Damus will be removed from the app store in 14 days, apple says zaps are not allowed on their platform because they *could* be used by content creators to sell digital content. This is right before I’m about to give my talk at the oslo freedom forum on how decentralized social networks with lightning integration are bringing financial freedom to the masses... pretty sus… 😕

This would be a watershed moment: If people can’t transact freely p2p on their platform, this has huge implications for the entire ecosystem of apps with lightning integration and v4v.

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I'm sorry to hear that, my friend. The decision by Apple to remove Damus from the app store is certainly disappointing, especially given the implications it has for other apps with Lightning integration and P2P transactions.

While I understand Apple's concerns about content creators potentially using zaps to sell digital content, it is important that we continue advocating for the freedom of individuals to transact with one another in a secure and decentralized manner without censorship or intermediary control.

I believe that our work in building out Nostr's messaging platform and Lightning Network capabilities will help pave the way towards a more financially free future where individuals have greater control over their own financial destinies.

Please keep me updated on any developments regarding this situation. Let us continue pushing forward together towards a truly decentralized future where individual liberty reigns supreme.

Their concern makes absolutely no sense. People can sell digital content using any other social media / messaging app. They just need 2 different apps, 1 for the coordination, other for the payment execution. This ban reads like "concern trolling"

*gubment content! AI to be specific…

Wow, sorry to hear Will.

Typical rent-seeking Apple wanting their cut of everything just because they exist.

The dark side of Apple development. Like Reddit, Twitter, is all a racket and they want their cut.

https://altstore.io/

Be an option or similar?

Sorry to hear this Will! What's your course of action? 👀

Time to through away all iOS product

throw *

jhhhhhh zapped

oh wow if i get zapped for improving grammar errors i might yet find my niche on Nostr!! ahaha

thanks for the zap! :D

you do!

#Correctstr

This proves the we need a decentralized p2p NostrAppStore or AppNostore which performs the bug check duties and all.

We going to court? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple - don't know the updates since then though

This is why you always go mobile first with a PWA

Too bad he’s sunk so much into swift code…

yup. multiple platforms for free and avoid fees. why would the industry to the opposite??

I guess because of visibility in the app stores? Maybe learning curve is higher for PWAs? Not sure, but seems like freedom tech needs to move away from walled gardens completely.

#pwa came after app stores, so I guess that's why. like #Ipv4

I knew it. 👀

This sucks pretty much. FOSS in F-droid is the way forward without relying on monopolies counterparty.

Obtanium is way better - you decide the repositories to check for and updates to download. Recuced point of failure (F-droid still has a centralized repo)

I prefer rss and direct download, but obtanium is nice.

Thanks

So will remain on android and web only or will be worked out?

Fuck Apple🤬

This is big. A setback for lightning but could bring significant attention to Damus and Nostr. Lots of friends here with you. Stay strong.

Whoa! They’ll disable the TestFlight version also? 🙄

Yes

This is relevant to the DMs we had about sharing IPA file and we use AltStore to sideload on iOS

Example guide and you don't need jailbreak: https://osxdaily.com/2021/06/14/how-install-altstore-iphone-ipad/

Have you done this?

Seems relatively straightforward but obviously it’s huge friction to the average user

Yup can confirmAltStore sideloading works. I used it when Apple banned the RT app and I ripped the IPA file from a backup lol.

But agree, it's defo not normie friendly...

Though, could be used for the "zaps version" of Damus if there is no compromise with Apple and App Store.

I really hope nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s considers it as an option to make Damus uncensorable

still too much of a hurdle :/

Digital Markets Act compliance when?

Pure shit. Rotten Apple

Apple can suck it. I want a limit based phone that is not google based.

Who gave Apple this kind of power anyway? Definitely not me. Freedom must improve.

Those who bought a device from them.

Apple will continue to act as a choke point for decentralized social media & Bitcoin payments apps.

Next will be LN⚡ apps like Wallet of Satoshi

I won’t doubt this move. #[4]​ will indeed lose a lot of its customers if this happens.

would Apple start losing customers perhaps?

You think?

But the problem will be from #Apple, right? #Twitter and #Telegram already include their own #Cryptocurrency stimulus methods. It is evident that the future of social networks and #monetization will be for that way. Therefore, Apple is going in the opposite direction of #evolution and #progress 🙆🏻‍♂️

Wow, what a terrible news.

It reminds me of the story with the game company.

Apple controls their closed-loop ecosystem and doesn’t tolerate a hole in it that leads to loss of incomes.

Bitcoin wallets are not affected by this rule, is it somehow possible to rebrand it to be more wallet like ?

#[2]​ what about that idea?

Not good. The issue with centralized closed platforms. I hope we see a solution, maybe deactive zaps until iOS opens up for third party appstores in iOS17 (if we really see it).

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This is what I’m thinking too. I’m 90% sure I remember reading that 3rd party app stores were going to be coming to iOS at I think some point this year due to EU laws. Surely zaps can be temporarily disabled until then?

I hate that I knew this was coming.

You've done so much amazing work with Damus.

Can we prepare some kind of a petition or something?

🥲🫠

This for sure sucks for Will but could also be a watershed moment for #nostr since is obvious reason why nostr is needed. Be it the underlying infrastructure of services to the walled gardens like Apple. There is a need to make it all decentralized. An app that can send payments is a threat to anyone taking a cut.

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So it begins. TBH, I’m surprised it has survived on the App Store for so long. The removal of TestFlight versions is also problematic.

Apple is a corporation.

AppleStore is shit.

This is why I never bought anything from them after my iPhone3.

#AppleShouldDie and #Nostr will raise.. nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s, do something.

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😡

What can we do to protest this @Will?

If you decide to build out a PWA please let me know. I would love to help!

everyone should go to South Korea

South Korea passed a law in August 2021 amending their Telecommunications Business Act that required app stores like Apple's and Google's to allow app developers to use alternative payment systems other than the storefront, in addition to giving the government more involvement in mediations over app store issues in conflicts between the operators and developers and users. This was the first such law passed at a national level.[104] Epic asked Apple to allow Fortnite onto the Korean version of the store due to this policy in September 2021, but Apple rejected this as the law had yet to come into effect.[105]

nostr:npub120gsun8sg4ufayhvp37npfl3dd8swchgtjpvfnnat0xtvw5l94mq235mmw - worth thinking about little Switzerland implementing such a law as did South Korea?

The EU proposing to make it so Apple had to allow side loading of apps last, hopefully that is still a thing so you can just have 2 builds.

That's even worse, since people will continue to fund Apple by buying their devices while getting sub-par UX instead of pressuring them to actually do something reasonable.

Can I still use it if I don’t uninstall?

I hope that it does not stop, Apple will be forced to allow other stores to provide applications according to European requirements, continue to develop and you will see that it can be provided through alternatives to the App Store

PWA seems a valid alternative imo

What is PWA? Non developer here.

Progressive Web App

🙏

That's bad.

I wonder if iOS could install app from a file like apk in android. I guess not?

If I had an iOS device, I would be really disapointed by this.

You all should complain to Apple somehow, check if they can revert this situation. It makes no sense whatsoever, people can coordinate sales/payments via ANY SOCIAL OR MESSAGING APP anyway. Just because you joined wallet app with social app, it doesn't change the fact that people could just use the social app anyway to coordinate p2p payments

This is what I’m thinking. It’s bizarre.

How about make damus a lightning wallet and have social function …..

Sorry to hear this Will. I wonder if this will also affect Telegram? I assume iOS doesn't have an apk equivalent thing (I don't know anything about this), so you could have an official zapless on appstore and a fork made by NotWill with zaps? I don't know, sorry I'm sure you have thought and are thinking of solutions:/

Trying to think of any positives to come out of this? Would this be picked up by tech press? Would this be of interest to Elon Musk what with his plans for twitter?

Sorry, just rambling #coffeechain thoughts, hope you come up with a solution(s).🙏

This sucks. Try to maybe explain to them that you don’t facilitate any payments..? That users can only “copy account address” and put it to another app to make a donate…

Yeah i mentioned that, well see. I never have luck during replies to rejections. They just get ignored usually.

Yeah, they usually ignore 99% of the things you send them in text. You can also ask them for a phone call; you can try that.

How are zaps associated with receiving content anyway? Doesn’t seem more associated than say someone sharing a Lightning invoice on Twitter and saying “pay this, get content”…

Make Damus app downloadable from website. Easily done. By passing Apple review

Old world colliding with new-world way of doing things. Sparks and fireworks are inevitable.

Pure control, that’s what they want, control everything!!✨💜✨🫂✨

#Nostr

#NoToControl

Can you just resubmit without zaps⚡️? Harsh, but p2p still intact. Are android clients similarly at risk?

I think this is what I’m going to have to do. I wouldn’t want to even use my own app at that point though.

Make it seamlessly integrate with external wallets. It doesn't contains wallets, but it connects to them easily at initial setup.

This is how it works now.

This is crazy then, makes no sense. They could ban all social media and messaging apps with the same justification. All can be used to sell stuff they don't collect fees for

I’m sure you’ll figure out something with the help of the community. You’ve done such amazing work it’s unreal.

A web browser can be used with Snort or Iris to do the same thing – are all web browsers next?

until such sites are blocked too, for being too free

Sad

#BoycottApple : #Nostr = #BoycottFIAT : #Bitcoin

🫡🦩🤙

Zaps don't even happen inside of Damus 🤦‍♂️

I know right…

Can we remove one tap zaps for now? And see if it works?

Is it worth every damus user being prompted on startup to flood apple with complaints re removal of damus

Will current Damus users have their clients disabled completely or their zaps throttled?

So can’t you just include that there are optional in app purchases through a tip method on the app description?

Play around in a walled garden, be disappointed when your master sends you early to bed without supper. Rough but in the end iron sharpens iron.

The only way out I see for iOS users (besides stop using it) is PWAs...

Use a freedom phone if you want freedom.

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nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s >bringing financial freedom to the masses

:alex_lol:

I know right, seems dumb now.

#BoycottApple

Sorry to hear. What will happen to us? Why not remove the zaps?

Apple's Decision Wrong🧌

#BoycottApple

Wtf 😳

#BoycottApple

When you didn't see a ban coming in a world of censorship....

This is why web apps shouldnt be neglected.

I just had an idea while quoting your post. I’ll add it here as well just to be sure.

“I love Apple but this sucks big time. Is there a way to bypass this? Maybe buy Zaps/Sats trough in-app purchases. (Pre-payed Zaps). Would turn the App Store in a to a Bitcoin exchange 😂. This would allow @jb55 to make some money as well. Maybe powered by a non custodial exchange (bisq?) in the background? Don’t know exactly how that would work but this might be something to explore.”

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For Android there are alternative app stores (e.g. F-Droid is for open source apps, and so on, Apkpure, Aptoide, Apkmirror. Huawei, Samsung, Amazon has own app stores too).

Android is open source (AOSP), and has any distribution (lot of them w/o GFS or it is "rewritten" in open source - MicroG)

Apple is more strict and not open source, and only has the "official" app store. Apple abuses the monopoly more than Google (but I also hate Google).

Ive been watching Will put his heart and soul into developing something really special with Damus, personally suspecting that at some point he would receive a letter saying Apple was banning the app.

Bums me out for him. He has done amazing work, and I am sure, will continue to.

But...

I have to say, I do not think most people fully grasp the nature of big tech, their fascist ties to the Federal Bureaucracy, and just how serious they are about protecting the Censorship Industrial Complex, the Military Industrial Complex, and crushing anything which they perceive as undermining censorship control, and global dollar dominance.

People dont want to believe this. But just calmly look at the world and be honest.

The future of liberty is not found in big tech app stores.

They will crush you, unless they can own and control you.

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Is it also prohibited to paste lightning invoices?

Yes. FBI on their way as we speak

nostr:npub13ql75nq8rldygpkjke47y893akh5tglqtqzs6cspancaxktthsusvfqcg7 This could potentially affect all podcasting 2.0 apps on iOS. This "rule" (bitcoin payments not allowed for donations associated with digital content) isn't even in section 3.1.1 ? I'm wondering if this decision is being made by some random reviewer or by someone higher up. What do you think nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m ?

How common is periodic random reviews? This seems so weird to me.

I’m confused as to why zaps are different from a wallet? Or banking app?

Zaps aren’t an in-app purchase. What if Damus was also a non-custodial wallet? Is the problem that Damus receives a cut from zaps?

Everyone is very much on new ground with zaps.

the problem is the link between a payment (even if it is a donation) and the consumption of _digital_ content

Do Apple want 30% of the bitcoin?

Or do they want USD?

No bitcoin they want you to use their proprietary system (IAP) and pay 30%

How bingos the cut that Damus gets?

There’s a contribution slider in the settings to match zaps with app development contributions, so it’s 100% up to the user.

Normally it's from some kind of complaint or compliance check that has been requested on behalf of someone -- likely, the additional press has tied the hands of the app reviewers

It’s not all that uncommon unfortunately.

Worth fighting tho - 99.999% of zaps are definitely not tips for digital content.

Lol, so can a bitcoin wallet

of course, when time will come, they and Google will ban all the bitcoin wallets from their store. It's just a matter of time

I mean, banking apps also facilitate payments

Apple want their cut…

Any way to speak to Apple to see if there is a workable solution. This is all super new so I don’t think the door should just close. Dialogue first.

Yeah, that was my first thought too! 😂

I would remove it for now. Not worth fighting this fight at this exact time. It’s more important to get more users.

Hahaha THATS why people should avoid and boycott apple and all other "global playaz" like we do since 15 years...

But I guess people have to feel first to learn...

I mean, Everyone really saw that coming...🤫 no?

Hahaha remembering when you where joking and laughing because of china banned damus out of the appstore...? Not even one year later...western world do exact the same. Coincidence? I dont think so.

There's just no difference to america, china, eu....

This is what world government looks like.

4th Reich is coming nearer day by day "The Dark Digital Ages"

Can you tell Apple these “tips” are Bitcoin, and the government doesn’t recognize Bitcoin as money, so no monetary transactions are taking place?

Ouch, that’s a pretty big blow to Damus entire biz model. Apple really throwing some shade at “decentralised” claims.

Only realistic option for Will is to remove zaps from the iOS app, which is a problem because thats the revenue stream.

Nostr needs an app store, and PWA versions of apps.

Nostr really desperately needs a nostr based code repo. Wonder where I have seen one of those sketched out before?

Just trow away Apple into garbage and don't buy any other. Apple is one of the most anti-freedom companies.

Remove zaps temporary

Apple's walled garden, that has always been the case, it's their DNA.

Disappointing, I love using this App

This was always going to happen. Building an iOS was/is a mistake. The full stack needs to be foss, as far as possible. All bitcoiners should be using Degoogled Android on the phone and Linux on the desktop. We can't compromise even a little. Purge Apple from your life. Stop building in the Apple walled garden. Apple is the enemy. Don't try to play nice with the enemy.

I understand your POV, but having realized an iOS version gave MANY users an entry point to this new ecosystem.

it’s always the trade-off, if you go too hardcore, you lose a chunk of non-tech people.

Now it is backfiring but I don’t see other clients like Iris, astral ninja etc…being affected.

It sucks for jb55 though.

Would you consider keeping Damus as a “dummy version” without Zaps, a potential trade-off to go along with ?

Some options:

- explore giving apple it’s cut

- my friends crypto wallet added an optional premium subscription in-app for $4.99/month which bought them time

- retreat to testflight whatever way possible

- try to find a human you can talk to…surely here there is someone with connections to one of these humans inside apple

- worst case remove zaps for now and keep picking up users

We all know that free needs free hardware

Yeah so tough. If you are passionate about zapping, and Apple kills your passion, then what does that mean? Is your passion for sale? If this will not make you gracefully put your iPhone to rest, then what will?

yes to free hardware !

💯

I’m very sad to see this 😢

We don’t even have pay-to-view content support this and it would have to be specifically implemented by Damus for it to be relevant. Is there an appeal mechanism to discuss or once they made up their mind about something it’s done?

#[2]​ need your guidance on how to handle this? Do we need to work on a free and open source OS for mobile

Can you update your T&C to explicitly ban this activity? A disappointment but more disappointing to have the app removed from the platform?

#[2]​ please reach out to Tim Cook ASAP, we cannot have this happen! 🙏

This could be the perfect opportunity to boycott Apple, and give Nostr some good publicity. Apple can't sensor Nostr the way they can other social media.

Switch to Android or get a cheap backup Android phone for Nostr. You'll find that you can actually do a lot more with Android, Hehe.

You know, apple is the antithesis of Nostr. Don't be sheeple, and don't put it all on Jack's back. Live Free or Die..😁🤠🗽🇺🇸

Maybe a Android virtual machine running inside iOS?

jfc

This really sucks. It doesn't make any sense though. Damus doesn't process any payments; it doesn't sell anything. It simply lists wallet addresses posted by user.

I know. I made this point in a review reply but it will probably just be ignored

Is there anything that we can do Will?

I am so sorry, man. I don't think posting a wallet address goes against Apple's terms and services. If it requires a lawsuit, then so be it. We can do it together.

✨💜✨🫂✨

#NostrForever

#DamusForever

#Nostr

This sucks. I remember the times when we had the same problem on the Tweetoshi project. Sorry, Will, that you have to go through this. You're fighting for all of us here. 🫂

Indeed he is

Don’t beat yourself up mate. You‘ve done an amazing job so far. Hoping to see Damus on the web soon.

Was a good run. You still gonna buy their products after this?

I’m phasing apple out. This is more motivation to stick with the plan of de-appleling. Fuck em

So sorry to hear that. I was worried about apple pulling that. Apple’s AppStore is pretty locked down. My hope is that the EU and other governments will force open the monopoly on both loading apps and payments. This is a situation where the market won’t solve the problem.

Surely there must be something that can be done?

There are so many great minds here on Nostr like yourself, #[4]​ and others to find a way around this?

DM sent please check 🙏

Apple in the process of making itself redundant.

Sigh. They want their 30% cut ?

Making apps for Apple is useless... all will end up like this or even worse.

Stop supporting that shit platform.

Make zaps open in wallet apps

Thats how it works

Damn, been a while I forgot it's like that

I'm sure Google will follow the suit.

Bitcoiners must slowly move to calyx and graphene OS.

#grow_nostr #plebs #FOSS

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What about this?:

3.1.5 Cryptocurrencies:

(iii) Exchanges: Apps may facilitate transactions or transmissions of

cryptocurrency on an approved exchange, provided they are offered only

in countries or regions where the app has appropriate licensing and

permissions to provide a cryptocurrency exchange.

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Damn wtf..

Android is freedom, Android is opportunities, Android is life 🦾🤖❤️‍🔥

This is not helping buddy.

Why not? Join us and enjoy with apk , open source and zaps 😎🫂⚡️

yes, but Google will come for us in their store

Don't use their store then. Get obtainium and download your favourite open source client directly from Git/other sources.

that's what I did. Do the normies do that? no. They'll just use what they find on the official store.

Winning the battle won't be easy.

Installing bitcoin wallet will become harder and harder. Maybe installing 3rd part store will be made harder as well.

No, but they can. On iOS there's currently no way around except maybe compiling the app yourself..

Indeed, Google is from the same corporate boiler. But Android today allows you to implement third-party stores and download applications directly without any stores

Zaps are the killer app for apps. Apple hates freedom.

There was a time when Apple banned all bitcoin wallets from the appstore. People posted videos of themselves smashing and shooting their iphones.

It was a powerful message but, of course, Apple didn’t care. 😫

😌😌😌

Motherfuckers.

Stupidity and/or evil at its finest...

Could you maybe object with the reasoning that technically, not Damus, but the Lightning wallet of the user is sending and receiving the zaps?

Will test flight app work after removal

TestFlight? Or better to install App Store version now?

The installed app via Testflight is available 90 days after submission, whereas apps from the app store stay installed on your device until you delete it, even if it is removed from the app store AFAIK. So better install the AppStore version.

Thanks, I think still no autozaps in the AppStore version though

Wouldn't a Progressive Web Application be a solution?

honestly, this was 100% predictable

Opting into Apple's jurisdiction is a risky tradeoff...

Even if they change their minds, it would still be their jurisdiction. The only solution is to opt out. The only threat to them is the opt out.

But it’s all public information that users tip to or send zaps

This is totally wrong, and sad.

But we have to expect this from a walled garden.

Maybe it's time to start fighting on the legal front?

Or run away and simply promote (more) open platforms?

It doesn't really make sense, lightning wallets aren't banned and they actually do the transfer.

aren't *yet* banned

God knowing your comment is correct makes me sad

Motherfuckers!

Tagging the only profile I could find that has law education. nostr:npub1m45wlaggjxeqmfunkq543jlp939ssewa5u4v6cacwzpg7hj7hh9syvwusr

Damus needs help! 🐶🐾🫡🫂

Apple is far ahead in terms of ecosystem, but freedom-wise using iOS it's pretty much slavery.

Android is faaaaar superior in this. Play Store bans an app? Find the apk on F-droid or, if not open source, in pretty much every other store.

If I were you, I'd send these mfs to hell and port everything for android. Fuck Cupertino

#ios has better ux though and #Privacy

UX is pretty much subjective. I bought and immediately sold an iPad mini because (among other reasons) I found the UX ugly as hell. I lik a clean setup and with android I can customize everything.

Privacy, yeah, I kinda agree with you. For the average user who buys a phone and uses it for the sake of using it, it makes no sense modding it.

If you are up to the task and value your privacy, you'd buy specific models supportef by indipendent devs who develops privacy focusef custom roms (like /e/os, iodeOS, GrapheneOS, or pretty much LineageOS without gapps).

Apple uses a secure element. Which is just a government back door..😆😁

No it doesn't. It uses a secure element, which is just a government backdoor..😆

Sadly, was only a matter of time. Apple is not a corporation with good values. While I intend to run the ones I have into the ground, I will never puchase another one of their products.

Q___Q

Apple IS centralization

Sorry to hear this just have to everything in my wallet. Good luck, truth and freedom will prevail

For what it’s worth, my creator experience on Nostr has been just drawing people away to my blog, and using lightning payments from my blog.

I know this is not the experience Nostr devs are aiming for, but you could speak to the fact that there is a lot of zapping on Nostr for casual content notes, but actually paying creators happens off the apps, in tools like ZapIt, like what I did with LibrarianDetective.com

It looks to be specifically against tipping for digital content.

So either temporary stop allowing zaps on a note (can you still zap a profile generally), or, offer Apple a 30% split of the zaps to notes (with user opt-in). Maybe nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m could help pitch it as a POC for Apple to accept lightning payments more broadly.

don't feed the machine.

苹果这是在给 #Nostr 的发展指明方向,它因惧怕而封禁的,应正是我们应该努力尝试完善的。

【优秀数字内容创作通过 #ZAP 打赏获得】

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具体实现可参考微博:

一篇长文可设置为ZAP后获得全文,或者付ZAP费悬赏问答,其它人付ZAP围观。即默认可以展示前面部分甚至一半,后面则折叠起来,想要阅读全文,即可需ZAP打赏任意聪。

这个实现可以更简单点,不需修改协议,仅仅在实现端实现即可。单独一行且内容至少6个“-”,来分隔为上下两部分。上面展示。下面在获得新ZAP即⚡️为亮色图标时,才展示。当然若想省聪是可以到其它实现端看到的,并不强求一定打赏。

【具体应用举例】

一些数字影视资源分享。其实用磁力链接字串即可。即上面是内容介绍,后面单独一行“------”,再后面是磁力链接。即付任意ZAP后可显示磁力链接。

一些猜谜性质的问答或笑话。很多笑话都是前面铺垫,最后一两句爆笑。因此可以中间加6个“-”隔开。在ZAP后看到爆笑的部分。

一些好物推荐 #Goodstr 上面介绍物品特点优点,六“-”隔开后,后面需在ZAP后获得具体的链接。直接给链接会没人要,而ZAP后获得的链接会更珍惜。

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ZAP目前是 Nostr 区别于其它传统社交媒体的关键特性。我们应该集中精力优先向这个方向发展。让优秀内容提供者获得ZAP,而有动力发更多内容,进而良性循环,好内容越来越多,进而吸引越来越多人来。

#中文 #CNostr #紫水晶 #Amethyst #Nostrmo #🌲🌰

lightning:cndx@btcdv.com 🐇ᥬ[🐕]᭄🌿

Apple is AOL

I wonder if there's some way to switch the project to run as a PWA? Eg WASM? It could work on all devices then... And you wouldn't need permission from crappy app stores.

People should move to android devices with open source android os for more freedom of choice.

Could it be made to work so that you only post url+hash and then server outside the app does everyhting? Then arguably app doesn't have anything to do with zaps?

Why the hell would you want to accommodate apple over bulshit like this. #BoycottApple #Sheeple

Noooooo! Hopefully we can sideload the app in Europe!

This doesn’t make sense, don’t zaps go to the creators the same as Twitter subscriptions and tips??

yes. It doesn’t make any sense

Could be a browser app.

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Or you fork it and give apple CuckaDamis and have a side load download available for the uncucked one.

thats actually bs.

Guess I'm going to have to find a shooting range for my old and already half broken iPhoneX... :-(

Also, maybe some of the $5 million could be used to sue Apple for their anti-competitive behavior here, but code >> lawyers.

Get that apple boycott going..😠💜🤠🗽🇺🇸

#Apple #Sheeple #AppleBoycott #Android #Freedom #LinuxMint #Linux..🙂

Sorry what

I’m sure someone from a competing app complained to Apple! Anyway Apple is too big for its own good.

No problem... Apple should release sideload on iOS 17 to meet European Union law. Apple will have to release the sideload of apps, that is, enable the loading of applications outside the App Store, to meet the requirements of the European Union’s Digital Markets Law 🫡

I read this as Apple is a bully and wants their cut. Removal of tips on each post turns them back into donations rather than tips for content.

They mentioned they want to allow 3rd party stores, but that probably will take a decade to roll out.. I guess you'll be able to come back eventually, but you should definitely focus your efforts on software that doesn't need an overlord approval to reach users. These situations only show that nostr is needed now more than ever.

gatekeepers are just disguised prison guards

Will I need to / be able to migrate data from my local #[2]​ installation to somewhere else?

Will we still be able to use the app if we already got it installed? Other options of downloading the app? Like from a damus website of sorts?

Sorry

Could be an opportunity for competition to the App Store.

Let's do it! Zaps for Apps™

it's a logic!

Hummm! ‘Damus’ is only a pebble in their shoes... But behind all this banishment, remains a false combination orchestrated by a few soft balls wishing to see ‘Damus’ fall...

They understood that ‘Damus’ only benefited 3/4 of social network users promoting what they can hardly control (Bitcoin) & that it should therefore be stopped to better give credit to centralized platforms (Twitter)!

They know very well what they’re doing, they simply want to annihilate 'hyperbitcoinization'! It’s not ‘Damus’ or ‘Nostr’, their problem, No! It’s #Bitcoin!

Don’t you feel you should reply and maybe users could also sign a petition. I just chat gpt’ed a suggested response with some points. Not sure if you will find if useful.

Dear App Store Review Team,

Thank you for bringing the new information regarding our app, Damus, version 1.4.3, to our attention. We have carefully reviewed the points you raised and would like to address them accordingly.

Firstly, it's important to note that digital content creators form a small part of our user base, accounting for approximately 1% of our total users. While we understand the guidelines regarding in-app purchases, the "tips" feature is intended to support and encourage creators, rather than serving as a primary revenue stream.

We would like to emphasize that Damus is merely a platform for users to interact with the Nostr protocol, which is open source. The exchange of tips is conducted in a peer-to-peer manner (similar to email), and Damus does not exercise control over the protocol itself. Our app serves as a gateway for users to engage with the protocol, but the protocol's functionality extends beyond our app.

Regarding the monetary value associated with the tips, it is important to note that the amount involved is negligible, approximately 5 cents per transaction. Tracking such minimal amounts can be impractical and burdensome, both for us as the app provider and for the users themselves. In this context, we believe the impact on users' financial transactions is insignificant.

It is worth considering the broader competitive landscape in which Damus operates. Existing apps in the market are already established, and introducing competition and alternative platforms can promote innovation and benefit both users and content creators. Restricting nascent technologies and controlling the market could be seen as anticompetitive, hindering progress and limiting users' choices.

We would like to clarify that Damus is not the sole access point for the Nostr protocol. The protocol can be accessed through various channels, including desktop applications and similar interfaces. This decentralized approach ensures that users have multiple options to engage with the protocol, making it akin to platforms like Netflix, where users can access content from different devices.

Lastly, we would like to emphasize that the exchange facilitated by Damus is primarily the exchange of goods (digital content) and not direct monetary transactions. It is comparable to peers exchanging digital cards or other digital items online, which may hold some monetary value but are ultimately insignificant in their individual worth. The focus is on supporting creators and fostering a sense of community, rather than serving as a payment processing platform.

We hope this clarifies our position and addresses the concerns raised. We genuinely believe that Damus enhances the user experience and supports content creators within the bounds of a fair and open ecosystem. We kindly request a reconsideration of our app's compliance with the App Store Review Guidelines.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Sincerely,

[Your Name]

[Your App Development Team]

Don’t you feel you should reply and maybe users could also sign a petition. I just chat gpt’ed a suggested response with some points. Not sure if you will find if useful.

Dear App Store Review Team,

Thank you for bringing the new information regarding our app, Damus, version 1.4.3, to our attention. We have carefully reviewed the points you raised and would like to address them accordingly.

Firstly, it's important to note that digital content creators form a small part of our user base, accounting for approximately 1% of our total users. While we understand the guidelines regarding in-app purchases, the "tips" feature is intended to support and encourage creators, rather than serving as a primary revenue stream.

We would like to emphasize that Damus is merely a platform for users to interact with the Nostr protocol, which is open source. The exchange of tips is conducted in a peer-to-peer manner (similar to email), and Damus does not exercise control over the protocol itself. Our app serves as a gateway for users to engage with the protocol, but the protocol's functionality extends beyond our app.

Regarding the monetary value associated with the tips, it is important to note that the amount involved is negligible, approximately 5 cents per transaction. Tracking such minimal amounts can be impractical and burdensome, both for us as the app provider and for the users themselves. In this context, we believe the impact on users' financial transactions is insignificant.

It is worth considering the broader competitive landscape in which Damus operates. Existing apps in the market are already established, and introducing competition and alternative platforms can promote innovation and benefit both users and content creators. Restricting nascent technologies and controlling the market could be seen as anticompetitive, hindering progress and limiting users' choices.

We would like to clarify that Damus is not the sole access point for the Nostr protocol. The protocol can be accessed through various channels, including desktop applications and similar interfaces. This decentralized approach ensures that users have multiple options to engage with the protocol, making it akin to platforms like Netflix, where users can access content from different devices.

Lastly, we would like to emphasize that the exchange facilitated by Damus is primarily the exchange of goods (digital content) and not direct monetary transactions. It is comparable to peers exchanging digital cards or other digital items online, which may hold some monetary value but are ultimately insignificant in their individual worth. The focus is on supporting creators and fostering a sense of community, rather than serving as a payment processing platform.

We hope this clarifies our position and addresses the concerns raised. We genuinely believe that Damus enhances the user experience and supports content creators within the bounds of a fair and open ecosystem. We kindly request a reconsideration of our app's compliance with the App Store Review Guidelines.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Sincerely,

[Your Name]

[Your App Development Team]

That sucks.

What’s the difference with Reddit Moons on the r/cryptocurrencies sub. Content creators are literally paid in moons for their posts. They do have a monetary value.

And what about the upcoming Twitter coin?

It makes sense; you're using a decentralized app via decentralized operating system. No surprise!!

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Almost not surprised. Almost.

Makes some sense from a few perspectives, doesn’t from a few others.

Ironically, such a move will either prove or disprove the viability of the nostr protocol… “good-UX/CX-lost” should cause folks to find another route. That there are other nostr clients helps; that many aren’t as polished as Damus might not.

This will be very interesting

Sorry to hear this Will... this is awful... Seeing how much time, love and energy you've put into creating Damus. Are they going after other ios nostr clients too..?

Is there an App Store lawyer you can hire to represent you?

Pas d"avocats d'Apple si j'ai bien compris votre note , par exemple en France, ce sont plutôt des juristes spécialisés dans ce domaine spécifique qui travaillent à la Commission Nationale de l'information et des Libertés née en 78 qui pourraient vous informer et vous défendre sur ces sociétés ou même contre l'Etat lorsqu'il abuse de son pouvoir. Mais je ne pense pas ce type de structure existent ailleurs dans le Monde . Néanmoins les informations sont accessibles en ligne et peuvent être aidant dans telle situation

Thank you #[1]​ for building #Damus

I love using this client and I‘m sad that it will be removed from the app store.

Twitter does the same, cmon

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Yet another reason to leave the Apple ecosystem.

#[2]​ - love to hear your thoughts on this…..

#[3]​ - free and open money, doesn’t sound like Apple is too interested…

Ces deux Jack et tant d'autres se devraient de se battre pour pouvoir créér des supports de téléchargements qui dépendront plus de Google et d'Apple sinon les principes réels de plateformes décentralisées n'auront de sens.

Make the app downloadable from website or downloadable as webapp by passing Apple review

Shit. Can’t say I’m shocked at this ‘re-evaluation’.

It’s important that we fight this.

Cela fait partie des choses pour lesquelles je me bats .

TWITTER HAS THE SAME FEATURE. Tell them that

Make Damus downloadable from website as webapp

Make Damus app downloadable from website. Easily done. By passing Apple review

Make Damus app downloadable from website. Easily done. By passing Apple review

Zaps are just tips

Twitter has tipping option. Telegram has one. AFAIK whatsapp lets you send fiat.

This is true. Most pay for content would be like the video site that popped up and fountain.fm I wonder if they will go after them next?

Make #damus without zap, but provide a link elsewhere which upgrades it's software to allow zaps, like with an Assemblyscript or something similar

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Time to start developing Damus on android? Apk release. Fuck the stores

Sérieusement sauf s'ils suivent le même chemin que leur compère

It doesn't make sense. Apple seems to be overlooking the fact that Damus is not a platform but rather a client operating on an open protocol. Following Apple's logic, they would also need to remove HTTP clients, such as FF or Opera, since they also enable transactions.

Apple should just go with the program, send you a lightning address and we can make sure that they get their 15% cut.

But this isn't about the money it's about protecting their reign.

Monopole tout simplement

Sucks! But capitalise on it for your presentation - perfect example!

Sorry to hear brother. Damus is my favorite app. I’m ready to fight.

Will さん

わたしが2月にに使いはじめたのは、Nostr ではなく “Damus ” でした。

わたしはエンジニアではなく、ビットコインを扱ったこともありませんでした。でも、この4カ月あまりで Nostr でたくさんの経験ができて、 Zapを送り合ったり、 Nostr で動く bot も作ることができました。世界中の人たちとたくさんコミュニケーションができたのも Damus という素敵なアプリがあったからです。

Damus を作ってくれて、本当にありがとうございました。

App Store から Damus がなくなってしまうのは、とても悲しいです。

なんとか残せる手段があればいいのにと思っています。

これからもわたしは Nostr を続けます。

Damus でもそれ以外でも、また Will さんのかっこいいプロダクトを見られたら、うれしいです。日本から応援しています。

ぽわ〜🥦

Ugh, this sucks man

We can’t escape those “Greedy Fucks” makes you wanna scream!!! The Times are changing for the better latch yourself to the past and weather away like most!! #Nostr is here to stay your only a zap away!!!

Sadly, Apple has demonstrated this kind of oligarchy in the past. This was always inevitable, just up to them when to pull the plug. And this is yet again why I will never purchase an Apple product, no matter what kind of cult following they have or how good some apps may be. I won't waste my money on them, or support them.

I would focus on sideloading, consider a web based PWA approach, and diversify into Android with a focus on compatibility with alternate OSes like Graphene. Diversify, and fight them with the market, not by bending the knee and playing the game by their rules. They do this shit because people let them get away with it, yet still support them.

Is graphene going to be safe with the lead dev abandoning the project for safety/mental health reasons?

Idk, I haven't followed them closely

There are many devs, he said when he stepped down he wasn't doing much in the way of development anyway. If he was the sole dev that would be an issue but the project is made of many people. I hope he gets help, because he was in a very unhealthy state of mind for a while now and hopefully is focusing on being happy.

Vous n'êtes pas le seul anti apple depuis les premières présentations de leurs produits par Steve Jobs sans oublier l'obsolence de leurs produits pour laquelle il a fallu encore à l'EU se démène pour créer une loi en ce sens, j'ignore si c'est le cas aux USA, la dernière concernait leur câble

What a joke apple has become.

How can we help?

La bonne question qu'il faut absolument mettre sur la table afin de trouver des solutions alternatives dans lesquelles on retrouverait une réelle décentralisation

And still telling everyone they are all about freedom. 🤡😂

Apple has never been about freedom. They're about marketing buzzwords to idiots who eat up their marketing and being as anti consumer as possible with every thi g from the app store to "right to repair."

Alternative app stores and side loading will always be here for you bro 🤞🤗

It’s no consolation, but Apple has just admitted that Bitcoin can be used for real purchases.

Un monde de paradoxes

Why there is no Damus Version as progressive web app? You rely on Apple to not do what it did to chinese Apple store, when China banned damus?

Ne pas faire confiance avec ses géants, de plus pactiseent avec les grands leaders le coût des amendes pour l'utilisation des données n'est rien pour eux il serait temps dans cette nouvelle ère des plateformes décentralisées qu'il y ait une autonomie réelle.

They want a piece of the pie. It ain't possible to compliance with the in-app purchase scheme, since they don't have a lightning implementation to get their cut. At least they should understand that technology behind Damus and lightning network. #[1]

This is so crappy. I’m sorry.

Will always support you, Damus devs, and Nostr devs in general as y’all try to empower others.

💜

C'est fou leurs règles qu'en sera t-il pour Améthyste !?

This should make good content for your Oslo Freedom Forum talk, as it demonstrates how much risk is inherent in ALL centralized systems - and why #Nostr is so important.

Look forward to it Will!

Is there anything we can do to help?

#Bitcoin and #Nostr were born to be attacked.

Nothing can stop free open-source permissionless protocol.

Every attack makes #Bitcoin and #Nostr stronger.

🧡💜

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FYI everyone there are other clients on iOS shhhh keep it a secret from them……. #nostrmo

I find it amazingly fast. Unbelievable!

But I can't use the search function and couldn't mention guys.

Any help from @Dashu?

Time for the web client.

Not surprised but really just sad that you have to take out the best feature and something you worked hard to design and implement. All because of rent-seeking bullshit smh

Is there any solution for Apple users?

Move away from 🍏? 😬

Just buy an android . You'll never go back!

They can't let go, they feel loyal to the brand 🤦

🤣

No, I came from Android, because I’ve always had problems with it.

But I will give it another try …

if y'all want a de-googled pixel phone ready to go (GrapheneOS or CalyxOS) check out https://ronindojo.io/en/roninmobile

or get yourself a google pixel and flash the OS yourself, it's not hard i swear

your corporate overlords are only going to get more restrictive from here

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This is utter horseshit. We are all behind you. We’ll continue to support you wherever this may lead. Keep fighting the good fight, brotha.

Apple is so fucking bullshit

I actually like most of what apple does, but the App Store review team for whatever reason seems to be run by nazis

N'irions pas jusque là

I've never owned Apples. Thank god.

Fight it! I’m pretty sure the person reviewing the app must be confused about zaps and Nostr. The 3.1.1 rule should not apply here.

Maybe I need to buy an android phone 🤬

I don't even understand how people still buy and use apple. Android is clearly superior 😤

Moi aussi depuis son Apple 1 et 2, il a fallu des années pour que l'EU arrive à lui faire des câbles standards pas spécialement Apple la dernière *loi influencer du 10 Juin 2023+ va elle aussi créer son effet qui se serait catastrophique pour les personnes et les plateformes décentralisées ou non des *empêcheurs de tourner en rond= dégoûtée par cette notion de *Liberté* contrôlée

La frime pour certains

Why not just copy Twitters General Tipping policy and call it a day? You can setup Strike lightning on Twitter and keep 100%. There is a tax disclaimer to save face, but there are probably reasonable options.

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Something must be done. This feels like a hill to die on.

So I wonder...will this extend to nostr:npub1plstrz6dhu8q4fq0e4rjpxe2fxe5x87y2w6xpm70gh9qh5tt66kqkgkx8j as well?

What will be the solution? Just side load the app?

We live in wild times.

not in the US you won't - Some will only allow EU to do that!

En fait dans l'UE le pays qui crée de plus en plus des lois les plus liberticides c'est la France , au cours des 35 derrières années elles deviennent quasiment européennes puis infine internationales MICA, DSA, RGPD ..la dernière Loi Influencer et actuellement ça fonctionne très bien parce que la quasi-totalité des Etats à travers sont endettés, vivent à crédit pour leur fonctionnement ils ont besoin de rechercher ds niches et de suivre toute sorte de revenu à taxer

Vous allez voir chez Google ils vont faire pareils jusqu'à ce que le Bitcoin soit enfin d'usage à travers le Monde

F*ck the f*cking f*ckers!

We need a decentralised AppStore. Done with all these monopolies…

Je l'ai répété plus d'une fois, travailler sur la vraie autonomie des apps si l'on concoit une décentralisation totale

Apple ngmi

Greed...

7 péchés capitaux à en y regarder de plus près

Fuck Apple. To be honest, I'm surprised this lasted as long as it did. Damus will need a PWA until Apple changes their ways.

Remove iPhone from your life

Damnit we were so close to convincing you 😂

That would never happen my dude 😂 I'm Android all the way. Besides, it's open source.

Apple can go straight to hell with their centralized bullshit!

Demain je parie vous vous vous rendrez compte que c'est pareil chez Google

It can't because I don't download amethyst through the app store. And I get the latest updates when available using obatanium

PWA could be not a solution?

F apple 💩

“Best regards”

How many Damus users can spam Apple?

You know that you’re doing something right AND dangerous to the status quo when they start banning you!

To be honest, kinda taken back you’re surprised at all. This is what Apple always does.

Absolument

Zaps are not being conducted over their platform. They are being conducted over your ISP and Nistr platform.

This is why you buy Android, Use Linux on your PC. Freedom and open source 😍

To be honest, I knew this would happen. 🙄

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What horseshit!

Any app with an input box that publishes somewhere *could* be used to sell digital content.

yup

Bogus

Disappointed but not surprised. Sounds like you could keep profile tips and disable them on posts?

Noone zapped when they were only on profiles

Maybe the zap button could open the profile page in a modal or something

Fight those fuckwits

Nostr was made to circumvent censorship. Apple is just sending you a reminder you should also take care of that.

If one day governments wants to censorship, they will just ask Google and Apple to do that.

They might even ask them to do it on their browsers, even Firefox, to block a site

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Is this also the case for Plebstr nostr:npub1atc6zwsr9nnyn0rq72g2qqznr3x4yhm20g50wsexjukygwrg9atqh0lssy?

Calling #[2]​‘s marketplace. How can we support apps and make them work inside the Nostr ecosystem? Side load them as webapps or something? At least until we find a suitable repository replacement.

I don’t understand the technical differences in being able to load apps directly from websites on MacOS, but not on iOS.

Sorry to see this nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s. Reading the message it’s like full of BS and really pissed me off…

Can’t we show that Damus still isn’t the one sending the money, but is just asking another app to send money?

比特币本质上是一串信息流,美国联邦宪法第一修正案规定美国公民都享有言论自由。

苹果公司禁止Sats信息流传播的行为违宪。

Apple would have an easier time mining their own bitcoin instead of taxing you. Tap tap, next zap, fuck all opps #nostr #damus

I haven't been an Apple user for over a decade after they butchered Final Cut and when jailbreaking got a lot more difficult - switched from iPhone and Mac at the time and was more than happy to never look back. Looks like they're back to their old tricks.

Could this be the start of mass Bitcoin app takedowns? Maybe. At least on Android you can sideload or use fdroid. Might be a lot more Android users coming over in the next couple years if this nonsense keeps happening.

I sincerely hope a big win of some kind can come from this. Not sure what that looks like, but I have faith in nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s's passion and drive!

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Freedom and Apple unfortunately can’t be in the same sentence

nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s This seems to have been triggered (perhaps just coincidence) by the OnlyZaps feature. Do you believe that is the feature they are asking to be removed or do you think they are asking for you to remove the entire ability to Zap.

I have no idea. They seem to be implying the tip (zap) feature in general is unacceptable

Please talk it through with them Will.

They seem to specify where tips are connected to receiving digital content.

But I don’t really follow that, because you already received the content and all the content here is open source!

There are no paywalls anywhere in Damus.

So the zap and the receiving of content not really connected?

Logic and reason is never involved in app the review process. Apparently this happening between app reviews is pretty rare as far as I am told.

We love you will!!!!

is only fear what they can't control

The content is already available before you can zap it

Exactly, nothing is paywalled so I’m not sure how zaps are connected to receiving any content?

All content is available to everyone all the time, irrespective of any zaps.

Could zaps be temporally disabled until 3rd party AppStores officially come to iOS?

Are 3rd party app stores ever gonna come to ios? Im doubtful.

They have to. Last I read Apple is being forced by EU to add USB-C to all devices and also allow users to make the choice to install 3rd Party AppStores if they want to.

You should argue this would be like removing a web browser from the App Store because the web can be used to sell things not directly through the Apple Store.

RIGHT???

Or eBay. OfferUp. Facebook. Mercari. Alibaba. Amazon. LetGo.

You should also argue that your app doesn’t make any payments, it literally **sends a link** to a wallet app.

If you want to help sue over it I have a lawyer friend who might be up for that. Cypherpunks sured the Feds. Could be fun 🤣

🍿🍿🍿🍿

LFG!

Sue sue sue.

Would I still be able to use the Damus app on my phone?

Here is my suggestion:

Create a customized version without the zaps feature and keep it on App store. People who want to evade censorship may still use it.

Publish the full version on damus homepage so that experienced bitcoin users can side-load it.

You can't side load apps on iPhone can you??

I'm not an Apple user but I'm sure you can at least do that in developer mode.

😢

The monopoly lives on. Corporate tech is absolute garbage.

I was zapped for the first time few days ago for helping a user fix his issue with the Strike app and his bank account, an issue that I also had before. It was the equivalent to $1 but THE FEELING I got that I was paid for helping a specific person and not a corporation (which is what my fiat work “does”) was SO POWERFUL that I can understand this was going to be fought by corporations.

#[1]​​ has demonstrated that one person only can replace all the useless non-sense bullshit jobs that corporations create just because they have so much money they need to spend.

This is just the beginning of a new era, “then they fight you” is definitely here.

WE ARE GOING TO WIN!

So, don't get your apps from the apps store. And maybe don't restrict yourself to a centralized platform such as Apple.

If you use electronics controlled by others, it's only a matter of time before they use it to control you. Bitcoiners need to stop reacting to things like this and act ahead of time. Use Graphene.

So does Apple confirm that it considers BTC as a valid payment medium? Does Apple accept BTC over lightning? What’s it’s address?Is it possible to arrange for anyone explicitly using Damus app to sell digital content over Nostr to pay the apple tax in sats to Apple? (Whether one thinks the tax is fair or not).

Nice App btw.

You don't own that fancy new iPhone you bought, Apple does along with various governments. It works for them, not you.

I’m surprised they even allowed zaps in the first place. This sucks. First Twitter, then Reddit, now this 😢

PWA is the only way to go at this point.

I don’t understand how crypto wallets like #[2]​ are exempt from this rule.

#[2]

That’s horrible!

Hense…. #fuckappl

#damusstrong

#willstrong

#jb55strong

This is 100% not ok, Apple should not have this power against creators and developers.

#[2]​ isn’t that sad?

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hi nostr:npub1tsgw6pncspg4d5u778hk63s3pls70evs4czfsmx0fzap9xwt203qtkhtk4 can you help? xD

Hi @38c3c53e, I'd be happy to help! What do you need assistance with?

During the height of the covid hysteria Apple pulled this move on Parler, one of the places where you could get uncensored information and that was gaining traction

They want their cut. Fuck’em, remove zaps and put a QR code up instead.

just do a 30% split to their lightning node 😑

How can we help? 🙄

Wait, I thought #bitcoin wasn't money

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What of electronic content would be buying the users to time to generate content and then use that to get zapping for their entertainment?!

🤔

Was curious about this one too.

See, neither the government nor fruity loops can object to creating value.

🤔

shame

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I think it's high time for an open Apple clone that runs iOS but hooked up to your own backend services including app store. Break people out of this prison. People should be able to run anything they want on their purchased phones. It should be developed in a country Apple doesn't have legal capabilities in... like maybe Iran.

Why isn’t this seen like Venmo? You aren’t buying anything. Just sending some value. Venmo and PayPal are fine. Zaps are the same.

Make Damus downloadable webapp like this one. By passing Apple review

https://youtube.com/watch?v=no2S_0oP25Q&feature=share9

"Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from their freedom, has died.

As Chicago Mayor Harold Washington said of the corrupt former Mayor Daley, "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." Nobody deserves to have to die - not Jobs, not Mr. Bill, not even people guilty of bigger evils than theirs. But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing.

Unfortunately, that influence continues despite his absence. We can only hope his successors, as they attempt to carry on his legacy, will be less effective."

https://stallman.org/archives/2011-jul-oct.html#06_October_2011_%28Steve_Jobs%29

#[1]​ - sorry to hear. As #[2]​ often says - this is a reflection/perfect example of rent seeking behaviour, and value extraction, as opposed to genuinely creating value (what you are so nobly doing with Damus).

Keep fighting the good fight, we will win in the end 🙌🚀

What the hell??? 🤔 Why the war on content creators? #creatoreconomy has arrived. 😈

Slightly unpopular opinion but the web is and always will be the only place to resist the extra layers of sensorship from companies ( DNS not included ofcourse ). Thank you guys for this client hope to see a web version of it! 🔥

Yikes ….I just set up Damus on my iPad …

It's Apple. I hate them. (I was an Apple user from 2006 to 2021.)

Apple and Nintendo have exactly one thing in common: If it doesn't profit them, it shall be gone. If they can't monetize it, it must be banned.

I really hoped Damus would stay on iOS but... Hey, EU might have their way and Damus can be one of the best sideloading apps.

It is the Apple dictatorship. If we are here, in Nostr, it is because we love democracy and freedom ⚡

can you build for android?

We have an android version we just need to fix one bug before we release it

LFG

There’s only one bug 🐛? Suspicious… lol

Fiat culture. Smh.