I hope someday reposts and zaps completely replace the need for “likes”/🤙🏼.
Reposts and zaps are true value exchange…and have a real cost: your reputation or money.
Likes are superficial and exist only to inform an algorithm.
Relevance algorithms have their place, but they are best informed by a truly costly action.
Agreed
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Liked 😂🤙
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There is a feature request for that!
Can’t zap you right now, or I’d do that instead of the shaka.
I agree, if you also agree please don’t like this post, just zap me.
I would zap this but WoS appears to be struggling still atm so a repost it is 😂
yeah same here🤣🤣
Zaps over 🤙
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I failed.
Mathematically, 🤙 is for reacting when the degree of zap worthiness is between 0 and 1, the extremities are excluded
Too bad WoS isn't working to zap you 😄
Did your thoughts in regards to gaming that costly signal change in the last couple of days/weeks? I remember you having some concerns, as some people have a lot of money and some don't. Still a concern or did hands-on zap experience change that?
Never had concerns I’m aware of! I’ve always hated like. Originally for Twitter it was favorite, and used more as a bookmark.
Def can be gamed, but if you can turn off algo or choose/make one…all good.
Curious about this, as while I have been having a lot of fun with zaps, I have some niggles about that very question.. surely they can be gamed intentionally, and/or simply skewed by relative wealth and ability to zap more often/higher amounts..
and also do zaps reflect any truer 'value' of a post than 'likes', in that humans like leaders and popular ppl and might zap content to be 'seen' by a those ppl or by others etc
Also, depending on the relays connected and the time of day/night in places with more internet service, some posts will be seen far more than others leading to them statistically getting more zaps..
Haven't dived far down with these thoughts, just been noticing them bubbling up the past few days..
Can't help but wonder how it would work/feel to hide like count/zap count/zap amount .. I guess we did have that for the first few days in December before the real migration started, and I remember liking it, though def felt odd after being programmed for so long to look at Like count to 'validate' a tweets 'value' or at least evaluate the amount of 'interest' in it..
Love to hear others' thoughts on all this 💜
I am finding that I still have a place for likes. For me:
Reposts are for content that I think other people will find interesting. I also use it to expose other people to people who I follow and who I believe create content of value.
Zaps are for people who are creating content that makes me laugh, think, or inspire me. This could be anything.
Likes are for a picture of a good steak or someone enjoying time with their kids, or maybe a landscape photo, etc.
this is what i love about nostr - I think I have asked countless times many things directly to Jack and they got lost in the Twitterverse - now little old me has jack following me and i have been able to converse. Much signal, low noise, gotta love nostr!
#[2] yeah likes were always the cheap way of showing appreciation.
What WOULD be nice if zaps worked as the telegram bot did (lnTxBot (now retired) - meaning that you could zap a user who has no idea what lightning is and that those sats would be held for him until he registered a lightning address - hopefully the user wouldn't even see all of this, all he needs to know is "sats have been sent your way, click here to get them"
True — altho keep in mind even reputation of money hold subject priority in people’s lives, i.e. subject value
Liked this post.
Commenting now to balance out the irony.
Would zap you now, but a bit too cumbersome. Will be amazing when zapping is as easy as liking.
Indeed
Yeah agree if some of these clients (amethyst) would allow us to adjust our default zap amounts I would use it more often. Until then i have to drill into their profile and tip them.
I really hope for the same
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Zapped & reposted
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I think that a repost without a comment often is only low effort content, not different from a like. It weights on reputation only for high profile accounts.
Zaps and comments are the real PoW, so have value.
This. Imagine what it would look like with constant reposts of the same posts. People would stop reposting because it would turn into spam.
Better as quote repost for sure
💯💯
Yes. In fact I prefer to distinguish reposts and mentions.
Just yesterday I was discussing this on the Nostr group, the protocol situation is not clear after that nip-18 (kind 6, plain repost) has been suppressed.
It is an important matter, thank you for raising it!
I've unfollowed people who repost too much, it's like they add their timeline to mine. Spam. People who put in valuable posts, but then comes a wave of other stuff. It gets annoying quickly, no matter how good the stuff is.🧐
Mention is way more interesting, the reposter has to put in more effort than just a click.
Reposted!
What about a feature allowing users to set a price for comments if they wish. It would be helpful for users like you with a lot of followers. Depending on your follower count, set a sufficiently high enough cost to comment and only people who believe they have something truly important to add to the conversation would comment.
It would cut down on most of the low value/low information comments and let you engage with meaningful comments.
If I'm not wrong #[4] said some days ago that nip-57 can enable this
Likes are perhaps the social networking accepted default for the most traditional form of social media. That'll change with nostr
That’d definitely change the rate at which I “like” something to be closer to my repost rate.
🎯🎯🎯
Why wasnt it implemented for twitter? Instead we got the scammy eth nfts...
Amanda Wolf, Executive Assistant at Nostr concurs.
PS. I'm Jack's lack of attention
Big facts
Sheepel….
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Zap> repost> reply> like, right? #[1]
If zaps were faster we could do this now.
They will get faster. Some wallets will be nostr clients and vice versa.
In the meantime, it’d be good to have a structure to be able to call the wallet up and have a return path back to nostr client.
Sats on the way HODL 🙏🏼
Zaps will be as fast as they are on StackerNews where you just click once and 10 sats are sent (or long press for more) perhaps with clients holding small custodial balance.
Agreed.
A new way of doing things. 🤙
Should I even like this now or would that you proof that I’m not yet used to nostr?
How do we solve the onboarding/onramp of folks new to the ecosystem? They’ll need to experience it to “get it”.
💯
Couldn’t agree more
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I mostly agree with this, the only counter that comes to mind: those who maybe can’t afford to express their support for a piece of content.
Repost. Even 1 sat works tho.
so i’m not the only one who sees it kinda aporophobic 💀
That was my initial line of thinking, but he’s right in saying that amplifying the content is a value add allowing someone to participate in support without even having to spend a sat. I prefer sharing over a like. Did you still feel this way after hearing this point?
not quite. i still think people should be allowed to make decisions (to support or not to support) on their own – or maybe i still childishly believe in things like radiohead’s “in rainbows” experiment.
at least i can tell for myself, i’m fine with some likes/reposts/replies to my posts and zero sats coming from it
They still can
… by not interacting – even they want to – because they have no sats?
Interact with repost or comment/reply
I’m fine with it also, but did feel satisfied with the counter of amplifying if one can’t afford. They giving the content more visibility you’re increasing the impact of the content you appreciate while opening it up to compensation from others in your network. That’s a money-free value add IMO
so, we both agreed that having a free alternative for those who would like to but can’t afford to support is a good thing – that’s nice 💞
i totally paid to get the cd. :)
They can repost or comment for free
Much better engagement this way and I’m loving the add free environment
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But sometimes I liked a content, but I don't want to comment or share. in this case, removing the 'like' button would be detrimental to the creator of the content. Right?
I think existing social media structures have taught us that a passive nod is support, however, in real terms, it is not. Especially when we are increasingly living in a society that empowers people who output content to earn money for their effort. If you enjoyed it but don’t want to share it or affirm it with words OR shoot them a sat, you probably didn’t really enjoy it that much.
It makes sense. I liked it, but not a lot. So would you just view the post? I believe it is important to encourage the production of content. At least if we want this network to have a large scale.
That makes sense.
and instead of likes count - show the amount of zapped sats (subject to user's privacy settings). Probably, can be done even without introducing new NIP
I'm hoping that we will soon see clients which automatically "zap" a configurable amount with every like.
✅ Zap’s the standard ⚡️
I think comments, reposts & zaps are fine. We can remove likes.
Or make likes minizaps ~5 sats or something small
Please do. People will be more inclined to zap if there is no like. Lightning will explode.
I’d either remove likes, or leave them as they are but with a fixed/default 21 sat zap.
I think I’d prefer personally to remove them in favour of just having the ⚡️ zap.
I think that a quick way to confirm and approve a *reply* without adding another "agree/ok/got it" reply can be useful to clean up the discussions.
So we could reposition the like as a generic "ok". I think that today it is often already used with this meaning.
Mostly agree. Reposts being used as a show of appreciation will bog down feeds tho. I've seen this post 10x on my feed already.
Zap> repost> reply> like, do you think so?
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Agreed
I feel like it’s going to be a very big shift in mindset/attitude. We’re so accustomed to things being free. Spending money to most average folk is mentally “painful”. They just don’t want to do it.
They don’t have to
#[3] I posted the link to the feature request to turn off likes
Zap only client... lets do it
⚡️🤙
Why did Twitter ever change from RT only?
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My first thoughts about stuff like this is often to wonder about people (like myself) who have limited means. But, yes, anyone can afford 1 sat!
I think jack is on to something that i think about a lot too. Reposts & zaps would definitely increase signal & reduce noise. Sincerity & thoughtfulness seem like a lost art, and reposting & zapping would help folks think more about what they are paying attention to.
☀️⛈💜🌿🌊🫧💖
…make our world more meaningful…
There should be a sats counter, same as likes counter
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I actually semi disagree with this.
Likes -
Don't clutter your own post feed and are typically separate
It's normal in a social setting to be able to give a nod of approval with out being a full speaker or advocate.
Platforms without likes/reviews are typically less used. It helps in forming consensus in a casual way.
This is impressive, I must say.
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Likes are useful for small-medium sized accounts that don't receive a lot of engagement.
Posting a lot of small talk is not everyone's cup of tea, plus it clutters a feed with noise. Likes is a more efficient way of showing non-verbal agreement.
Artists posting art can get a general idea of how their followers like different types of artwork by looking at the differential in likes. It's a feedback mechanism.
Small-medium accounts may not receive much engagement so likes are a useful indicator in finding others of similar disposition. Seeing the same name/avatar repeatedly helps connect names with people.
Just tried to tip/zap you but it gave me an error. Looks like there might be something wrong with your lnurl.
Thanks for the feedback. It seems there are some issues with zaps across different clients and wallets. I have tried zapping myself and it works fine from the Blixt wallet using Amethyst client. Tips seem to be working as well.
That’s very true
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It’s refreshing that Nostr, doesn't promote posts based on their popularity. Instead, it the emphasis is on fostering meaningful conversations and authentic interactions. This speaks to the heart of what communication is all about: connecting with others in a genuine way. It's not just about broadcasting our thoughts or gaining followers, but about being fully present and in the moment. In a world that can sometimes feel disconnected and impersonal, Nostr is a glimmer of hope and a reminder that human connection is still possible in the digital age.
But what is displayed in your feed is not a properly of Nostr but it is from Nostr clients. I think it’ll depend and Evolve over time with some clients adding algorithms to prioritize info.. let’s see where it all lands
Agree. I hope they take note of what is happening organically and go in that direction instead of developing algos that bring out the worst in people
The lack of algos to this point is a result of limited dev resources as I see it. Resource constraints means that its early for most clients to provide sorting but any kind but chronological.
The differentiator to cagedbird is the low noise/signal ratio in sort via zap amounts or zap counts.
⚡️ sort is coming. Soon ™️ .
I definitely agree, I just like what is happening naturally here. Ultimately, I’ll choose whatever client prioritizes connection over vanity. It’s giving me early aol chat room nostalgia, when are your pals are online at the same time, except this is better
I totally agree.
Hi Fox it's Wolf, Amanda Wolf, Executive Assistant at Nostr 😉
I want to be a part of the community but I feel too dumb to speak, everyone here is so damn smart. I don't understand all the technical stuff. Just a simple bitcoin maxi driving a taxi
I feel you! But you are free to share anything you’d like here. It doesn’t have to be about bitcoin. Where do you drive your taxi?
dev tools
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In the words of Tim Berners-Lee:
“So do you think the Web is basically been a good idea or a bad one? (…)
So what is made of the Web is up to us. You, me, and everyone else.
Here is my hope.
The Web is a tool for communicating.
With the Web, you can find out what other people mean. You can find out where they are coming from.
The Web can help people understand each other.
Think about most of the bad things that have happened between people in your life. Maybe most of them come down to one person not understanding another. Even wars.
Let's use the web to create neat new exciting things.
Let's use the Web to help people understand each other.”
Good take #[0]
Interesting, never thought about that. What about to follow someone?
Can't people just zap themselves? I don't think it's the best approach but I agree interactions should be costly, what about Proof of Work?
Yes, auto-zapping, also known as fapping.
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Zaps are great, but they’re just Likes with a scale. You’re theoretically introducing a situation where a 10 sat zap from someone who is not wealthy is seen as less valuable than a 5000 sat zap from someone else.
Likes have utility. They’re a way of saying “I read this, and thank you for posting it” Or maybe I’m just using them incorrectly.
Lol 🤙
I use likes on Twitter to boost my mood. I only like things that uplift me so if I’m feeling down I’ll go through my likes for a laugh or to look at cute animals. So, likes aren’t completely superficial if you use them to your advantage.
Smart
"Likes" is a way to save posts to be reviewed later.
Some kind of bookmarks because there is no other way at this time.
Can’t read this cause every time someone posts Damus sends me back to the top 😫
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It would be cool if a “Like” always auto deducts 1 sat. Zaps can still be customized to whatever the person wants.
Devil’s advocate: Zaps are asymmetric for rich vs poor. For some the value of a zap would be high, for others neglible. For wealthy or high-follower accts (which is somewhat correlated), reputational cost of liking is far higher than cost of zapping.
Yes, but don’t likes and follows also come with reputation risk?
I think simply having the functionality is sufficient. The big thing is, it’s freedom. It’s a public square. AND, it’s a free market place. While I agree the ZAPing in support of ideas helps Bitcoin adoption, the real power lies in the combination of freedom of speech and freedom to exchange value and property.
I think we have to reach critical mass on nip-57 first
People are taking notice of your post.
Added to the https://member.cash/hot feed
Let us take a moment and pour a forty out for those who over the years have received blowback (deserved or not) for their social likes - whether a common woman or man, a celebrity, or a politician.
I liked this article. Then I "liked" it. Then, realizing what I had done, I zapped it!
How does someone Zap for a specific post? So author knows sats are for specific content
May I aks, what is “zaps”? Sorry a newbie’s here.
I hereby declare that once zapping is working across the entire nostr universe - wallets and clients all implementing it - I will fully replace my "likes" with zaps.
You can tip all day, but it should always be free to like. Otherwise, the responses will be like: "trust me bro, I like it, but I'm now broke." 😆
Pay-to-reply would be more effective in the sense you proposed.
You can like anything in real life for free, but also in real life a lawyer or a hooker will charge you by the hour. It's all about the work and utility.
Pay-to-like removes a feedback loop that we miss in real social interactions. You could call that feedback loop an "algorithm". Imagine seeing a comedian, but now you have to pay to laugh. 😆
You could also have to be paid to like. 🤭
Likes show attention and acknowledgment in a more subtle and private way. Not all likes are mindless. Some people might feel too shy to comment or repost but they still want to connect with the person who is posting. And for a lot of people, receiving a like allows them to feel “seen” and connected too.
Zapping is cool and it also immediately turns an exchange into a transaction. That’s not what I want. Unclear if that’s what you want.
Same. Paul Itoi’s work on this within Sphinx felt like a way to encourage this.
I’ll risk my reputation to repost this excellent insight.
I’ve artificially informed an algorithm by liking your post…
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This thread is very buggy
I don’t give people money every time i say thank you. Nor do I say thank you, sometimes it’s just a wink or a nod
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DeepL訳
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いつかリポストやザップが「いいね！」の必要性に完全に取って代わることを願っています/🤙🏼。
リポストとザップは真の価値交換です...そして、あなたの評判やお金という本当の代償を伴います。
いいね！」は表面的なもので、アルゴリズムに情報を提供するためだけに存在します。
関連性のあるアルゴリズムは、その場所を持っていますが、彼らは本当にコストのかかる行動によって最も良い情報を得ることができます。
Can start today if we like. We’re literally building that future now.
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Amazing.
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なのでジャックが希望を持って書いているこのポスト
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もあらたな苦を生み出す危険性をはらんでいて，サトシ（＝ビットコイン）を介してインフルエンサーが信者から金を吸い上げる構造が完成する未来が透けて見える．
Hurrah for the 1 sat like zap!🤙
snortでリアクションをオフにしましょう。各クライアントのリアクション設定がデフォルトでオフだといいと思います⚡
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#[0] spitting 🔥
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Happy to change it right now
He's right. Likes seem redundant now. Too many options as well.
Also, it's likely only a matter of time before bots would swarm the "likes" if it had signifigance in terms of an algorithm.
Thank you for articulating that, from experience it contributes to a higher quality interaction, less popcorn, more protein, as it were.
This is the way.
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I would agree with that.
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Should engagement cost sats?? Looking into the future, each sat could value 1 cent. If this gets adopted across all Nostr apps the cost will add up over a month. Think out folks outside of the US , will they be able to afford to spend 1 cent per engagement?? I also think ethically voicing opinion should not cost money.
sounds like a good idea
Jack希望用repost 和 zap 取代like，因为这两个操作是价值交换，有声誉和金钱成本。
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对于写作者来说，repost 和zap 是强反馈，like 是弱反馈。如果本来我写几句口水话，还能得个赞，现在什么反馈都没了。不知道我会努力写作更精彩内容，还是失去写作动力。我觉的倒可以在一个版本里去试试，实际测试一下用户真实反馈。
#ValueForBehavior
尽管很难，但我知道Jack必然会走出第一步的。
这个消息让我看到了Nostr协议生态即将开始加速进化了。
未来这里的社交图谱和用户数据会非常非常值钱。
Web2.0的末日审判要来了。
拭目以待。
#ValueForBehavior
GO GO GO
Proof of work in action
Why should there be stakes for every interaction? There's enough of that in the offline world, that it feels appropriate that at least online simple & undecorated actions matter enough to maybe have broader consequences. One can acknowledge & appreciate without having to pass value judgements on one's reputation or wallet 👀
And there are certainly occassions where it's practically offensive to zap/repost. Like when someone shared a pic of their kid playing or their grandma? Zapping seems absurd(to me at least) & reposting would be trespassing on their privacy. Replying is an option but Like is just a shortcut for avoiding such a quagmire of "Nice"/"Great" replies 🤷♀️ Maybe there will be a need for unzappable posts ? 😬
Previously I thought having multiple reaction buttons would be great. Like Facebook. But now I think Zap nand Repost would be better. Also, I think the option of reposting with a quote is necessary. Like the Twitter's Quote Tweet option. I don't know if it's already available but I can't find the option of reposting with my own quote with the clients I am using. If I had that option, I would surely repost this post with this comment as my Quote.
📦❤️⛓
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POreputation AND POmoney HAHAA
Your reputation or money.
#ValueForBehavior
Thank you, Jack.
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you're full of new stuff now you're free from that other place. good for you
Zap smaller amounts (just a few sats) but more often. I kinda like the idea:
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I added a feature request toggle to turn off 🤙 in damus: https://github.com/damus-io/damus/issues/645
it is really what i wanna say! Reputation or money
💬for chat 交流🔄for broadcast广播❤️for collect收藏⚡️for encourage鼓励。🐰ᥬ[🐕]᭄🌿
Can’t say I disagree, but it’d increase the gap between ppl from 1st world countries and others in the means of interaction freedom.
I always have in my mind while I zap because of the surreal inflation rates we have in the Turkey. (Currently 121.62%)
pv 🤙 What's your take on likes, tips, zaps, replies, and other signs of engagement?
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⚡True 🧡
zaply - just zaps and replies
QuotePosts are good too
But people repost for too many different reasons for you to gain any reputation from them
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I'm afraid that the establishment will create/hire bots to prop up their content by "zapping" a lot to themselves. #[2] #[3] #[4]
In which case, they will have to buy #bitcoin. Thereby, driving the value of #bitcoin up, which, in turn, would destroy their establishment.
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I don't think zaps are going to replace likes, unless you're also going to filter zaps by your web of trust. Otherwise it's easy to boost your content with fake zaps.
Zaps are useful between the sender and receiver, but not that much as information for others.
I agree, zap dynamic does not exist outside of social media dynamics, parasocial dynamics, and often signal nothing of value outside of the two parties even.
Agree
also, among friends, sending money back and forth is awkward. friendship transcends money unless you’re splitting the bill at dinner
I mean..... you can zap yourself. The poster is the only one with the real signal.
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I agree. This is also along the lines of what @monlovesmango used to say with Likes and why they didn't want to implement them on Astral.ninja.
Maybe we try it for the rest of the week and see how it goes? #OnlyZaps
I lean toward disagreeing with this. I think there is still a place for the 'like' – it is distinctive in its own right (wrong as it may often seem and do). In my mind, our actions in this digital social sphere map as thus…
'reply' furthers discourse/dialogue (cost: time)
'repost' communicates agreement/solidarity (cost: reputation)
'like' signals approval/consent (cost: none)
'zap' identifies/recognizes value (cost: money)
Our correspondence, kinship, and connection (whether IRL or not), need not always cost. We ought leave some space for the informality.
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I just liked this, like a dumbass.
I wonder if Nostr is susceptible to likejacking :)
Its a shaka, but there is no need on Nostr for it really other than for sites like nostr.band, which doesn’t track reposts/zaps.
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True. Likes impose such low costs it’s not really a big factor.
They inform about positiv / negative attitude towards content though. Ratio comment / likes etc. That’s their most useful function to me personally
I wrote an article about that in 2015 "Why bitcoin should replace the like button -
Micropayments could be a way to make content creation on the internet valuable." https://medium.com/@moritzfelipe/why-bitcoin-should-replace-the-like-button-4fe1e1d38e7a
sometimes we 'like' a post but we don't want other people to know that we liked it. and sometimes we 'like' a post not so much as to pay to show our like.
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Agred, now that we have Zaps on Nostr, I'm pretty sure no client should be giving notifications when someone likes a post.
Excited that we can finally move past the "like" paradigm from Facebook/Twitter/etc. and build something unique thanks to Bitcoin!
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Thus the reason for me to stop procrastinating and get started on Lightning.
Yes! Likes are obsolete. A necessary solution at the time because micro-payments weren't possible (yet), but now they simply bring more noise and attack vectors. Zaps are the way forward.
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Reposts and zaps ⚡️put skin back in the game.
👀
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stupid as likes are great, likes create a feed of all your favorite content, create a point of crossover with others
not true. likes do not only inform an algorithm.
likes inform mainly the poster about a reaction of others . you still think within your corporate bubble, no one wants the same system. some people woke up and they want a completely different, a human experience
what's zap?
oops! 😁
Right.
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To that end, it would be nice to see client implementations simply omit the "heart" option completely from inception, and work to make zap icon the default
If you believe in something, or say something, be willing to sign your name to it. I learned that from you, YOU KNOW WHO. Wakanda forever.
いつかリポストやザップが「いいね！」の必要性に完全に取って代わることを願っています/🤙🏼。
リポストとザップは真の価値交換です...そして、あなたの評判やお金という本当の代償を伴います。
いいね！」は表面的なもので、アルゴリズムに情報を提供するためだけに存在します。
関連性のあるアルゴリズムは、その場所を持っていますが、彼らは本当にコストのかかる行動によって最も良い情報を得ることができます。
【DeepL翻訳】
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Likes/upvotes are one of the major problems with social media. They incentivize people to not say what they think, but what they (subconsciously) think will get them the most likes (endorphins). It creates a hive-mind mentality where all social interactions degenerate towards the lowest common denominator.
Zaps are even worse, since in addition to dopamine, people are also being incentivized with actual money. It's the worst aspect of social media, but on steroids.
Zaps (public display of amt sent/received) are dangerous and a dream-come-true for scammers. Because wash-zaps are easy, 3rd party cannot detect fake zaps from real.
Likes are superficial, but nostr is an open protocol and they can mean anything.
For example, a like can trigger a Shadowy LN Tip: https://oak-node.net/doc/trunk/doc/ons/ons-3.md
In this case, they mean real hard sats, visible only be sender and receiver. No "wash-sending" possible. No algo to influence. No vanity games.
#OnlyZaps
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It’s nice to not be limited… “likes” can be valuable when people don’t have time for whatever reason to zap or can’t zap and don’t want to muddy their feed with other peoples’ posts, but they still want to acknowledge the person who posted…. There is value in being acknowledged… I never used Twitter so I don’t have the reposting mentality and on Nostr, I only use it when I think the post is REALLY interesting to me…
🫶💜🤙🧡👊🙌🫂
Likes are the "thoughts and prayers" of the Internet.
Incentive value exchanges🔥
This man is right
Jack,
Replying to someone’s message also provides a value transfer as time is taken to reply to that message. That has a value proposition as well!
It doesn't matter if someone "likes" my own writing or not. Repost too. Zap is fun for me anyway. It has a monthly budget. I'm not investing.
Being able to write gives me enough satisfaction already.
But I'm happy to "like" people's posts. As respect for their work. It's like telling them, "I saw you. You're not alone."
I also respect the opinion of those who do not want this.
But I can't see who is hiding it in Amethyst.
I guess you get notifications even in onlyzap mode.
I am sorry about that.
"It's like telling them I saw you. You're not alone".
That matters. Being able to communicate in that "form" is a reaction. Maybe this isn't black or white? :)
We don't know who needs what. We don't have to know either.
Maybe what they need at that moment is to be seen. Maybe not. : )
We can carry some things like the postman. Not knowing what's inside.
It's kind of like zapathon. Very nice for me. I'm reading the global. And I'm distributing "likes". Sometimes hugs :))
Agree 💯
Jackはこう言ってるので、彼の理想はlikeなしのrepost、zapのみなんですよね。
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Wow, so this is about either your reputation or money???
Shame as I thought this was all about fun.
You can do whatever you want! A lot of people here enjoy value for value interaction models but by no means do you have to participate.
proof of work "likes"
Zap, like and repost (i could do without one of those buttons 💯 😆)
You were ahead of your time with this one. No surprise there
The one thing I miss is a semblance of of one-person one-vote. But with modern bots… that is probably a bygone era.
I still don’t know what a zap is… can you explain? 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Set up your lightning address in your profile. I'll zap u
I don’t have one, ok so basically is to send someone sats ?! And is called zap ? Btw which one is the best wallet for privacy ? 🙏🏼
So zapping is like.. tipping ?! I don’t have a Lightning address, BTW, Which wallet is the best for privacy concerns? 🙏🏼
I want to disagree but that’s fair, especially when it’s so scalable.
What? No! Algorithm? Why?!
Is it weird that I dont want a computer to customize my feed for me? *I* am the algorithm. I customize my own feed for me.
Likes have their value. As bookmarks or acknowledgements. Letting someone know you read their post without integrating some kind of tracker software to measure impressions or whatever.
Keep the 🤙🏻
#[4] what we’re saying
You’re reading this wrong. Likes inform an algorithm.
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Are there options to switch off aspects of algos, so people can tailor them to their own preferences?
Just got back from Hawaii, now I understand the power in the 🤙
Maybe you’re stuck in twitter mode. Likes are to tell people you like their content. How the system uses it is a different story.
No I read that right.
You read mine wrong. I dont think there should be an algorithm to inform. An algo is the source of many problems.
Turns social media into a drug.
Encourages advertisers to hack it.
Discourages 1:1 sociality (making actual friends) in place of becoming more popular.
This is also my problem with zaps. Its like paying people to be your friend? Whatever happened to the intrinsic value that relationships used to have on their own??
I agree,zaps and likes are a different thing,a like proves you have seen ir read, or find funny. Maybe it is just a comment or a meme. A zap is a note of value and a different thing. And I am pleased people enjoys so much to give. And please let is not forget the value of comments and feedback that prove we do not echo in silence. Nostr is a social network after all. I am looking forward true organic engagement and new friends.
Lets put the SOCIAL back in social media! Stop making it about freakin money.
Don't take likes away from me. As a normie, I don't care about bitcoin or zaps.
I feel that’s def still a developer perspective. Most users aren’t aware of algorithms or what feeds them. And i would suspect most users aren’t posting for value or marketing purposes. Their posts are superficial to begin with.
Yep, reposts are greatly beneficial. And zaps are def a monetary exchange of value. However so are ‘likes’…
‘Likes’ are serve multiple purposes. I see a post that I agree with but I don’t want to repost it because the content doesn’t fit the content that I put on my page. And a zap may not be the step I wanna take. But a like… yep. A like lets the poster know that I acknowledge the thought/post/note and kept it moving. The poster is now aware that his post/note was seen and ‘celebrated’. The poster now has a gauge on what their audience gravitates towards or just appreciates.
Sure you can phase them out and users will just not have that option and make adjustments. But to say it doesn’t have an equal value as zaps or reposts is a bit of an under-sight.
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Jack, I’d zap you 1000 sats for your nostr posts all day
I see the word algorithm many time 🧐
yes?
Fake account here boys
It is not a fake account, he has removed the nip05 verification, I don't know exactly why.
Just without nip05 it leads one to think that it is a fake account.
Yes, not exclusively in your note, in general it is starting to sound too many times. While it is inevitable that some app will develop it, the fundamental question is, which one will be the first? I have my bet made 😅
On the other hand, nice talking to you 💜
Any app that uses an algorithm will be one that I will very likely abandon.
I do not trust algorithms to feed me.
The same way I don’t trust AI to teach me.
Agree. When you do something, do with a proof of energy
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Is it possible to zap without confirming using Satoshi’s Wallet?
Do you have a strategy around managing fake zaps? Or zap automation? Or I’ll zap your posts 10,000 sats, if you zap mine back 10,000?
At present zaps seem like value transfer, but once abused more widely, they are not exactly a measure of value.
The debate be like:
Sats or dopamine?
Both
#zaps gives me dopamine
I am not convinced because many social networks users don’t want to actively participate. But it depends of the way you present it.
Swipe left and right could be a good solution like in TikTok.
Once the LN is fully integrated I’d love an option to hide the like and only tap zap…
Damus already has this. OnlyZaps mode
How come no one is talking about this?
There has been lots of discussion the past couple days.
People have been flaming JB for removing the ability to like ppls posts that are in OnlyZap mode even tho the recipient will never see it. So he reverted that.
This is all in Damus TestFlight.
LN is not in there, you still need to open a wallet
This may not be a bad thing, if only to remind the user of the duality of discourse / financial transaction. Lumping both into a single "thing" may yield unexpected or undesired consequences, like commercialization of thought and speech. The equivalent of clickbait.
Likes are the simplest social signal you can send. Our problem is that Big Social has bent social signals into algorithms optimized for engagement. The social signals themselves are not evil.
I think money is a worse proxy for value than simple signals like “approval” that humans have been using forever. Some people are poor and will be under-represented. Some people are rich and can send huge zaps. I’m not interested in the market value of peoples notes. I’m interested in learning from them, being entertained, keeping in touch with friends I’m not with.
Micropayments are great for many things. But let’s not build all relationships on money. Trust is where it’s at.
Liking is akin to nodding..
I can nod even if I disagree with someone. I can nod even if I don’t like what someone is saying. It’s an acknowledgement that I understand what they mean, and because it costs nothing, that’s how it should be used.
High value would correlate with zaps received, not zaps given.
Don't underestimate the amount of people stacking sats for economic reasons.
There's things I support without wanting to throw money at it.
You don’t have to b
But it doesn’t hurt, does it?
Walk a mile in my shoes as a choice is a luxury.
Indeed 😊
Given the extra dopamine release with zaps, and how we saw society change with likes, I'm not sure where we are heading in a way.
Never before social media people were all rushing to record a disaster on their cameras thinking how popular the video was going to be
February 19? 🤯 Seriously? 💗✊🏼💕🧠🏳️🌈💫
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Any concern that could increase the echo chamber effect someone who’s already susceptible to radicalization? The reason I say that is that if there’s a cost to modifying your recommendations, some people may only want to incur those costs for something they’re passionate about (which, incidentally, are often the same things that radicalize people).
Call him #Nostrdamus
Nice here is the repoost lol and some SATs
exactly this thanx
#thanx4u2
#nostriches
#plebchain
#bitcoin
#zap
امیدوارم یک روز چنین چیزی اتفاق بیوفتد💖🌹👌
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Nah likes are fine, they are also polite acknowledgements of stuff you ...well like, but don't need reposting or zapping, or sometimes even inspire a reply. Replies probably more valuable than all of these options imo.
Don't bother arguing with them.
Nostr is just seen as a vehicle to get more people to have Lightning wallets.
Like/Reaction is only for "I saw your post and here's my reaction" or "I like your post".
Replacing reactions completely by zaps sounded like you are trying to make nostr bitcoiner exclusive.
Shared this then.
Still agree with it now.
Zaps only ⚡️
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HIDE LIKE
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The guy is light years ahead of everyone
Love to see it & couldn’t agree more
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I'm sure that for some like myself likes get my dopamine flowing a little, though agree that zaps are more exciting.
Functionally, likes could also add value if you could sort a searchable nostr database by them, or incorportate into seach algo.
But I do think it would be interesting to see how a zaps and reposts only network would grow differently from one with likes.
I don't need to see the same thing reposted 100 times on my feed though
So long as I can send my 🤙 along with my zaps, I'll be happy.
Zaps are the zero emotion way of exchanging value for a post. Removing the react would turn nostr gray and dull. Not all value can be represented by sats.
For the user who wishes to conserve their sats and still send their regards, reacts are tool for them. Just like an interaction in person, you don't give someone a dollar for making you smile. The reaction is by itself the reward.
Yes! 🤩
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What about a zap button that expresses something similar to a “dislike” button? The user experience on platforms like YouTube suffer without them imo
looking at it from a human perspective I'd say a repost is something you yourself would say or vehemently agree with, while a like is something you just like. 🥰
Yeah Im not reposting this but I do agree lol
Yes. I guess. I'm not really onboard with this, although can't really grasp solid arguments.
The marketing would have to be good, because Nostr doesn't have already mentioned reputation, doesn't solve problems of a normie..basically I'm coming to the thought that this thing is basically against onboarding new people.
Why would anyone learn about zap and invest own money into something so wild with small reach? Nostr is already fighting this, letting people think they have to pay (I know, one sat, still you need to have it first) will drive many off.
I know what's good here, but hope you'll get my point. I think Nostr isn't grown up yet.
On the other hand it might be better to do it soon and grow slower than big noisy shift later on.
Also it would be nice to have feature, that zaps 1 immediately. I'm on fruit and zapping everyone for every shit would drive me crazy.
No, you don't need to have it first. You can get zapped but saying good things :)
Not all of us have a billion dollars sir
Yes! I just got here a few days ago. I have but a miniscule number of Sats. Even if I had a whole sackful of Bitcoin though, I can't seem to figure out this wallet situation yet. I can't zap anyone using my clunky current setup.
⚡️ > 🔁 > ❤️
Why I zap when I can on Damus! The best zapping client!
I just put my reputation on the line Fren with the repost of your note…….
But it is merited as I concur…….
I liked your note, but it's ok, because I did so ironically.
I disagree nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m
Reposts extend reach for notes you deem important enough to show up on your timeline.
Zaps are an acknowledgement of value recieved. It's v4v but it's only a numerical transaction.
Likes on nostr can show emotion and tell a story because we can pick the emojis. I'm intentional with my likes.
What if the post doesn't really give me any value but I still like it? I mean come on y'all.. I can like something but not feel I have to pay for it.
I love that this has over 1400 likes. 🤔
I enjoy recieving emojis in exchange for shitposts.
Don't tread on me sir.
And time.
No more likes. I only zap now. If I can’t even zap one skinny sat, do I even really like it. I think not.
Stay humble and zap sats!!
There is nothing wrong with algorithms choosing the content you see, if you are allowed to choose the algorithm or define the algorithm by your self.
