as long as it's not bone dry.
I have an assembly guide.
for space wise and easy accessibility, an ar would be kinda hard though. it’s so obnoxious and not easy to shoot with as a woman. fun, but extra as hell.
+1 for the Shotgun. If it comes down to an actual gun fight, it will be more accurate at close range and the sound is something everyone understands.
Glock and AR15.
The Glock is cheap, reliable, and safe.
The AR15 is extremely modular. You could buy a Daniel Defense if you want something a little better.
Invest in courses, ammo and range time instead of the fanciest equipment.
Glock and any shotgun made in America
Glock 30 for hand gun, or mossberg 500 or remington 870 express pump action 12 gauge for long gun.
38 special revolver. Simple and reliable.
The Governor is a pistol that shoots .410 gauge shot shells. Perfect home defense
Pretty crazy to recommend a semi auto to someone not into guns - that shit requires practice to rack the slide in a nervous situation - especially if you're a woman.
Am former SWATie and military. I gifted .380s to wifey and daughter in law. You’d do fine with most of the larger brands but look for something compact and concealable that fits your hand. Absolutely most important without question is to put rounds downrange, lots of rounds. You have to become comfortable and confident not only with squeezing rounds but with carrying, drawing, aiming and shooting under stress. I mean literally walking around the house with it on your person (unloaded) and practicing ‘draw-aim-squeeze’ until it becomes muscle memory. Carnegie Hall shit. Anything less, you’re at risk of either not acting safely or getting it taken away in a real situation.
Second most important is clean and maintain meticulously so it works when you need.
Pick one up next time you’re in Texas, am always glad to teach at our little ranch south of San Antonio.
Glock 43x with the extended mag.
I built my own, just a little guy, but it was fun to bring crafting and self defense together lol. I think whatever you choose, try and see if you can build it, and take the conceal carry class, it’s worth it.
A simple Sig 226 if you have a carry license and a .223 CQBR configuration for home defense.
Bad maintenance? Probably want to avoid self loaders, something that was around in the 1800s perhaps, how many intruders are we talking about? Not much to go wrong with the old double barrel or an old revolver.
Better off just maintaining & cleaning the damned things properly so you have faster stuff that feeds properly.
AK-47
Action
There are two modes of gun action.
First there are those in which the user must ready the gun from one shot to the next (lever action, pump action, revolvers and more)
Second are those in which the gun readies itself (semi-automatic)
For a smaller, less-trained user (like a woman or child) I would strongly recommend a semi-automatic.
The action the gun uses to ready itself absorbs some of the energy and spreads the force over time, reducing the felt recoil.
Because the gun readies itself from one shot to the next, the user generally cannot interfere with the ready process.
However, because the gun is performing a complex task very rapidly it is possible for the gun to fail in various ways.
For example, it is possible for the shell that held the gunpowder for one round to fail to eject from the gun, blocking the next round from being loaded.
In contrast, manual action weapons will tend to have more recoil and (if operated correctly) are less likely to fail.
However, improper operation of manual action is a greater risk due to the greater responsibility placed on the user, and the failure rate of self-loading weapons is quite low.
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Should you get a rifle, shotgun or handgun?
A long gun (rifle/shotgun) will be much easier to aim and control.
A handgun can be concealed and the smaller size makes it easier to maneuver in tight spaces.
Most importantly, a rifle or shotgun causes wounds in a different manner than a handgun and is far more powerful of a weapon as a result.
With handguns the body's natural elasticity (because it is mostly water) is able to absorb much of the energy and the bullet crushes a path through tissue.
In order to quickly stop a villian by handgun, the bullet must pass directly through the central nervous system or a major artery.
With long guns, enough force is delivered to overcome the elastic potential of the body and bullets can rupture entire areas of the body through which they pass.
In order to quickly stop a villain by long gun, the bullet must impact roughly in the vicinity of the central nervous system or major arteries.
Caliber
The final major category to consider is caliber.
Based on ballistic data, any handgun caliber of about 7.5mm or wider (eg 32 ACP, 380 ACP, 9mm, 10mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP) will achieve the depth needed to present a lethal threat.
Any rifle caliber above 22LR will be fine (eg 223, 556, 30-06, etc etc)
Shotgun you're almost certainly going with 12 gauge due to availability, and then slugs are way too much and birdshots' not enough so it's got to be buck.
As to specific firearms, it depends somewhat on where in the world you are.
Some options to consider:
Glock 19 - Ultra-reliable and almost certainly the world's most popular 9mm handgun
Beretta 1301 - Semi-automatic shotgun
Benelli M4 - Semi-automatic shotgun
AR-15 in .556mm - Extremely light recoil, lightweight, and ammo is widely available in West/NATO regions
AK-47 (or AK74, etc) - High reliability and you may find the ammo more reliably in 3rd/Soviet world
If I had to pick one gun for home defense (which might be handled by less trained women or children) it would probably be the Beretta 1301 with 00 (double aught) buckshot.
I would also recommend you get a 22LR pistol / rifle (the same handgun / long gun choice as you made with your main gun)
This will be super low recoil and ammo is extremely cheap
This is a good training tool
However you do need to shoot your actual home defense gun from time to time to maintain competency
TO EVERYONE WHO RECOMMENDED A SHOTGUN: you're wrong and you don't know what you are talking about. Out of every tool available that is by far the worst choice. Too much recoil, low capacity, low armor penetration but too much wall penetration. There is no advantage to a shotgun - none. A poor marksman is going to miss just as much with a shotgun as a rifle.
AR-15 would be my top pick. 9mm handgun (pistol) that you shoot well and practice with if you need portability. A high quality pistol that fits your hands.
Revolvers have some advantages (and many disadvantages), but require more skill and practice than a pistol, such as a Glock
Glock 19
