Well for creatives and activists I think #value4value and censorship resistance is very attractive and important- I onboard a lot of people currently. nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg seems to be the easiest way with less tech literate people.

Amen. nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft and I talked about this exact point: most people don’t give a shit about “FREE SPEECH” and “CENSORSHIP RESISTANCE.”

They will go where the people they want to see are. Pablo made the point that the best thing we can do to #grownostr is focus on bringing the *productive* people over here, as their followers naturally follow. And we have a clear historical precedence for this, i.e. you and nostr:npub1sn0wdenkukak0d9dfczzeacvhkrgz92ak56egt7vdgzn8pv2wfqqhrjdv9 both causing the biggest single day influxes of new users.

https://youtu.be/gG92XFg5Q48

a good investor-like take from jack about the reality of nostr

nostr needs a feature or experience that's unique and sets it apart. i think that is the ecosystem of microapps over the long term...but it's definitely not in the short term. and that might be ok.

just wanted to share that because it needs to be emphasized that nostr is a long game bet

he also is pretty lucid about the reality of lightning - still not ready for mass adoption, is not the payment layer for bitcoin, really, too brittle, uses too much on-chain data

i mean, don't get me wrong, i use lightning pretty much on a daily basis and for real business once a week or so

but it won't cope with a billion users

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Killer feature

The killer feature is kindness. Nostr makes having respectful conversations better. If that stops happening, there’s less of a reason to use it.

これも後で読む

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I have tried to learn programming and am terrible (first tried in basic on a ZX spectrum, last tried PHP and C++ - not for lack of trying). I have however started a tech start up with a programmer who brought my ideas to life. I’ve been using nostr for over a year and although I admit have been a little to distracted to truly deep dive, I find the protocol elements are a little obscure in their function and somewhat esoteric to me.

Is there not a possibility that finding good communicators to explain how the various elements work and the method of use may inspire more creative people who don’t code to find more applications that could drive further adoption?

If I have just missed a lot of well explained information on that, I’d greatly appreciate some links.

The killer feature is Dan 😂😂

My guess is that as bitcoin becomes more and more popular, Nostr will grow as a result. People will want bitcoin. On Nostr you can get bitcoin for writing notes. It's an easy sell.

At the same time, the idea of micro-apps also has potential, but I think all (or most) of them need to be integrated into one client. But maybe I'm wrong.

Something should be said for content creators bringing their audience with them. As creators one by one bump up against social guideline boundaries, they try out Nostr and other decentralized social apps. That is one element pushing on the flywheel.

Most people I know have never even heard of NOSTR - another issue

MAKE IT ONLYDANS

Freedom from flame war inciting algos, not freely giving away my advertising information, having control of my feed, freedom from censorship and increased likelihood of encountering other freedom tech lovers are the features that made me even come back to any form of social media when I first heard about Nostr. Got rid of Facebook and all other mental illness inducing apps in 2005. Best decision I ever made. All that, plus zaps? It’s awesome. But maybe not enough for the selfie generation.

Jack you do realize that there are in fact nostr users who do not use any other platforms?

Nostr doesn’t need features to bring users. It needs to be put out front for everyone to see.

There is a way to hurry this process along, but it would entail the cultural death of tradition authentication, a campaign to educate and highlight the power of key pairs, and a smoother key creation process and streamlined key management.

The true victory is the death and dismemberment of the traditional username/password/email/2fA.

It is antiquated, and decrepit.

When we find a way to destroy it and rebuild the auth process based off key pairs, in the minds of the average everyday user, we will enter the second era of social media, governed by the power of free speech, administrated by no one.

A market place of Value, a fantastic ecosystem where products offer meaningful solutions, as is intended for bitcoin. And as social as we are naturally, this combination of Social Media, Marketplace and Energy can be put into a meta world, this man nostr:npub1arkn0xxxll4llgy9qxkrncn3vc4l69s0dz8ef3zadykcwe7ax3dqrrh43w for sure has a better understanding of this.

Is it actually rare that people fully switch from twitter to nostr? I deleted all my social media accounts and then joined nostr. Fuck Twitter/X (no offense Jack).

Since Elon is looking to build and to make X The close source all-in app, #Nostr clients and Dev should try to collaborate more in order to let #theNostr become the ALL-IN PROTOCOL.

the nip07 and the possibility to access any app and verify the npub identity can become that feature.

In the future we should find nostr email, nostr whatsapp, nostr linkedin, nostr ebay, nostr netflix, nostr market, nostr exchanges etc etc.. and all connected with a #bitcoin, #lightning, #ecash, circular economy.

#growNostr

It would be great if Nostr can be the safe place for illustrators to post illustrations with no fear that the works may use for training AI generated images without the creator’s consent.

This may not be the killer feature but it will draw attention from illustrators beside V4V.

You’re missing one feature, #Nostr and #Bitcoin are a free censorship free market, peer to peer. You can exchange goods and services by communicating with each other worldwide and pay (zap) for them without intermediaries.

That said, most people are sheeple and prefer to be governed, so adoption will be slow and driven by the amount of pain the fiat system imposes on them by deteriorating.

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To escape slavery one first must realize they are a slave.

"it had a single point of control/failure"

yep - in the form of a selfish little boy billionaire conformist coward(as opposed to you know, an American, a man, an actual LEADER) willing to cut deals with the devil and be a traitor to his own country's and peoples LAWS and principles - the same ones that made the wealth he amassed possible in the first place. disgusting.

the damage you caused is massive and will not be simply forgotton. its etched eternally, yo.

#therealmcduck

I’ve developed an oddly specific routine, all the more interesting for it being more or less accidental and organic. I post more on twitter, but it is almost exclusively shitposting, because the wider reach frankly just makes it funnier. but I spend considerably more time on nostr (while posting less) because the content is undeniably better. and when I do post here I tend to have a higher standard for myself, lean towards longer form, etc, as I see it more as contributing to discourse than just cracking jokes and trolling people. there’s no conclusion here (from me at least) but interesting to chew on …

A community of like minded people who swap ideas and value is quite a feature IMHO. #nostweird

Independent of a killer app or use (which evolves over time so hard to pin or engineer), #nostr is sticky and that may keep it around for a long time. You can walk away for weeks and not get punished by the algorithm. There’s also no constant barriers of having to resolve bans or sign up again. From a user’s perspective it feels “always there”, not like a message board or social media that come and go or change their rules substantially every couple of years. It has the technical framework of durability, so if I was building something I’d have to at least give it a good try here.

Problems others speak of we might consider solving

1. Enshittification of the internet- content quality is bad and getting worse.

2. Monetisation- most people on apps consistently hope to become influencers-we have a payments platform but no cashflow stream or products- thus we are not a marketplace the way tiktok right now

People are attractive to tiktok content production for the same reasons some people buy "crypto"- except they want fame and money

As above, so below. Microapps randomly patched together are nice but what is the opposite of the that, the largest possible digital manifestation: a Nostr Operating System, a Linux distro, microapps already integrated, syncing all user content in the background to the network, like ChromeOS with Google Drive. NostrOS would turn the laptop into a relay, transmitting & backing up the encrypted content of OTHER users.

1) Fresh laptop with NostrOS in front of you

2) Identify yourself with nsec, it syncs

3) Ready to go just like the laptop you left at home

Bitcoin seed: your money in your head

Nsec: your data in your head

Give & Take in equilibrium, allocate 100GB of internal drive to the network, store 100GB in the network. Or compensate others with bitcoin. We have ata access reliability through paid subs already. Limits can be imposed, 100GB storage etc pp..

TWTR gained all that network effect from massive advertising and celebrity draw. NOSTR has no CEO, might take a much longer time to achieve the same

I think if people can make it… artists getting value for value. Releasing their own work and having enough of a fan base to cover them. That would be a huge story for people to flock to

This is my idealized use case, but it’s a chicken or egg situation

For me #Bitcoin is digital money that I can use to pay my mother nursing home, I think any social network has its pros and cons, I try to use all of them to get visibility with this. But apart of that I love nostr, and all the bitcoin ecosystem, and I try to learn as much as I can.

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Every time I try to get friends interested in nostr the past year, they are like: “oh no, not another thing” People have social media fatigue.

The awesome thing about nostr is NO ADS! But, I realize that no ads means developers are making a living the same way that a developer from X or FB could make. Unfortunately, that means progress might be a little slower. I still use FB for a few reasons (hoping to eventually drop FB for good soon).

1. FB Marketplace - I hate the ads and scammers, but I enjoy looking at local things for sale, and this is the place to find them. Hopefully nostr will solve this.

2. FB Business Page - I own a small cellphone store and this is where my customers can connect with me.

3. It's where all my "friends" are! (ugh, I hate that phrase, but it's true. Although, I'm starting to not care so much)

I look forward to the future of NOSTR! I believe we just have to keep pushing onward!

The 3rd party services were part of the early Twitter success when the API was open and it was an open field for innovation and experimentation providing utiilty and value for end users.

Nostr has the openness but the hurdle to start development is pretty high at the moment. There are plenty of nips and existing repos but the documentation and getting started easiness is not there. For existing devs who been around the knowledge is implicit. Thats not the case for newcomers, and it’s rarely made explicit.

The dev friendliness is not in the level where the libraries and tools are supporting newbies to experiment and test quickly.

For example, comparing how quickly you can do stuff to ATProto is one reference point: https://skyware.js.org/guides/bot/introduction/getting-started/

Some of the (obvious) issues are:

- easy authentication on multitude of devices (especially on Mobile; again here ATProto has a pretty nice app password solution)

- media storage

- the ecosystem costs issue (who pays for relays, storage etc)

There are a lot of individiual projects but when you look across categories and across the user value chain (starting from the client, moderation tools, content sources (algos), relays, storage etc.) the integration is not smooth.

What made me shift to nostr almost completely are:

- Crazy amount of irrelevant ugly blinking ads.

- Algorithms that make you invisible, you're basically talking to yourself. I can do this in my head, why bother typing.

- I like to use the word FUCK or CUNT when I deem appropriate. Twitter throws you to abyss of isolation for that.

Apart from those, Twitter will be missed. Not for long I hope.

🤙🫡

Exciting!! 🔍

"I'm just here so I won't get fined" - Marshawn Lynch

I don’t know shit about fuck, but all I want in my life is to have ONE decentralized social media platform to go to for everything (conversations, posts from people I follow, videos, pics, etc). I am probably one of the few who has deleted everything (except LinkedIn which I use for business) and only use Nostr, but I miss what I got from those other platforms.

Exclusivity works. Need more artists sharing their magic #ExclusivelyOnNOSTR

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Lightning is a shitcoin.

The "killer" feature will be death by a thousand cuts (powered by the portable social graph) and definitely not in the short term.

But open protocols attract talent so who knows, maybe we do find the magic bullet

There exists a place for humans to connect without algorithmic intervention or interference on Nostr. That potential for gaining a real space where people can talk freely that can’t be toggled on (featured traffic for certain narratives) or off (shadow banned and deranked) is going to be an expanding feature as censorship continues to rise through the other legacy social media platforms.

Sure the reach takes longer and is harder to gain but it’s more authentic and the community is real.

chinese want https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_envelope

Music will lead the Nostr Ecosystem. (Free Speech / Free Music) for everyone and anyone. Value 4 Value. Like a busker on the streets.

My thesis is IRL communities. In other words, "users with users". But that has its own challenges.

Napster 3.0

I really believe that one of the killer apps will be events, from large to small. One of the apps built right at the launch of Facebook was "check-ins", where people could check into a location to say "I'm here" and then leave a review. Bringing all of the core functionalities of social networking to play is going to be important.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Z6WhALavOFZGBxAZe38jMMpLjmkRhUF3P-ZpApfHP5g/edit?usp=sharing

did snowden ever tell you why he stopped using nostr and went back twitter? he even deleted his nostr npub on his twitter profile

Maybe *free* art (music, movies, etc) is the killer. People donate to the artists.

Cater to the Reclaimers and the masses will follow.

They may care more when they touch it.

I agree. I think micro apps could be a killer feature of nostr. That’s what I’m doing with Seer. (Nip-29 chat client). It’s not going to try and do everything. The goal is to focus and do one thing really well.

I think the accessibility of it all is one of the bigger hurdles. It could have the best killer feature out there, but people are creatures of habit and familiarity, and the fear of taking a risk on the unfamiliar will almost always trump the payoff one might get from doing so.

one of the Nostr killer features is simping for Jack. we need to attract more fun people who are genuinely passionate about future of freedom of speech and understand that simple, decentralized private/public keypair protocol is the only possible future of social media. they need to exclusively use Nostr to bring on their audiences. the fan bases interacting will produce unique moments and create critical mass for network effect.

I go to twitter for news, lists, on the ground real news, I am very selective on what I am seeking. And with hundreds of millions of people there, I find the best news and information. Not MSM. Watching the world destroying itself because of ‘elitists and their governments in which they control’.

I do not post on twitter as that has burned me many times before.

Returning to Nostr for no fear of being controlled- And I post here whatever I want. I love freedom and self sovereignty. I like monero because it is more private. (bitcoin maxis attack me often when I mention this, but fuck em).

Privacy and self sovereignty, no controlling me is what I seek.

Killer feature: bounties

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People don’t care about freedom until it really hits them that it’s being taken away. So maybe the answer is to target users in places where this is more clear, like Brazil or Scotland these days

jack, do you think nostr is a failure if they don't find a killer product in a few years? How long can you stand it?

they're yelling Freedom from their mind cage.

nostrutube

NOSTR as it looks like today is the foundation for the next killer app. Whatever the next major app/feature/service/product is it will leverage the old system into this new system. That is the common thread between successful network effects in their early days.

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note2bm why #nostr

#nostr is a protocol, protocols do not have killer features, but some platforms built upon protocols do have killer features.

Google's killer feature was search, it used http as a protocol to create its platform which contained its killer feature.

I think nostr as a protocol is safe, the ecosystems many are building on top of it are fascinating. But we are still very early.

Relax, it's happening slowly, then suddenly.

Nostr's killer feature is cool people use it .. exclusively ... Not because they have to ..it is because the idea is so good that other platforms just don't cut it anymore .. you won't swim in your village pond once you surfed the waves of Pacific .. may be some will . .but nostriches don't want to lure in random crowds ..

Ironically, the answer is 42. NIP42 is the killer feature. Think about it. If it was easier for small devs to verify users via NIP42, that could lead to so many cool new projects. Currently its hard to implement for small devs like me. I want to use it but struggle alot. If it would be easy to use, it could open so many doors. Think about it!

#nostr is like good diet or exercise, we know it’s good for us but we won’t always do it

> there is nothing that people want to run to nostr for yet. zaps were promising, but bitcoin is still a hurdle (one that primal is doing the best at overcoming), and it's doubtful lightning could scale to a massive adoption moment.

Anon zaps :monero: are what would make people run to nostr for payments/donations. It is easy to use, self-sovereign and untraceable. Real digital money.

> all this to say, we're not doomed. but what we think is the killer feature isn't right now. who's going to discover the one that is?

Nostr needs killer apps not a killer features. Nostr apps and web apps got more and more bloated with time instead of simpler and more optimized for simple use cases

Jack, is it apparent to you what the major impediments to Lightning’s success are, and what’s needed to improve and accelerate it?

On nostr i get true attention (sats=energy =attention) for my art, experience or opinion. One zap at a time, not by trying to convert my reach/subscribers/likes to dollars. This happens to all of us, even accidentally, not planned.

The rest is patience

I thought the killer feature was obvious...

I don't need to have 100 accounts and tell people to follow me on each one, I'd just "Follow me on Nostr" and they'd see whatever content I publish on any nostr client that replaces any of the traditional apps/services.

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people like Jay Z are here ( if Jay Z is really here ) to recreate Black Twitter thats not owned by a white man. nostr

wont win until relays evolve into more comprehensive software that can build communities better than activitypub or the corporate platforms. i wish there was more support for baby web developers like me to help in this area.

since i been nostr eclusive-ish i've seen so much hateful garbage in the name of "free speech" on here that i sometimes wonder why micro communities would ever migrate to this protocol en masse over something like activitypub. brave spaces and safe spaces must be equally prioritized. nostr needs to create safe spaces for people to be brave and venture out from corporate platforms.

Nostr cannot win because people left twitter, facebook and instagram. ⛔️

Nostr will have won because the new generation never used something else. 💚

Lets not rush things and pretend nature doesn’t grow organically.🌳

Lets ask the kids what they want. 🫡

We, as the olders, are the suppliers to their wishes, but by definition their wishes cannot and will not always make sense to us olders. 😅

Let our work be for them, not for us. 🌀

I am considering very seriously to leave x . it has nothing to do with the environment I grew up ❤️.

I think a great addition would be able to split your feed between shitpost and educational content.

Where the educational content has three buttons: Read, Listen, Watch and if you click one of these buttons, you see all the options.

This would bring more content creators sick of having to share 20 links each time.

You could have a toggle, chronological order (oldest to newest) or the inverse (latest)

I made a quick mockup, check out www.kiwihodl.com - it’s not responsive, because I don’t know if anyone values it yet, but lmk what you think.

#nostr end to end email encryption. At least for all nostr people.

This would make THE WORLD seek us out, so they too would have end to end encyption on #email #encryption

#bitcoin

My answer to Jack for a real super app.

Nostr is currently for hobbyists, like it should be at this stage. No need to rush or critique it.

Like Linux was in the early 1990s, first adopted by a fringe of supercomputer folks and those wanting an alternative to msft, Nostr is today for the bitcoin community and freedom advocates.

Today Linux is everywhere, for example Android.

Point being: we don't need to be disappointed, at all. This isnt a VC backed venture or anything. It will mature and progress on its own pace. And it will grow and succeed. Same as bitcoin.

Closed, local relays with local vendors who sell their ware to users who are also locals for chaumian ecash (stablecoins if one party desires).

Some hurdles like Web of trustscore, deposit or some proof of locality need to be laid down and overcome to join the relay.

Trust, based on web of trustscores or personal relations, can make you pay in advance and/or make the butcher prepare your order in advance for you or another npub designated by you, to pick it up without waiting.

If the butcher makes it work, the baker will be eager to join, as will every waiting customer who sees someone getting served without waiting.

It's not here yet, and it can take some time to develop and catch on but I think something like this could be the killer feature. Amethyst almost supports this (marketplace, cashu) already

it's so over

I have a LinkedIn profile. Otherwise Nostr only.

An easy choice.

It's worth it.

I came here and never touched Twitter again.

Do I miss some of the people there? Yes!

I'm glad nostr:npub1luz2pekdsrq5rv94tqjla5f863fj5mhvmdl8gw3c50pgh705gcysapee93 is active, I loved his tweets. I'd love to see more people outside of Bitcoin on here, Dee Snider would be amazing. But it takes time...

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nsec.app and NIP-07 may not be a killer app but it is definitely a game changer for accessing various nostr-based services on the internet without using email accounts and without exposing one's nsec.

Well said, Jack. This has been part of the conversation for a while and it hasn't been solved yet. We know decentralization and censorship resistance are cool, but the vast majority of the world doesn't care about those things until a loved one or themselves needs it most. Like you said, we need a unique draw, a feature that you can't get anywhere else. Someone needs to think of this and build it. Thanks for bringing this up. Hopefully this gets the creative juices flowing.

This is nuts 🥜

And we want #mainstream #adoption why?

What was then the point of "Keep #nostr #weird?"

#Bitcoin and #Nostr are, like a weirdly, stringy, artificially tanned old lady once said..."The escape pods..."

Nostr, as a escape pod doesn't fit everyone from the mothership. You know what? I'm fine with that!!

Why?

Because it is a matter of wanting to escape. The bright ones will catch to what is good for them. Those who don't deserve to stay where they are. Why? Because they basically are enjoying or getting something out their "mainstream" way of living.

I didn't come to nostr for a #herd mentality.

I'm f*cking tired of that. That's what #fiat is for.

Fine...

I'm getting moody now, and.. no... it is not my time of the month!

content is key, if I can't find what I am looking for on nostr I am going to find it somewhere else.

Content creators need to adopt nostr and zaps aren't doing it at the moment.

Killer app would be the ability to delete posts. Need to get the basics first.

Most people I know are on twitter or facebook.

I ran to nostr to get away from them (and the celebs).

The killer feature here is low entry barrier.

You visit a web client site and youre up and running.

Some of the most intelligent people I know would never bother with the process of registering a facebook account in order to post something on the internet. Nostr appeals to these people who I want to interact with most.

The killer feature is actually not having any other killer features.

Keeping certain types of people away.

I don't hang out with many people who wear brand name T shirts either....

Maybe we need a killer app, but nostr will still grow over time. Society is bifurcating, clown world just needs to keep clown worlding.

Those with sanity will slowly filter in, I think this is probably a low time preference thing

Zaps are the near-term killer feature. Openness is the long-term killer feature.

Let’s not talk about zaps in the past tense. They are absolutely the killer feature that makes everyone’s eyes light up. We need to double down on that. Lightning can scale globally through a combination of custodians and self-custody, which is fine. We are totally in the process of winning here, let’s lean into it.

Creating a better public square, powered by zaps, is the correct opening move. An ecosystem of apps built on the same open network will seal the deal. Nostr will replace the legacy web. Agreed, censorship resistance is important, but it alone won’t bring in the masses. But using the same identity and social connections in an ecosystem of beautifully executed apps that work well together? Everyone will dig that. That’s Nostr’s checkmate move.

IMHO we have a lot of work to do, but everything is moving in the right direction.

nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m can you please give me my first zap? 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

are you building on a real computer with other people? because that is the problem.

this is not minecraft. it is consciousness.

One problem that nostr has yet to solve afaik is to reliably search for a note or profile

Reliably = 100% success rate

Hard to build on top of it if this is not solved

I think the big flux is going to come from something outside of traditional social with more real world ties, some business built around specialized relays with not necessarily a microapp, but a more task specific app that allows for interaction with the microapps, introduces and encourages exploration of all the notes & other stuff. That idea has come up multiple times & it always sounds like a winner. Every time I think about it, I see it being applicable to so many things.

The killer app is owning your identity online

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Atlassian has a issue tracker Same as many competitors. What I think made it so common place was built in customization or tailoring. Flexibility. You could modify each project separately (until the enterprise standards folks got ahold of it) and then the marketplace where you could add extensions. Plugins.

It would be awesome if thre were a base set of features and you could add plugins or flip toggles to activate additional features. Apps could introduce new features. Could keep proprietary. But could also offer as extensible feature to others. Then the user could tailor their experience. Like VS Code you would have joy debates about the best combo experience and packages to use. But most folks would pick an app with the “right mix” of features for them and their friends/interests.

Thoughts?

That sounds like a very accurate state of affairs.

I agree and disagree.

The biggest impediment to Nostr at the moment is the poor quality of clients.

I’ve used most of them to this point and to be very nice - they are in their nascent phase and many are unusable.

Nostr’s method of identity transfer doesn’t interoperate between Web2 and Web3 protocols well.

I’m less worried about this issue because nostr:npub108pv4cg5ag52nq082kd5leu9ffrn2gdg6g4xdwatn73y36uzplmq9uyev6 is working on it and he has a clear understanding of the task at hand.

I don’t think the next killer feature is a predicate for Nostr’s success.

I think it’s a function of interoperability and leveraging existing protocols to transition users in the simplest possible way to the new paradigm that is Nostr.

This is why we’re creating Letr.co

SMTP has provided the most ubiquitous and seamless method of communication since the inception of the internet.

Not only did it initiate many methods of identity management but it also provided a protocol that was for the most part immune to censorship.

Email (SMTP) allowed you to own your audience and move that audience to the best tool that fit your means of distribution.

Most if not all of the preceding comments seem to be core tenets of Nostr.

Own your following, own your content, own value transfer, and distribute information freely.

Last but not least - zaps have a major future.

For that future to exist bitcoin can’t be an investment tool - it must be a means to transfer value (and not to just buy a Lambo).

It needs to be transactional. This is where zaps has a potential leg up.

A sat needs to reflect the value of a penny, dime, quarter, or even a dollar.

Not a moving target that represents fractions of a fairly volatile (no shade bitcoin bros) investment vehicle.

Saying all that - over the next few months our goal with Letr is to attract millions of new users to Nostr by giving them a familiar home.

A place where there isn’t a complex language to interpret in order to use the tool - where we can focus onboarding around the quality of a community and content rather than technology.

I hope I haven’t offended too many with this Nostr rant and I appreciate that I’m a noob but I’m here to help.

⚡️❤️ Billy Boozer

Someone could post the classified documents about the JFK assassination here and it would no longer be censorable, right?

Fwiw I only use nostr - I like the principles and the community, even if my follows/followers are still few

Whatever it is, it'll have to be super compelling or everything will need to go straight to shit. Otherwise, I see slow adoption ahead. And that's okay with me.

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The thing thats nice about Nostr is that there is not much of this fake Politics stuff like Israel-Palestine or Ukraine. But if Nostr ever get main stream this annoying stuff will be here as well. And there needs to be a way to easily block bot accounts.

so I don't pay Twitter $8 a month

I post as much as I I want but nobody sees it

I actually feel like I get seen more here than on Twitter

The more frozen the protocol (unchanging), the better it is to decentralize. GitHub is far more frozen than any social media protocol because it’s literally based atop a protocol itself (git).

Moreover, the target audience for GitHub is coders… people who actually care about security… whereas the target audience for Twitter or TikTok could be anyone.

Bitcoiners and GitHub is the place to start, but I’ve got a few surprises for the GitHub — it’ll be very social… more than GitHub ever was. 🐣🦉

That is why the idea of the whole banking system failing for Bitcoin to win doesn't make sense to me. We need to build stuff that people need, not sit here waiting for the world to collapse.

The open ecosystem of apps interconnected by your social graph, combined with open frictionless payments. Nostr is a creator's dream because of this. It's clunky though. Client and wallet devs ought to be partnering with prolific creators to build apps that will empower them, which will then bring their audiences, and then share revenue from zaps/payments. The openness and globalness and interconnectedness are the killer feature.

True words

Nostr is suffering from low time preference.

Its core principles will help it thrive for generations… something the high time preference of legacy social media will not be around to see.

We are building for our grandkids.

private online markets with untracable payments

and fucking taxes in the ass

why did it take so looooooooooooooong to remove the 140 char limit after sms text support was removed?

Twitter made zero sense to me until 2017, when I finally started buying Bitcoin and felt the need to keep informed about it. Twitter was the place to follow other bitcoiners. And now austrian economy / ancap types, too. I guess that's what forums/reddit used to be about, but i never got into any of that. Nostr today is just a twitter alternative minus the network effect 🤷‍♀️ That decentralized ID just needs more different applications.

do you think social media is potentially a fad? is it generally declining? will it be considered a fad? a mistake?

i remember when it was almost impossible to imagine a 'facebook killer', now I can very easily imagine people turning away completely from social media in the future.

touching grass as a growing mass rebellion political movement?

to quote the graffiti in Dennis Potter's 'Cold Lazarus':

'REALITY OR NOTHING'

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A peer to peer exchange, that is what the zaps are in a way but if it could be bigger than just zaps then it could be very enticing for the younger generation. Sorry if this is impossible or already happening, I am not a developer.

Addiction (as defined by Dr Gabor Mate, below) is a key factor in social media algorithms.. ADDICTION is the ANTITHESIS OF FREEDOM.

While I'm not convinced humans can handle any large scale 'socializing' without negative consequences, I know that #nostr does not provide nearly as strong of a hit. ... AND THATS WHY IM HERE.

imo, for nostr to succeed without an algo pushing the drugs, a better definition of "Success" needs to be formulated.

WHAT DOES NOSTR SUCCESS LOOK LIKE? (honest question, responses appreciated).

in many ways, it already is successful.

but that depends on the problems you're trying to solve.

I'm still very new to this protocol but if Freedom is a part of the definition of success, Addiction needs to be in conscious awareness of every developer.

Pragmatic Analogy:

Some opiate addicts have had success in breaking their addiction to Heroin (twitter) or Oxy (ig) by using another drug, Kratom (nostr). However, many of them end up addicted to Kratom (which isn't nearly as bad, but still pretty fucked up).

Also, I see phrases like "Killer" this and "Killer" that and become concerned that there is no healthy way to achieve whatever goals you have.

maybe we can try to Kill the addictions. but that's a much bigger problem to solve.

(I recommend a journey with grandfather Ibogaine... https://ibeginagain.org/

"Addiction is manifested in any behavior that a person craves, finds temporary relief or pleasure in but suffers negative consequences as a result of, and yet has difficulty giving up. In brief: craving, relief, pleasure, suffering, impaired control."

-Dr Gabor Mate

I think Nostr is like any other healthy habit: you realise when you feel that there is something wrong with the current situation and that it starts to affect you. Then you realise that there is a solution, which requires a bit of persistence, but if you put enough effort into it, your life really improves.

So you are happy, and you want to make the people you care about happy by involving them in Nostr.

> but what we think is the killer feature isn't right now. who's going to discover the one that is?

Robust private and small groups/communities chats

+ E-commerce

+ Photo storage/sharing

I deleted my Twitter to get a better feed that takes less time. I see exactly what I want everyday. Lots of friends don’t see it yet mainly because the people they follow don’t have it setup yet.

People prioritize usability, simple design, and easy onboarding....... however, they often lack understanding of security and privacy issues.

Nostr is too complicated for average users. 👽

We don't need killer feature or killer applications. We need simplicity and great UX. To be honest, we didn't achieveed that in using Bitcoin and still have so many challenges to get.

The integration of the two worlds or protocols is a journey, which we have to go step by step. There is an old saying which states that a journey of 10 000 miles begins with the first step. So let us go this journey, step by step.

I deleted Twitter and #nostr is becoming my main way to share socially and @primal my favorite app. I think things will happen slowly but they will happen. It’s like the iPhone and internet people still don’t know why they need it.

It's the killer feature already, only that we don't have the network effect yet. Wait for heavely censored contries to discover it and that's it. Only that people are still ignorant.

But I'm willing to bet that in 18 months we are close to Twitter, and in 3 years govs will try to regulate relays.

PGP notwithstanding, what other persistent self-sovereign identity scheme exists? Another couple years of manipulation, shadow banning and lack of interoperability and people will grasp the value proposition

Curating news and knowledge is better on Twitter.

Nostr is better for building a braintrust.

Otherwise Nostr content is mostly a bunch of parroting aka circle jerking about how "awesomeness Nostr is".

content is key, but people only flock to a new platform if a new type of content is being shown there. people flocked to TikTok to see short videos, before that to Snapchat to view/share temp stories, before to that Instagram to share pictures with cute filters, and the list goes on. I think we will win if the new type of media consumption gets created here

I was first drawn to twitter as a bridge between sms and the web! I don't know if nostr will ever have a killer app but it can serve lots of small roles. The feature of not having one neck to squeezee/sue makes it special.

Microapps for the win.

One can use nostr for almost what they want, without corporate boundary. The boundary is the user itself.

Seems streamlining of many functions if the holdup IMO. For instance, until I do more research relays are pain in my ass. I added 30, maybe 13 work. My posts dont reach anyone hardly. Most users won't want to learn this. Users don't want to do ANY research. They will just want them to be there when they join, and work, without thinking about it or any management.

It's not the killer app. It's the killer clique of people that others want to join.

Many came because they're @jack groupies.

In other words your clique is no longer cool, and you won't be apart of the clique in the next social network.

There is an ocean of opportunities that can arise from nostr. For example, our bet is on a project that has been in operation since November 2023, it is a system of private contracts, with private arbitrators, using bitcoin as collateral and nostr as the identity of both the parties and the arbitrators!

As I said, the system is already online, some initial contracts have already been signed and nostr fulfilled the role we expected: an online identity that allows a person to do business in a 100% decentralized way. nostr:npub1wsl3695cnz7skvmcfqx980fmrv5ms3tcfyfg52sttvujgxk3r4lqajteft 's merit!

Plebwork would be better as a nostr client, I’d love to see a NIP for job posts. Freaks would complete 30 minutes of freelance work for 10k sats spend 1k on some nostr DVM’s 1k zapping the plebs, and spend the rest of the corn on, 5 minutes of another freaks time.

The “circular economy” will be on nostr. nostr:npub1w69ya7xs697hk3hky3gllryz8rwverfa0ylz89chf9qnhfcskc2s64zltw will bend the knee.

I love when I check my client I can follow back to where I last read if I want. Chronological following is such an underrated feature. I feel like I'm swimming in circles on Twitter. I'll read a tweet from someone 8 hours ago, then another one from a day ago, then another one from half an hour ago. And if I accidentally pull refresh I'll lose a tweet I wanted to read.

Nostr clients all have warts, but they're getting better and better.

I only go to to twitter to look at the trending page and get out.

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seems to be working on to me...

What do you think of Musk's confrontation with the evil Brazilian judge? Musk is willing to quit Twitter from Brazil and will not give in to Brazil's pressure.

Brazil is in the same group with the evil CCP.

Brazil is one of the target countries for money laundering by the evil CCP powerful.

The Brazilian court ruled that Twitter banned certain influential accounts in Brazil and prohibited Twitter from disclosing the details of the order.

Musk posted on the platform that the order may cause Twitter to lose revenue and close its offices in Brazil.

He promised to challenge the court's judgment if possible.

Musk didn't want to shut down Brazilian users, and Twitter was found "crime" by the Brazilian evil judge to shut down Twitter Brazil. This routine is the same as the evil CCP.

Don't stop believing ta na na na na

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GM 🐸🫂💜

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Hope someday we can use Nostr with free (or without) Internet (or even no electricity). So, all people in the world can communicate each other on Nostr easily (though some of them are victims in the war). 🫂

Assume GitHub started to censor. Then nostr immediately won.

Bridges

Let me post here on nostr and see it published on Twitter, Telegram, Facebook, Mastodon or whatever other networks I choose.

When a reply is made at those networks, create a nostr profile for that replier with the same text. This way keep the conversation going.

If the replier eventually wants to take ownership of the automatically generated profile, make it possible for them to have it.

I traded post-Musk Twitter for TikTok for some of the same reasons I was drawn to pre-2017 Twitter in the first place: easy to see what is going on in the world right now (trending), very effective search functionality, able to share even with friends off the platform.

When we can up the searchability and shareability antes then we will increase viral potential and attract more creators and consumers.

I was never on twitter. I was “recruited” here for the decentralized #Bitcoin community. If I have a social media application I prefer the ideologies behind #Nostr.

decentralization is not a feature. it's a workaround captured centralization. bitcoin is also not comfortable. people will use them only when centralization hurts

The feature is twitter/ Facebook censuring people. The next wave of censorship will bring millions here

It needs to be sustainable and for the market to work. Why not have a % of each zap go to the apps used by the two parties?

Jack is the man, but he's only looking at #Nostr as a social media

That's where the problem lies. The nostr:npub18m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsngq955 Productivity Suite will make Nostr a very viable alternative to both Web2 big tech and the Blockchain

It's tunnel vision to think of Nostr as a social media

It should be a Productivity Suite + blog, podcast hosting and distribution, video hosting, newsletters, fundraising, and instant messaging all accessible and integrated with bitcoin/lightning

> The integration of legacy services with self-custody identity and bitcoin wallets will be the game changer

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What is the killer incentive? Making money. Free commerce is the keystone of prosperity. Free global commerce that is also convenient in today’s society requires a decentralized protocol. A decentralized alternative to Amazon should be a priority, in my opinion.

The killer feature of Nostr for normies is being able to absorb all the social medias into one chasm while maintaining a single follower graph & profile.

Even normies will be attracted to having a single list of followers across all apps… I wish the follower count pull was more efficient though. If the outbox model was used for follower counts, it might help a bit.

I *think* the killer feature of #Nostr is self-custody of identity ... which lends to PRIVACY in using a multitude of apps. Plus, people can pay you privately using bitcoin 🤔

Damus Suite of email, drive, calendar, password manager, and notes will be one such use-case

#grownostr

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IRL growth of nostr:npub1h8gzew8am6cezuq7cpjgudldra40hgnruqrqlsrqnxnzs5wjtczqztps02 musician use

Right 🤙

Only reason people come to Nostr is like minded people. Otherwise twitter is just too damn hard to beat. Those who cried like little girls when elon took over returned after a year. So Nostr is good but twitter is where the market is right now. We have to bring them to nostr atleast for coffee and tea if not for long term.

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Masses don't care much about FREE SPEECH, only content creators are worried about it.

Masses use platforms for 3 reasons:

1. To follow controversies

2. To follow a favorite celebrity

3. To connect with like-minded

We can use the ' free speech ' keyword to onboard creators ( controversial creators) but for the masses, we need diverse topics and controversies on #nostr.

As per my experience, the current #nostr is for tech nerds, freedom enthusiasts, and #bitcoin lovers.

I think we need to brainstorm on marketing ways and messaging.

3 questions

1. Why do masses use X or Instagram

2. How masses flock from one platform to another

3. Who drives masses?

4. What topics drive the masses?

I respectfully disagree. Many people might not care about free speech (now). But once truth is harder to find elsewhere more curious seekers will flock to nostr. Many are already here. IMHO we already have the killer feature.

It‘s us :)

A bunch of curious seekers in one place. People building something based on what they feel in their heart. We just need to be patient for others to find us.

Is #nostr User-friendly?

email started among academics and the military, then it became something everyone could use, why?

Cuz it solved one problem.

Connecting with every computer and communication.

What one problem #nostr solve?

Just like Yahoo and Google simplified the process and helped make email mainstream.

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Helpful perspective , must read:

https://medium.com/swlh/what-does-it-take-to-achieve-mass-adoption-3076d57549b1

Bien mi conclusión después de usar 15 años Twitter y 2 años Nostr sin estas:

1- Poca gente hoy en día consume solo txt, y por ello X ahora empezó a impulsar mucho el video post. En Nostr los creadores de contenido en video tienen serias limitaciones en algunos clientes para reproducir clips de gran tamaño y peso. Y considerando que las nuevas generaciones (15-25 años) crecieron con Youtube, Facebook Live, Tiktok, etc., poco atractivo verán Nostr.

2- Muchos aún usamos X como medio de información por que es la plaza pública donde se desarrolla información relevante de lo que sucede en nuestras regiones, Nostr al ser de nicho aún no genera contenido enfocado en comunidades ni países específicos.

3- #Zap y #Bitcoin son extremadamente puntos de inflexión en la forma de retribuir recompensas entre usuarios de #Nostr . Esto sin embargo solo les importa aquellos que están dentro del ecosistema, fuera de esto no es ni lejanamente de interés para ningún usuario común. Más aún con configuraciones de carteras, reles, etc., en este punto nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg está llevando muy fácil a los nuevos usuarios nada expertos o nada interesados en entender los sats y btc.

4- No creo que más características o micro aplicaciones sean necesario para aumentar el interés en nuevos usuarios, creo alguien ya lo mencionó aquí: la forma de atraer nuevos usuarios es lograr que se unan a nostr personalidades influyentes como Tu, gente del espectáculo, deportistas o algún artista. Ellos tienen enorme cantidad de seguidores y créeme si solo unos de ellos mencionará en sus rrss algo sobre Nostr tendríamos una avalancha de usuarios.

Me gusta Nostr y lo recomiendo cada vez que puedo por que creo que tiene un futuro brillante y aún no hemos visto nada.

Gracias por generar este tipo de debates nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m debería hacerse más seguido.

Nostr is good for real world relationships because you see who you follow without getting burried by an algorithm. However, it is very text focused. Facebook grew by using games, then once you had built a network of friends you could see what your friends were posting. This overcame the chicken and egg scenario with building a social network.

A daily challenge game like sukudu or wordle where you can see your friends score would be great. It could be embedded into websites like the NY Times have done to wordle, but because it's nostr the same game could be played on different sites or dedicated apps and you could see the results of all your friends, wherever they played the game. This could easily get a greater network effects than wordle. Every site that's not NY Times has an incentive to get on board to offer something that doesn't take people to their competition.

I think custodial Lightning can scale to a massive adoption moment

The sentiment of needing to differentiate is a critical element of what Nostr needs to succeed. There are lots of problems with existing platforms and therefore lots of opportunities to differentiate and innovate. Talk to people who still use them to find the opportunity spaces.

The community also needs to address two other aspects in order to see widespread adoption.

Based on the conversations two weeks ago there’s still work to do to make Nostr a cool place for everyone to hangout. There are some nascent components for avoiding content one does not want to see, but those still are not enough to protect against harassment primarily experienced by women on this network. If you want a man cave with a side of porn - cool then the status quo works, but if you want to see widespread adoption, then additional NIPs or work on existing NIPs is required to allow people to protect themselves from bad actors.

Bitcoin may be different than the other shitcoins, but the general public sees it all as crypto. If thats the only content they see here - they will pass. That’s why we launched the Creator Residency and Journalism Accelerator. It’s also an opportunity to test micropayments for content creation & journalism as well as a way to reframe Lightning.

A subset of people will also pass if the main selling point is say anything you want. This latter piece is bc most platforms show you content beyond your network today, so the assumption is if Nostr has free speech they will have to see everything. But that is not how it works (except for the aggregation feeds). If the community spends a bit more time talking about choosing your feed and a bit less about free speech - the adoption should shift.

In both instances branding matters, specifically how we talk about what already exists in Nostr. Updating how we talk about Nostr can go a long way to increasing adoption.

The masses are lazy. They’d rather sit tight and hope somebody fixes the problem so they don’t have to deal with the hassle of making the change. Will take time

the killer ( literally ) feature will have to be when somebody from here says they will assassinate a politician, then do it.

if they never get caught that will put NOSTR on the map.

if they get caught then NOSTR is no different from any other site like GAB which will sell you out to the FBI.

we the people!

Sign up is difficult. I had to revive my Twitter account when signing up. Weird process. Should be easier.

So now that a signup is easy (with Primal at least) what’s the incentive for people to signup? I think that being better than Twitter could be enough (in time)

When Apple came up with iPod, there were plenty really good MP3 players out there; then shortly only iPod was left.

Here's the beautiful thing. The market will try all sorts of features. Some will succeed, some will not. But what Nostr doesn't have is some corporate chain of command that innovators have to go through to get their feature approved.

So it should result in weirder and more interesting features and something will stick. Time is on our side.

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Full Power

A worthy challenge!

Logging in to other apps without e-mail. Creating a unique virtual identity to link to several systems.

So $58,819 zaps as I post...that's just shy of $40. Tell me again why zaps (accompanied by worthwhile content) can't be a differentiator?

Brother.

Stressing the system will bring back to quantity over quality. Will cause inflation.

We are to early even to think about mass adoption.

What is your personal success with NOSTR?

We don’t need more BS in this world.

Stay simple. Weird.

No noice. Thank you.

I literally have the best idea for adoption. I gave motley fool the idea for asset management that saved them literally.

Contact me if you actually want to know what could help. It’s about incentives. Zaps is not it. Neither is free speech.

TBH I''m surprised that their is not yet a nostr based shoppinf app good enough.

A competitor to Shopify/Woocommerce/ Amazon, or a new Silk Road with Bitcoin embedded, makes so much sense...

Time

It needs to be cool.

If it’s perceived as cool people will come. Why don’t convince your rapper friends to be on nostr? Why don’t incorporate nostr into Tidal somehow?

Bitcoin is Nostr’s heartbeat. Nostr is unstoppable because it lives on top of bitcoin.

Lightning will work, just not raw, with each user having a node. It will require fedimint.

Having your identity tied to your wallet and being able to move values around, to relay or just zaps is the killer feature.

On it 🫡

nostr markets! p2p trades

is this guy losing his mind? I'm on Nostr because of things I like about Nostr: the people, the protocol, the zaps, the permissionless nature, the promise of building on top of it.

not because of things I hate about twitter.

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The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Maybe that reality is not so far into the future, and we just need more parts to make up the whole.

polls + Hulkamania era WWF gif keyboard. I don’t ask for much 🤙🏽

Zaps. Did anyone in this discussion mentioned Jaron Lanier? He is talking about micropayments since 2010 and has a very good point too. Once Nostr becomes somewhat known and likes of ticktockers will realize that they can post there and earn peanuts of share of value or they van post on Nostr and flock their following here too so they van have the micropayments without the middleman.

The killer feature of #nostr is that it doesn't need to "succeed" in the corporate sense. People looking for free-speech refuge will always be able to find it, even if it's only a very small ratio.

is there a Nostr marketplace like Shopify etc ?

The West is sleepwalking to the East.

Only when it is (hopefully not) too late, will the masses care about Free Speech.

Other Stuff Optimist

The problem is intellectual laziness. Over the years, most social media apps were designed to keep users doing intellectually "easy" tasks. Eventually, they develop short attention span. That is why most people find Bitcoin and Nostr difficult to understand and use. If an app is good like Nostr, even though not "easy", they won't use it because their brains have been programmed to do "easy" tasks

For me, knowing that I cannot be cancelled is the key

Deep down I know that any attention I give the status quo platforms is a waste & therefore as risky as it might seem to leave behind an “audience”, long-term Nostr is the right call

It’s a good test in delayed gratification & low time preference thinking

You’re such an eloquent writer and orator. I find this note to be sincere & beautifully written. I agree with everything expressed here.❤️

Lyn Alden hit the nail on the head. Nostr needs time. And patience. 🕰️💜

Freedom is subjective to me so I tend to back away from that kind of ideology. What is free for one can be a form of subjection to another. The concept of “freedom”and what it is to be “truly free” especially within the framework of social media is a bit a fallacy for me.

Also, the concept of centralization is mostly demonized here and for good reason but I am not entirely against it. In many instances, it’s just common sense.

And then, there is a steep learning curve to navigating nostr that we can’t overlook.

I love Twitter so much. I think it’s perfect sans the forced and extremely bizarre algorithms and super creepy moderation.

I visualize Nostr as its own ecosystem, more or less, this massive cluster of cute shiny little goldfish consisting of clients and micro apps or what have you in unison - coexisting with or even taking down the big fish.

Keep building and creating and have fun - the journey is the destination until it isn’t. Nostr will continue to grow and evolve into what it’s meant to be. 🐠🌎☀️🌬️🌹🍃✨💋🦁❤️‍🔥

Honestly, you are so good for this space. The entire space continually benefits from your countless contributions and dedication on a global scale, most of which is under appreciated, only because it is impossible to quantify it all. 🇧🇷☀️🌬️🌹🍃✨💋🦁🫂❤️

https://brazilian.report/liveblog/web-summit-rio/2024/04/16/tbd-jack-dorsey-latin-america/amp/

One straightforward move here is to take what’s working on Farcaster and reimplement it for the Bitcoin/nostr community.

Could start with cast actions and frames. They are an open spec and transfer really well to nostr, and empower a ton of non-fulltime devs to innovate towards truly unique experiences here

Yes it’s still copying but it’s copying a useful primitive that enables innovation at a higher level

3D

Nothing that people wanna run to nostr for yet….

I call Bull shit

I am people

And I wanted to run to nostr right after first hearing about it a year ago

I quit Twitter cold turkey and fb and all of them instantly just said fuck em

The same way I said fuck dollars as soon as I discovered sats

So I call BS on that statement jack

A means for the user to directly influence and control their own algorithm would be a game changing feature. Perhaps this could be implemented within clients and verified at some level (to ensure no manipulation by third parties).

Given current platforms have an overarching business interest in maximising their revenue, it's difficult to see them offering users algorithmic control over content curation. As we've seen over the last few years, centralised platforms are easily pressured into censoring content. User controlled algorithms (with verification features) would be directly at odds with their current models.

Tell you what, I can’t hardly stand to be advertised to on any other platform. Primal is easy, clean and fun. The stream of consciousness of it is great fun.

Tidal music integration!

The ability to find people and organizations and tags is severely wanting on nostr. The use of long numerical public keys as identifiers is also a hindrance for user interface. In many instances, they cannot be easily copied and pasted from other apps or communicated to others. Why can’t I use nostr to easily discover local marketplaces or sellers or like minded groups? We need discovery tools.

Surely it want be that killer app feature, but in my opinion, I think it would be nice to add a feature that you can filter and sort global content by the

amount of sats which were given as a value 4 value.

So good content could spread even better.

Imagine one day nostr could be used for a political surveys.

#grownostr #plebchain #Nostr #asknostr

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We don’t have it yet but it will come. Protocols stay, apps come and go. We’re building for the long term.

You are right. Nostr needs an innovative breakthrough - a feature or a unique experience that sets it apart. And the dev who can innovate this will have a huge first mover advantage.

The killer app is letting influencers own their audience. Bring them and their audience will follow.

Not every human is a Twitter some of us are not running from Twitter because we had Twitter like that

Nostr is more like Microsoft 365 than like Twitter. It's very broad and has many different potential use cases and can be used to tie other systems together through a communication layer.

"Slow and Steady"

As long as the Devs keep building

Nostr's time will come

The marketplace is the feature. All other marketplaces don't have the ability to combine payment and reviews in a peer to peer way. Amazon reviews are full of dog shit and you have to jump through hoops to get access all to get your product stolen by Amazon.

If we can have a marketplace where is can sell farm goods directly to npub, the shipping info sent (gift wrap dms?) so that delivery confirmation is part of the review and then allow folks to review reviewers so the web of trust for a person's reviews has more information.

I come to #nostr for the note signature verifications, not to run away from twitter. The proof is: I still use Twitter.

Anyone else just here for the cryptographic assurances?

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#WoT will provide better content curation.